Israeli police discover Hebrew graffiti on walls of famous Jerusalem church

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JERUSALEM (AP) — Israeli police discovered Hebrew graffiti Sunday on the walls of a famous Jerusalem church, in what appears to be the latest vandalism attack by extremist Jews.

Police spokeswoman Luba Samri said anti-Christian slogans were found on the outer walls of the Dormition Abbey, a Benedictine monastery located just outside Jerusalem’s Old City and where Christian tradition says the Virgin Mary died.

The graffiti included threats of violence, messages degrading Jesus and a call for Christians to “go to hell.”

Nikodemus Schnabel, the Dormition Abbey spokesman, said the graffiti bore “very radical messages.”

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I’m sure our more enlightened and liberal Jewish friends have condemned this in the strongest terms possible.

Fundamentalism is a disease afflicting the body and soul of all. Unfortunately, Orthodox Judaism often furthers misogyny, xenophobia, hatred of non-Jews, and obscurantism. There is an effort, though, to affirm progressive values in that community, and those voices should be supported.
 
You are so off base and out of line with your comments, a typical smug 'progressive’acting as if you know anything about orthodox Jews. You present a dichotomy: there is the extremist fringe on one side and those pushing your vaunted progressive values on the other. In fact, we honor our timeless Jewish values, which are contradicted by this vandalism.
This act was committed by an extreme fringe group that doesn’t represent 99.9% of religious Jews. Their act was criminal and reprehensible. What on earth that has to do with our alleged (false) misogyny and other evils, I have no idea.
 
You are so off base and out of line with your comments, a typical smug 'progressive’acting as if you know anything about orthodox Jews. You present a dichotomy: there is the extremist fringe on one side and those pushing your vaunted progressive values on the other. In fact, we honor our timeless Jewish values, which are contradicted by this vandalism.
This act was committed by an extreme fringe group that doesn’t represent 99.9% of religious Jews. Their act was criminal and reprehensible. What on earth that has to do with our alleged (false) misogyny and other evils, I have no idea.
I live in NYC and know about the fraud, the attitudes towards the goyim that come from Maharal and Tanya, the way a woman becomes an agunah, the way the Rabbanut controls giyur, and I know that many poskim among the Haredim consider Christians ovdei avodah zarah.
 
I live in NYC and know about the fraud, the attitudes towards the goyim that come from Maharal and Tanya, the way a woman becomes an agunah, the way the Rabbanut controls giyur, and I know that many poskim among the Haredim consider Christians ovdei avodah zarah.
Being from NYC doesn’t tell me that you actually know more about us, just that you might be more exposed to infamous anti-orthodox outlets like the New York Times and other prejudiced media. If you have had personal bad experiences with religious Jews then I regret that and am very sorry to hear it.

Let’s make an educated guess that there are half a million orthodox Jews in the NY metro area. It might well be more. In a community of 500,000, do you think that there are no people who commit fraud and other crimes? It is sad to me, because these people are going against the teachings of our Torah. Nevertheless, it happens. It is exacerbated for two reasons. Since we dress distinctively, an “orthodox” criminal always attracts more media attention. Second, the media has the habit of calling everyone “rabbis”. In the popular mind, this evokes images of someone who stands up at a pulpit in a synagogue every Sabbath and leads his congregation. In reality, it very often means someone who studied in yeshiva as a youngster, earned some rabbinical ordination in his early 20s, went into business and became a “regular guy,” perhaps respected in his community and perhaps not so much, and now 30 years later he’s nabbed on tax evasion. Some rabbi! Other times it’s totally made up. Either way, it’s not excusable, of course. But to take this as representative… is laughable. It’s like me saying to a “progressive”: Don’t tell me blacks are not criminals. I live in NYC. Look at all the murders and robberies!
If someone said that he would be rightly censured. When it comes to Jews, somehow it’s ok.

You say you know “all about” the attitudes to non-Jews conveyed by the Maharal and Baal haTanya. It is hard to convey to an “outsider” how silly this point is. First of all, the Tanya is learned only by the Lubavitcher sect of Hasidim. Literally almost no one else opens it up. Secondly, that book of very, very minimal importance in the wider orthodox world is literally the most extreme source that anyone could come up with. I don’t agree with that and it’s not supported by classical Jewish literature in my opinion. This book dates from the late 1700s, not ancient times. IT was also written in a time of intense persecution against Jews. So to say that this is inciting hatred of non-Jews and xenophobia is laughable. (BTW even the Lubavitchers have darn good relations with non-Jews, so go figure.) The Maharal has been simply misunderstood, but that’s another long post. And while he is very respected, to be fair his books are also not integral to Jewish life and practice. They are Jewish philosophical books and most yeshiva students don’t read them.

I literally don’t have time to finish this post but there’s so much more to say. You are being very fancy using Hebrew terms like “ovdei avoda zara”. That simply translates to “practitioners of foreign worship” i.e. idol worship. Some Jews think Christianity is idol worship and some don’t. Some Protestants think Catholicism is idol worship too! How does that validate your point? I have not heard from my rabbi or in my studies of any obligation to hate idol worshippers, even if I considered Christians idolaters. I’ll continue this later…
 
Orthodox Jews for the most part are not universalists. They emphasize particularism. The talmud enacted scores of laws which favor Jews over non Jews. And the Kuzari, Tanya, maharal, etc. are taught in right wing dati leumi yeshivas. The dovish tendencies of Rav Amital or Rav Aharon Lichtenstein seem to be an afterthought.,
 
Yeah, we’re particularists. The Bible says that God chose us from among the nations. Go complain to God.

However, I will cite to you the words of the godfather of Religious Zionists (Dati Leumi) - Rav Kook:
“The righteous man must fill his heart with love and nurture within himself a love for everyone. … This aspect of love, to see the world with a sympathetic eye, is a trait which the people of Israel inherited from our forefather Abraham. Understandably, loving all people is not simple to practice. True love, Rav Kook taught, demanded diligent work, years of study and deep inquiry into the most exalted reaches of Divine Providence in the world. Rav Tzvi Yehuda (Rav Kook’s son) explained that one who truly loves the Creator, loves the creation which He created. Included is the love of all people…independent of their connection to the Jewish People.”

People overlook that we’re basically the only religion that says, you don’t have to become one of us, just be a good, moral, person, believe in God, and you can be considered righteous and merit a heavenly reward. Let me repeat that. “Goyim can go to heaven.” Every Jew no matter how orthodox would say that. How many Christian groups deny us heaven categorically?
 
Yeah, we’re particularists. The Bible says that God chose us from among the nations. Go complain to God.

However, I will cite to you the words of the godfather of Religious Zionists (Dati Leumi) - Rav Kook:
“The righteous man must fill his heart with love and nurture within himself a love for everyone. … This aspect of love, to see the world with a sympathetic eye, is a trait which the people of Israel inherited from our forefather Abraham. Understandably, loving all people is not simple to practice. True love, Rav Kook taught, demanded diligent work, years of study and deep inquiry into the most exalted reaches of Divine Providence in the world. Rav Tzvi Yehuda (Rav Kook’s son) explained that one who truly loves the Creator, loves the creation which He created. Included is the love of all people…independent of their connection to the Jewish People.”

People overlook that we’re basically the only religion that says, you don’t have to become one of us, just be a good, moral, person, believe in God, and you can be considered righteous and merit a heavenly reward. Let me repeat that. “Goyim can go to heaven.” Every Jew no matter how orthodox would say that. How many Christian groups deny us heaven categorically?
What are you so mad about Mr. Moses613?:confused:
 
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