Isn't the eternal act of God necessary?

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ChainBreaker said:
I have 3 modes of expression
  1. Sad mode.
  2. King of philosophy mode.
  3. I’m being ignored so I’m going to act strange and pretend to be a forum administrator mode.
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No need to be sad.

Take that suffering and make it yours just like many Catholic Saints did and do.
Suffer and gloat about it.
Make it sound as if you were the only person who ever suffered.
 
StrawberryJam said:
No need to be sad.

Take that suffering and make it yours just like many Catholic Saints did and do.
Suffer and gloat about it.
Make it sound as if you were the only person who ever suffered.
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I’m only 9 years old thats not something to tell a child. 😦
 
while in despair of the inevitable fact that one day he will grow a beard…
 
Being nine years old and being on this forum makes you special in what way?
Apparently not special in answering direct questions.
 
ChainBreaker said:
What does the word special mean? I am not that advanced!
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I’m fairly certain you wished for all of us to treat you differently after you announced your age.
You claimed to be nine years old, and this brings upon us an ethical dilemma. As well as your parent/guardians.Ouch, evem forum rules.
 
StrawberryJam said:
No need to be sad.

Take that suffering and make it yours just like many Catholic Saints did and do.
Suffer and gloat about it.
Make it sound as if you were the only person who ever suffered.
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If only you could have gotten to know spiritualunity.
 
blase6 said:
If we examine what we are told about God, or perceive through reason:
  1. The nature of God is to be infinitely loving.
  2. Infinite love can only be recognized in infinitely good creation. Infinite love would require that the best possible created world would exist.
  3. Therefore God is bound to create the world by his infinitely loving nature.
  4. Creation in its current state exists necessarily.
This of course creates problems with the teaching that God has free will, and the problem of evil. Clearly the world is imperfect. But maybe that is the best possible world for God to create. Would that mean that God is imperfect?
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The problem is with point #2, I think.

An infinitely good creation is impossible, because creation necessarily entails the actuation of a potency (otherwise it would not be distinct from God).

Infinite love can be fulfilled, however, in the eternal processions of the Holy Trinity. (I realize that this is theology rather than philosophy; from a philosophical point of view, it is sufficient to know that God has the capacity to find satisfaction by loving Himself in a way that is not selfish. How that works is a mystery, until the mystery is cleared up by the revelation of the Holy Trinity.)

So God does not need to create us. In fact, creation does not even affect Him in any way.

(The position you exposed here is essentially that of Plotinus.)
 
blase6 said:
If we examine what we are told about God, or perceive through reason:
  1. The nature of God is to be infinitely loving.
  2. Infinite love can only be recognized in infinitely good creation. Infinite love would require that the best possible created world would exist.
  3. Therefore God is bound to create the world by his infinitely loving nature.
  4. Creation in its current state exists necessarily.
This of course creates problems with the teaching that God has free will, and the problem of evil. Clearly the world is imperfect. But maybe that is the best possible world for God to create. Would that mean that God is imperfect?
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Change is the result of tendency toward an end, perfection is the end hence nothing comes out of perfection since this requires a change. The concept of perfect love is an delusion.
 
Bahman said:
Change is the result of tendency toward an end, perfection is the end hence nothing comes out of perfection since this requires a change. The concept of perfect love is an delusion.
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With God, Perfection is the Beginning and the end, is it not?
He knew you before you were made,
where is the change in the relationship between Him and you?
where is the change in His Perfect love for who He knew you to be?
The delusion only belongs to those who can not grasp the concept, does it not?

:tiphat:
 
Purgatory_Pete said:
With God, Perfection is the Beginning and the end, is it not?
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Perfection is the end and it is exhaustive meaning that nothing is left. I do exist and I am not nothing. Hence, perfect God does not exist if we accept that there is a creation.
Purgatory_Pete said:
He knew you before you were made,
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Nonsense. Please read this.
Purgatory_Pete said:
where is the change in the relationship between Him and you?
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There is nothing such as eternal love. Please read the first comment.
Purgatory_Pete said:
where is the change in His Perfect love for who He knew you to be?
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There is nothing such as perfection since we experience changes.
Purgatory_Pete said:
The delusion only belongs to those who can not grasp the concept, does it not?
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I agree. Hence what you said applies to you. :bounce:
 
Bahman said:
Perfection is the end and it is exhaustive meaning that nothing is left. I do exist and I am not nothing. Hence, perfect God does not exist if we accept that there is a creation.

Nonsense. Please read this.

There is nothing such as eternal love. Please read the first comment.

There is nothing such as perfection since we experience changes.

I agree. Hence what you said applies to you. :bounce:
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But if you believe what you state here then your own thoughts are imperfect,
and since you are admitting that your thoughts are imperfect then your delusion
about a Perfect God that does not exist according to your ever changing mind,
renders God’s perfect existence valid and true.

I read the link you sent me to and your right it is nonsense.:bounce:

Last post for me tonight (It’s after 1 am here).
Goodnight.:tiphat:
 
Purgatory_Pete said:
But if you believe what you state here then your own thoughts are imperfect,
and since you are admitting that your thoughts are imperfect then your delusion
about a Perfect God that does not exist according to your ever changing mind,
renders God’s perfect existence valid and true.

I read the link you sent me to and your right it is nonsense.:bounce:

Last post for me tonight (It’s after 1 am here).
Goodnight.:tiphat:
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No. What I said is not exhaustive but true.
 
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