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laylow
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I’m not the one arguing for loss of liberty.
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VanitasVanitatum
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That means useless people can be killed. Children don’t contribute much to society do they?
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Vonsalza
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Jesus found one pretty easy in Luke 18:laylow:
I bet I wouldn’t be able to find one person identifying as conservative who would justify letting children all over the world die every day, etc.Gingersnaps4:
It’s amazing how Conservatives justify letting children all over the world die everyday, so they can live in their privileged world of nice houses, multiple cars, and abundant food. That is the same as murder to me. And I am not even convinced that most abortions are murder to begin with.
18 A certain ruler asked him, “Good teacher, what must I do to inherit eternal life?”
19 “Why do you call me good?” Jesus answered. “No one is good—except God alone. 20 You know the commandments: ‘You shall not commit adultery, you shall not murder, you shall not steal, you shall not give false testimony, honor your father and mother.’[a]”
21 “All these I have kept since I was a boy,” he said.
22 When Jesus heard this, he said to him, “You still lack one thing. Sell everything you have and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me.”
23 When he heard this, he became very sad, because he was very wealthy.
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VanitasVanitatum
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That’s irrelevant.
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VanitasVanitatum
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Well you are towards the fetus.
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laylow
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Is it possible that people cherry-pick passages that fit their agenda? No way, huh?
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Vonsalza
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No it doesn’t, their rights are protected. You were just claiming my position isthe emotional one.
That attempt to turn your most obvious and true critique on your own position back on me just doesn’t work.
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VanitasVanitatum
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You position is that the law gives rights and that hasn’t been backed by logic yet. I should have asked you to back up why that right is logical so my bad.
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laylow
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I’d rather that they are afforded their future liberty, but since it can’t be both ways, I have to go with affording the liberty to the known entity for whom can actually make the choice.
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VanitasVanitatum
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The Church is the largest charitable organization so try again.
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Sbee0
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Who’s “they” and what do you mean “give up their wealth”? Do you mean be willing to give to charity to those less fortunate? Or do you mean they don’t trust the government to do this because government does everything better?Sbee0:
Yet they are unwilling to give up their wealth to save kids they know are dying daily.
The latter =/= the former. The Left tends to think the opposite.
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VanitasVanitatum
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Since death is worse than inconvience then I go for the fetus.
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laylow
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Yet, not enough it seems. A child dies every 3 seconds in the world from poverty.
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VanitasVanitatum
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That’s your fault too.
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Vonsalza
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The only rights you effectively have are the ones the law protects. Every other “right” is just wind.
But the core issue is a conflict between the personhood of the fetus and the mother.
I argue we err on the mother’s behalf. After all, a nation that can ban abortion can force them, too.
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laylow
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Your opinion, but you are short-changing the situation by categorizing it as an inconvenience. In the best of cases yes, in the worst, certainly much more significant.
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VanitasVanitatum
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Well the other thing is your opinion as well, so it’s a draw at best.
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VanitasVanitatum
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Then we should stay on the logical aspect instead of the civil one.
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graciew
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Thank you.
I honestly do not know the basic causes for you to say this, it may be a genetic trait, or other. I do not know…I can tell you in all honesty that these aren’t issues here among the ladies I know except for your first breast issue that yes,some complain . Let us be truthful.
Now would you say that these issue you mentioned are directly related to pregnancy or are they related to other issue such as weight , medical attention, or other?
I assure you Indo not mean to dispute what may be some genetic trait or something, but honestly except for a couple to 6 months that our body readapta back to the usual basically while breastfeeding , then we go back to our jeans. Maybe one size up for a time. Until our hormones get back to their “ routine”.
And if it is two sizes up, some exercise and push ups when appropriate gets us back to tha “ cat walk”!
I honestly do not know the basic causes for you to say this, it may be a genetic trait, or other. I do not know…I can tell you in all honesty that these aren’t issues here among the ladies I know except for your first breast issue that yes,some complain . Let us be truthful.
Now would you say that these issue you mentioned are directly related to pregnancy or are they related to other issue such as weight , medical attention, or other?
I assure you Indo not mean to dispute what may be some genetic trait or something, but honestly except for a couple to 6 months that our body readapta back to the usual basically while breastfeeding , then we go back to our jeans. Maybe one size up for a time. Until our hormones get back to their “ routine”.
And if it is two sizes up, some exercise and push ups when appropriate gets us back to tha “ cat walk”!
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Vonsalza
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Sure, when philosophical differences emerge we likely come to a position of incompatible base axioms.
The problem with mine is that you kinda agree with them too.
Like “No one should have to the right tell a woman what to do with her body”. That’s one haaaaard to disagree with.
See immediately above.
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