Issues other than abortion

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I started the topic. I asked about people commenting about issues of the day “other than abortion.”
But the thread was hi-jacked by people like You.
If you wish to talk about abortion, start a thread about abortion.
Allow others to talk about other problems that plague our society.
Please.
 
Sorry man. That fetus isn’t a person in the same way and degree as its mother. And since it relies on her body to live, she gets to rule the situation.
 
goout said:
The argument to absolute bodily autonomy is not an argument, it’s an assertion. It’s an appeal to arbitrary power. It’s more like a whine than an argument.
“It’s my body and I’ll do what I want”.
It subjects human beings to the whims of another.
It victimizes the defenseless. It exalts power at the expense of humanity.
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Wrong.
The right to bodily autonomy/integrity is a human right. The right of bodily autonomy/integrity is the foundation of the right to life.

Even you indirectly admit this. You believe a fetus has the right to its bodily integrity even while using another human being for its total maintenance and sustenance. I argue that the human being whose body is being utilized has a right to her bodily autonomy/ integrity. No human being has the right to demand the direct benefit of another’s body. To suggest so is sick.

Bodily autonomy protects one human being from subjection to the whims of another. It keeps the defenseless from being victimized. And it keeps humanity …human.

As far as pregnancy is concerned, the mother’s immune system must be kept from recognizing the pregnancy as a foreign object within her body.

In biology we learned it as:
Mother = Self
Fetus = None Self

Since it is the woman’s life at risk, she has the legal right to choose to continue or terminate the pregnancy.

(But once having been an ardently pro-life Catholic, who willingly accepted any risk to life for a pregnancy, I do respect where you come from on your position.)
 
YourNameHere said:
Next, I will just ask open a thread on health care, homelessness, hunger, and other issues of our time.
But two to one, some one will inject abortion and it will be off to the races again.
I truly believe that this country is obsessed with two things, abortion and guns. It is interesting to note those both take lives.
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“some one” = the poster who mentioned it in the thread title? 🙂

There have been plenty of topics here in the past about different social issues.
 
Vonsalza said:
Sorry man. That fetus isn’t a person in the same way and degree as its mother. And since it relies on her body to live, she gets to rule the situation.
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Yes of course. The strong survive, the weak get no slack.

Believe me, we all get it.

How much of a person are you? 3/5ths? None at all? Why do you deserve personhood?

Your position is a moral pit.
 
You are making my point.
With you there is only one issue.
We me, there is abortion and many other issues, as well.
It is very possible to feel strongly about multiple issues.
But so much is said about abortion. Nearly 1,300 posts on this thread that was started in an effort to get a discussion going about other things.
 
My position is just more logical than yours in the context of a free society.

As long as it remains free, choice will keep winning. It’s just the better argument
 
MamaJewel said:
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goout:
The argument to absolute bodily autonomy is not an argument, it’s an assertion. It’s an appeal to arbitrary power. It’s more like a whine than an argument.
“It’s my body and I’ll do what I want”.
It subjects human beings to the whims of another.
It victimizes the defenseless. It exalts power at the expense of humanity.
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Wrong.
The right to bodily autonomy/integrity is a human right. The right of bodily autonomy/integrity is the foundation of the right to life.
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Do tell!
The right to bodily autonomy…
is that for cats?
Trees?

Oh, human beings you say.

Is it for living human beings? Only big powerful ones?

Your argument is a farce.
 
Where are they? I do not see other threads.
What I do see is a lot of folks hi-jacking this thread.
 
YourNameHere said:
You are making my point.
With you there is only one issue.
We me, there is abortion and many other issues, as well.
It is very possible to feel strongly about multiple issues.
But so much is said about abortion. Nearly 1,300 posts on this thread that was started in an effort to get a discussion going about other things.
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Just stop already,.

You made the thread. And anyone can go back and see who interjected abortion into the argument. YOU.
Go back and look.
 
YourNameHere said:
Where are they? I do not see other threads.
What I do see is a lot of folks hi-jacking this thread.
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Click/tap the search icon. It’s not hard.

I searched for the words “gun control” in title and I found 46 such topics on the first page. It’s been discussed plenty of times here. Feel free to start a new one if you like but it’s not hard to figure out what will happen if you create a topic with the word “abortion” in the title.
 
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Part of the reason this is so difficult, IMO, is that there is such a fine line between spiritual and mental things. The spiritual pervades the mental, but that doesn’t mean that all mental problems are spiritual. It doesn’t help that Psychology’s most influential figure (Freud) was such a virulent atheist!
 
Sbee0 said:
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YourNameHere:
Where are they? I do not see other threads.
What I do see is a lot of folks hi-jacking this thread.
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Click/tap the search icon. It’s not hard.

I searched for the words “gun control” in title and I found 46 such topics on the first page. It’s been discussed plenty of times here. Feel free to start a new one if you like but it’s not hard to figure out what will happen if you create a topic with the word “abortion” in the title.
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And then bring the word into like your first five posts following.
Perhaps it’s baiting.
 
YourNameHere said:
You are making my point.
With you there is only one issue.
We me, there is abortion and many other issues, as well.
It is very possible to feel strongly about multiple issues.
But so much is said about abortion. Nearly 1,300 posts on this thread that was started in an effort to get a discussion going about other thing.
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Your point has been proven. I think you have successfully demonstrated in real time the hot button issues in today’s US. Many more people in the world die of starvation or lack of clean water than abortion, so we know it’s not a numbers thing. (as to what issues reign in importance)
 
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For the last time, I placed abortion in the title to suggest that we Catholics and others can discuss other issues, besides, not in spite of, abortion.
But many people obviously are one-trick ponies. They care about no other issue except for abortion.
Have at it. I am done with this thread.
Just please resist the temptation of jumping on future threads that will deal with affordable health care, housing for the homeless, a living wage, and a few other social issues of our time.
 
laylow said:
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YourNameHere:
You are making my point.
With you there is only one issue.
We me, there is abortion and many other issues, as well.
It is very possible to feel strongly about multiple issues.
But so much is said about abortion. Nearly 1,300 posts on this thread that was started in an effort to get a discussion going about other thing (as to what issues reign in importance).
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Your point has been proven. I think you have successfully demonstrated in real time the hot button issues in today’s US. Many more people in the world die of starvation or lack of clean water than abortion, so we know it’s not a numbers thing.
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And to think that some far left progressives want socialism in the USA when the latter is usually the end result of it. 🤔
 
YourNameHere said:
For the last time, I placed abortion in the title to suggest that we Catholics and others can discuss other issues, besides, not in spite of, abortion.
But many people obviously are one-trick ponies. They care about no other issue except for abortion.
Have at it. I am done with this thread.
Just please resist the temptation of jumping on future threads that will deal with affordable health care, housing for the homeless, a living wage, and a few other social issues of our time.
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If you put the word “abortion” in the title… I’m not sure why you expected anything different. It’s a very emotional issue, especially moreso for those on the prochoice side of the argument.

If you didn’t want that to happen perhaps call your title something different and then mention abortion in the post? (shrug)
 
Sbee0 said:
And to think that some far left progressives want socialism in the USA when the latter is usually the end result of it. 🤔
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Empowerment of women (or lack thereof) is the biggest cause for poverty in the world. Once women are empowered, prosperity follows.
 
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