Really? Can you give concrete examples of this historical, long established view of ‘personhood’ where some human beings have it and others haven’t?
Ummm, no they don’t. In Canada you can get one in any trimester.
I didn’t say that abortions were illegal. Read what I write and respond to what I write, please. I said their laws are more restrictive than ours, not that they ban abortions.HopkinsReb:
Ummm, no they don’t. In Canada you can get one in any trimester.
Abortion-on-demand is the norm for countries where you expect paved roads, decent healthcare, and electric lights that don’t occasionally brown out.
Now, they may very likely have lower abortion rates, but that’s because they do more for pregnant women. Not because it’s illegal. It’s not.
Ok, so you said “All”. It’s immediately broken by Canada’s abortion laws which allow them at any time.Vonsalza:
I didn’t say that abortions were illegal. Read what I write and respond to what I write, please. I said their laws are more restrictive than ours, not that they ban abortions.HopkinsReb:
Ummm, no they don’t. In Canada you can get one in any trimester.
Abortion-on-demand is the norm for countries where you expect paved roads, decent healthcare, and electric lights that don’t occasionally brown out.
Now, they may very likely have lower abortion rates, but that’s because they do more for pregnant women. Not because it’s illegal. It’s not.
Again, I did not say that they ban it. And I did not say that they restrict it to certain trimesters. I said that their abortion laws are more restrictive than ours.HopkinsReb:
Ok, so you said “All”. It’s immediately broken by Canada’s abortion laws which allow them at any time.Vonsalza:
I didn’t say that abortions were illegal. Read what I write and respond to what I write, please. I said their laws are more restrictive than ours, not that they ban abortions.HopkinsReb:
Ummm, no they don’t. In Canada you can get one in any trimester.
Abortion-on-demand is the norm for countries where you expect paved roads, decent healthcare, and electric lights that don’t occasionally brown out.
Now, they may very likely have lower abortion rates, but that’s because they do more for pregnant women. Not because it’s illegal. It’s not.
Your only recourse at this point is to argue that Canada doesn’t count as a “developed country”. Good luck. And I’m positive there are others, but I’m more familiar with Canada. A work-friend of mine, tragically, went to Canada to have one when a profound disability was detected late in the pregnancy when it would have been illegal to have a 3rd trimester abortion in the US.
No, you lied in order to dishonestly defend your worldview and I didn’t let it stand. “All developed countries”, right? So I guess Canada isn’t developed…
You do realize that EirkaSpirit is doing the same thing.
So it can’t be killed because it doesn’t have agency, but because it is part of the body?
Independent agency is a test employed to determine whether it’s meaningfully separate from the mothers body whilst inside it.Vonsalza:
So it can’t be killed because it doesn’t have agency, but because it is part of the body?
That applys to infants so that’s not correct.
An infant is no longer part of the mother thus the distinction becomes irrelevant. At that point, they’re fully, physically separate things.Vonsalza:
That applys to infants so that’s not correct.
If she is breastfeeding she is
Again, round and round we go.Vonsalza:
If she is breastfeeding she is
She is definitely sacrificing sleep
Why would it be immoral to kill the infant.
It’s a person, of course.Vonsalza:
Why would it be immoral to kill the infant.
What’s your proof for that.
It is no longer part of the mother.Vonsalza:
What’s your proof for that.
So being attached to something makes something a non person?
Being inside a woman, using her body, breath and food for your sustenance and lacking your own agency makes an infant a non-person.Vonsalza:
So being attached to something makes something a non person?