Issues with my Mother

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Hi everyone. I’m a happily married mother of two, and I’d really like some advice and objective opinions on a situation I’m having with my mother right now.

Some background: I’m a cradle Catholic and an only child. My parents gave me a very sheltered upbringing; in fact, I would even go as far to say they over-protected me. The choices that they gave me even into my teens were basically, “do it my way or face severe consequences.” I fully support that a minor child should obey their parents, but I also think that children should be taught *how *to make decisions beyond “because Mom and Dad say so.” I was never allowed to challenge my parents growing up. Whenever I tried to explain that I had a point of view different from them, they would immediately shoot me down, tell me how wrong I was and then ground me from doing anything. Example: in high school I was in a team sport that had an 11 month season, going to high school half time while going full time to the local community college. I was expected to get straight A’s in all my classes–anything less and I would lose the privileges of driving and having any sort of social life with my friends. I took an economics class that was extremely difficult for me. When I came home with a C on an exam, my parents were furious. I explained that I was feeling overworked and that I thought that I should back off on something–not take as many courses at the college next quarter or stop doing the sport after the season ended. They told me “no way.” I was keeping the same school workload next quarter, I had to go out for sports again next season, and the all A’s rule still stood. And then my mom told me that I was just being lazy and looking for excuses to get out of going to school. If I still decided that I disagreed with their decision, I could turn in my car keys and come straight home after school and not do anything with my friends on the weekends.

When I got into college, I had no idea how to make my own decisions. I always had to ask someone for permission to do anything, because that was what I was used to. I had no idea how to make my own choices. So I’d ask “permission” from friends, boyfriends, etc. It’s probably no surprise that I ended up pregnant at 19. Fortunately for me, it was with a decent guy. We got married, and he’s grown into a wonderful, supportive husband. He has been trying to empower me to make my own decisions and take charge of my own life rather than always asking him if it’s okay for me to do something.

My mom hates him. She says that she loves him, that he’s a good dad, etc., but her actions speak otherwise. She takes any opportunity to point out his faults, she’s always disrespecting him. It’s been going on since we’ve been married, and I feel awful for not standing up to my mother about it. Mom is always challenging our parenting decisions. When DH is talking to my 3 year old and disciplining her over some behavior, my mom will walk right in the middle, put herself between DH and my daughter and then let my daughter do whatever she was doing, while blaming DH for “not handling it right.”

Last night I challenged her about the whole situation. I explained to her that by doing that, she’s teaching the kids that it’s okay to throw the rules out the window when they feel like it. She threw it back in my face. She basically told me that it’s all DH’s and my fault because we’re inconsistent with the kids all the time. To be honest, consistency is something that DH and I are trying to get better at–we’re not good about it at all and we know it. But I told her that it’s not an excuse for her to ignore our rules. She started being very rude to me, and so I told her point-blank that she was being rude and to stop talking to me that way. She rolled her eyes and said very sarcastically, “oh, please. Just talk. You’re the one getting all upset over it, look how calm I’m remaining.” She always finds a way to use my own words against me, and sometimes I believe that she’s actually got a valid point.

So how to I handle the situation with regards to my kids? I mean, does she have a point that since I’m inconsistent she’s not confusing the kids any more than I am? Or does it even matter since she’s not their parent? Part of me feels like I should be able to just tell her, “too bad, you’re not their mother so you don’t have a say.” But the other part of me feels like that would be too harsh a statement to make.

If something was unclear, let me know and I’ll try to give more information.
 
I can totally relate. My mom does the same thing to me. She disregards any of my “rules” and will pretty much behave in the same way as your mother. How often do you see your mom? I am at my parents house everyday because I help my mom with relatives who are disabled. I’ve pretty much gone over there every single day for many years and it can be quite frustrating.

However, I try to look at the situation in a different light. While my mom has her faults (plenty of them!, lol) she does have many good qualities too. And I am very lucky to still have a mom and dad that can irritate me on a daily basis!😛

I am in no way trying to make light of the situation, trust me, I really do know how upsetting this can be. I just figure since its doubtful my parents will change drastically…I can at least try to change how I see things. Good luck!!
 
It’s a daily thing. Not too long ago, DH and I actually moved in with my parents in order to save some money while we wait for the market to calm down where we live. We’re beginning to see that somethings are worth more than money–like our sanity!

I am trying to accept that she’s never going to change. I am trying to accept that every time I apologize to her for my own behavior and faults, it just cements in her mind that she’s right and I’m wrong. And I stopped expecting anything close to an apology from her years ago. But it hasn’t gotten any easier.

She brags to everyone how “in touch” with me she is, how she knows how I’m feeling and she is always protecting me, etc. She has absolutely NO idea that I really don’t like the way she treats me. And it’s not for my lack of explaining it to her. It’s because she won’t listen and she still finds a way to make me wrong even when I tell her that she’s not hearing what I’m telling her. I just keep feeling like I’m nearing a breaking point. That one of these days I’m just going to snap and tell her that I don’t want her bothering me anymore. And I really don’t want that to happen. I know that she loves me, even if she has a strange way of showing it. I know that she won’t be around forever and that I should be happy with the time that I still have her. But I still feel like one day I’m just going to snap and say, “I’m done.” 🤷
 
This sounds like a VERY tough situation ((hugs))!
Can y’all move out pretty soon? That will certainly help the situation.
Remain calm with your mother and try really hard to remember her good points (sometimes it is exceedingly difficult to see, I know).
But do take charge of the kids, and defend DH when it is necessary. Harmony in YOUR own little family is the most important thing.
I’ll pray for you!
 
Time to take a stand:

'Mom, you raised your kids. They were your responsibility and you did what you thought was best. I love you now.
  • My children are my children. They are my husbands children. They are our responsibility. You will not get between my children and myself, or their father and them. Period. End of sentence. End of statement. Full stop. If you do there will be consequences
  • you will not be allowed in my home for one month.’
Put it to her calmly, smile on your face, but do not debate, do not discuss, do not give an inch. They are in fact your responsibility, your mother will be confusing them by undermining your husband with them. She will be damaging everyone’s relationships. Put a stop to it now. She is wrong. You don’t have to yell, you certainly shouldn’t argue. Your home, your kids, your law. Just like it was in her home.

When you are 80 and considering how your kids and marriage have turned out, it will be too late. Make the decisions now that you will be content with when you’re 80, that you won’t regret.

FWIW. I treat each of my kids differently, they each respond differently to discipline/reward, what works for one doesn’t work for others. Some seem to learn the easy way from others mistakes, some just have to make those mistakes themselves. One’s confrontational and argumentative, another is a master of diplomacy and sneaky. These aren’t cookies you’re making.

I didn’t even raise an eyebrow when my straight A daughter came home with a D on a paper because she worked her buns off in an AP class and was adjusting. We just talked about what she might need to do differently, approach the teacher for help etc. (Got an A at end of term)

However, I did get all over my son for bringing home a B on a math test because in the weeks leading up to it he’d spent a lot of time gaming. He was capable of more and hadn’t put in the effort.
 
Your mother has hobbled you all your life, and celebrates the crippling!

:mad:

You say your parents sheltered you, etc, but you said nothing about your father. Is he afraid to stand up to your mother? Does your mother rule the home?

What she is doing is VERY destructive to your parenting. She is BLATANTLY destroying your and your authority with your children. Yes, you MUST set boundaries with her. For your childrens’ sake, you simply must. She cannot be allowed to get in between you, or your husband, when you are disciplining your children. Whether you are doing it perfectly or not, she will sow rebellion into your children very quickly.

This is a helpful book, it is in many libraries and there are versions of it such as Boundaries with Teens, etc.

Boundaries

Do not doubt yourself or your husband. NO MATTER WHAT, your mother has to get out of your business. And I would never let her care for your children alone. She is likely to undermine you even more when you are not there. It is one thing to give a grandchild an extra piece of candy or two, totally different to tell them, once they are 15 or so, for example, that “sex is good for you, your parents are old-fashioned, I understand you better.” Trust me, if she is getting in between you now, it will be worse over time.

Reach around behind your back…feel that bony prominence…It’s your SPINE! You’ve got one! Now use it! Stand up to her and do not back down!

I still want to know what your father is doing in all of this.
 
Re-read your post. Your mother is used to controling and manipulating you. She resents your husband who support you not being controlled. She’s still manipulating you using your own lack of confidence againts you.

She has so manipulated you that you are seeking support for a quite reasonable position and questioning yourself.

BFO. Blinding Flash of the Obvious. These are you kids, you have every right to be inconsistent (or to take into consideration a number of factors in applying discipline) as a parent. I’m not in your hom so I can’t make the call. She has no right to get between you and your kids or their father and them. None whatsoever. Not unless you are doing something truly evil or dangerous.

Calm? Angry? Screaming? Really isn’t relevant to the principle. I’m a very calm guy by nature, doesn’t necessarily mean I’m always right when I argue.

These are your kids, not hers.
Your and your husband’s responsibility not hers. Put on your big girl pants (the mommy ones) and do what’s right for your husband and kids. Make it clear you appreciate advice but what happens in your home with your kids is your call. You are the one who has to answer for it, not her.
 
Re-read your post. Your mother is used to controling and manipulating you. She resents your husband who support you not being controlled. She’s still manipulating you using your own lack of confidence againts you.

She has so manipulated you that you are seeking support for a quite reasonable position and questioning yourself.

BFO. Blinding Flash of the Obvious. These are you kids, you have every right to be inconsistent (or to take into consideration a number of factors in applying discipline) as a parent. I’m not in your hom so I can’t make the call. She has no right to get between you and your kids or their father and them. None whatsoever. Not unless you are doing something truly evil or dangerous.

Calm? Angry? Screaming? Really isn’t relevant to the principle. I’m a very calm guy by nature, doesn’t necessarily mean I’m always right when I argue.

These are your kids, not hers.
Your and your husband’s responsibility not hers. Put on your big girl pants (the mommy ones) and do what’s right for your husband and kids. Make it clear you appreciate advice but what happens in your home with your kids is your call. You are the one who has to answer for it, not her.
One of the problems is that the OP and her hubby are LIVING with her mom (and dad, I guess) right now. So her mom has that same childhood power over her. Not a good situation when there’s been a lot of power over the OP her whole life. Even well-adjusted adults tend to regress when in the childhood home or with parents.
 
You need to get out.

I would rather live in a one-room efficiency than live on those terms.

I would rather - in college to have forgone my parents’ money than to let them dictate all terms of life.

Then you can have your mom in your life on your terms. When she undercuts you, as a parent, you can gather your children together and tell them it is time to go home.

Your relationship with your mom will not improve until she realizes that you are an adult and she cannot dictate the terms of your relationship. You can love your mom, but you do not have to be subservient to her.

When she is disrespectful to your husband, you tell her that you do not appreciate it, and if she does it again, you will leave. And follow through (She wants consistency - practice it with your relationship with her as well).

It’s not easy, but it will work out (when you are out of her house)
 
One of the problems is that the OP and her hubby are LIVING with her mom (and dad, I guess) right now. So her mom has that same childhood power over her. Not a good situation when there’s been a lot of power over the OP her whole life. Even well-adjusted adults tend to regress when in the childhood home or with parents.
Sorry, I missed that, it does make it a lot tougher. But I do think the OP needs to determine some type of consequences for mom interfering. Can’t think of what the appropriate action would be as the living conditions put a lot of cards in mom’s hands.

I do agree with RealJuliane that this is only going to get worse long term. Running to G’ma in the teen years isn’t all that uncommon…
 
Is she controlling of the children as well, that is, when they’re not being disciplined or encouraged by you?

To clarify, is she only being lenient when you or your husband are interacting with the children or is she always lenient with them?

Is she controlling of them unless shes sees an opportunity to be even more controlling of you and your husband?
 
Thank you for all your thoughtful replies, and especially for the prayers. Hopefully we’ll be able to move out soon. We haven’t saved nearly enough money for a house, so we’ll be jumping right back into a seemingly endless cycle of putting most of our paycheck towards rent and not being able to save much, but we can swing it. Right now, we just feel like we don’t have much control over the situation–we’re living in my parents’ home and are trying to respect their rules. At the same time, we are paying them rent (even though it’s low) and we’re trying to find a balance between respecting their rules and having things “our way.”
You say your parents sheltered you, etc, but you said nothing about your father. Is he afraid to stand up to your mother? Does your mother rule the home?
The short answer: Yes. My dad is very laid back and complacent by nature, just like I am. Mom is very domineering by nature. So yes, she rules the house. I honestly do feel like Dad is afraid to stand up to her. Most things he agrees with her, but when he doesn’t, he definitely doesn’t speak up to challenge her. Mom has (I think) a troubled background as it is. She’s never talked to me about it so I don’t know first hand, but Dad has told me that her own mom was very mean to her growing up. She outright told my Mom that she’d never have anyone love her, that she’d end up alone, etc. So I think part of it is that Dad is afraid that by challenging her he will stir up those emotions again.

I can’t say that I agree with him, but I think I understand why he doesn’t challenge her more than he does. She flips out when someone challenges her, and she goes on this pouting rampage for days at a time. She’ll be overly quiet, snappy when she does have to talk, and just generally in a bad mood with the entire rest of the family. I’ll even admit to not bringing things up with her because I don’t want to deal with that particular consequence–it just doesn’t seem worth the trouble, and nothing changes anyways.

Dad still agrees with her on most basic dynamics of our relationship. For example, Dad still thinks he’s the spiritual head of my family. He’s always talking about how it’s his responsibility to teach my husband more about our Catholic faith and continue guiding him. I completely disagree. He’s spiritual head of his family. DH and I of course value his insight and the wisdom that he’s gained from age, but don’t feel he has any further “responsibility” to educate DH and I. There are other things like that where I feel like my Dad doesn’t understand that he’s not in a parental role with me anymore. He’ll of course always be my dad, but he doesn’t have the same responsibilities to guide me as he did when I was a child.
This is a helpful book, it is in many libraries and there are versions of it such as Boundaries with Teens, etc.
Thank you, I’ll definitely have a look at it.
Do not doubt yourself or your husband. NO MATTER WHAT, your mother has to get out of your business. And I would never let her care for your children alone. She is likely to undermine you even more when you are not there. It is one thing to give a grandchild an extra piece of candy or two, totally different to tell them, once they are 15 or so, for example, that “sex is good for you, your parents are old-fashioned, I understand you better.” Trust me, if she is getting in between you now, it will be worse over time.
I see your point. My parents wouldn’t ever tell them anything like that about sex. If anything, they are much more conservative than DH and I. DH and I want our kids to be educated and be able to make their own decisions, with a good moral background. But we don’t believe in sheltering them from everything or over protecting them. Mom is quick to point out when we do something with the kids that she doesn’t approve of–and chastises us for it in front of the kids. For example, “change the TV channel, it’s not appropriate for the kids.” And then when we talk to her about it later, asking her to please bring those types of issues to us in private and not in front of the kids, she’s “just doing what is best for them.” I know I need to stand up for DH and I, I just don’t know how to do it most times. She thinks that she’s the superior parent and that her ideas are all the best, and since she knows what is best for the kids, she should be able to do it. I really don’t know how to handle it when she says things like that. (I’m not trying to excuse my behavior–I know it has to change, I just don’t know how to change it.)
 
Hi.

So how to I handle the situation with regards to my kids? I mean, does she have a point that since I’m inconsistent she’s not confusing the kids any more than I am? Or does it even matter since she’s not their parent? Part of me feels like I should be able to just tell her, “too bad, you’re not their mother so you don’t have a say.” But the other part of me feels like that would be too harsh a statement to make.

If something was unclear, let me know and I’ll try to give more information.
you are asking for permission again
frankly if you were my friend asking my advice, I would recommend distancing yourself and your children from this controlling woman
 
Calm? Angry? Screaming? Really isn’t relevant to the principle. I’m a very calm guy by nature, doesn’t necessarily mean I’m always right when I argue.
I see. I don’t get all out screaming when I argue with her, but after saying 15 times, “you’re not listening to me. ____ is the problem,” my voice does tend to rise and it becomes, “YOU. ARE. NOT. LISTENING!” I wish I could be more in control of my emotions, but I just haven’t mastered it yet. I’d love to be able to have a calm discussion with her, but it just doesn’t seem possible.

But I’m starting to see that I really do need to hold my ground against her.
 
Is she controlling of the children as well, that is, when they’re not being disciplined or encouraged by you?

To clarify, is she only being lenient when you or your husband are interacting with the children or is she always lenient with them?

Is she controlling of them unless shes sees an opportunity to be even more controlling of you and your husband?
She’s more lenient because she thinks that they are just kids and need to be taught, but that I am not teaching them, I am just punishing them. She’s always pretty lenient with them. Since moving in with her and my dad, DH and I have seen the kids’ behavior regress quite a bit. They are completely dependent on having one of the adults in the house entertain them, where as before they would be content to go and play together on something like building blocks. My mom just can’t say “no, I’m busy right now” to the kids when they ask her to play with them. I will. I will tell them to find something to entertain themselves with, and so then my mom will use that against me. “Well, if *you *don’t entertain them, then *I *have to. You’re neglecting your responsibilities and making me do more work, so I will do what I please.” I’m not talking about leaving the kids all day to do whatever they want–we’re talking a couple of hours at a time when the kids should be able to build with blocks, or look at books, or play make believe or whatever without someone directly having to do something to entertain them.
 
I really don’t know how to handle it when she says things like that. (I’m not trying to excuse my behavior–I know it has to change, I just don’t know how to change it.)
You first have to believe you can. Once you start believing in yourself things will change. I have also grown up with a manipulative and controlling parent and I understand how difficult this is.

Would you be willing to do life coaching or something? In order for someone to help you achive this change of attitude and behaviour.
 
I see your point. My parents wouldn’t ever tell them anything like that about sex. If anything, they are much more conservative than DH and I. DH and I want our kids to be educated and be able to make their own decisions, with a good moral background. But we don’t believe in sheltering them from everything or over protecting them. Mom is quick to point out when we do something with the kids that she doesn’t approve of–and chastises us for it in front of the kids. For example, “change the TV channel, it’s not appropriate for the kids.” And then when we talk to her about it later, asking her to please bring those types of issues to us in private and not in front of the kids, she’s “just doing what is best for them.” I know I need to stand up for DH and I, I just don’t know how to do it most times. She thinks that she’s the superior parent and that her ideas are all the best, and since she knows what is best for the kids, she should be able to do it. I really don’t know how to handle it when she says things like that. (I’m not trying to excuse my behavior–I know it has to change, I just don’t know how to change it.)
You guys need to get out of there. Whatever the price, you can live with not having your own home. It is damaging your children and you, it could end up tearing your whole family (I mean YOUR marriage) apart, I’ve seen it happen. Start looking for an apartment NOW please. Please. Being there is so unhealthy. You are NOT going to be able to draw boundaries as long as she has you in her house.

:eek:
 
You guys need to get out of there. Whatever the price, you can live with not having your own home. It is damaging your children and you, it could end up tearing your whole family (I mean YOUR marriage) apart, I’ve seen it happen. Start looking for an apartment NOW please. Please. Being there is so unhealthy. You are NOT going to be able to draw boundaries as long as she has you in her house.

:eek:
We really do want out of the house, and we have been searching for somewhere else to live for a couple of months. Right now, we have to have at least three bedrooms (we have a boy and a girl, so we can’t have them share a room) and the rental market is really inflated where we live right now. When we were renting before, we were paying so much towards rent that we weren’t able to save anything–and rent goes up every year, so we have to plan for that. We got rid of cable, the land line for the phone, don’t eat out, and used the most basic internet plan we could find, etc. It just seemed like we couldn’t get ahead so we decided to move in with the parents for a short while in order to save some money. Hindsight is 20/20, and we’re seeing that there are more valuable things than money, but we still feel trapped with not being able to find a place to move to.

I agree–it’s nearly impossible for us to set any sort of boundary while my mom holds all of the cards. We need to get out, but we need a place that we can afford first.
 
Wow, what a difficult situation. I almost feel like I could’ve written your posts. I know what it’s like to have an overbearing at times and clingy mother. Try to remember to show Christ’s love to her, but that doesn’t mean that you should do everything she says or put up with her meddling.

You NEED to set some boundaries. I understand thinking that you could save money with living with the parents, but this is not healthy for the rest of your family. Do what your gut says–get your own place! You are absolutely your children’s parent and you absolutely have the right to tell your parents to back off when they overstep their boundaries.
 
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