"It’s expensive to be Catholic"

[Edward_H]

If we love God and His Church, BE CAUSE HE LOVES IT,! we ought to treat the Church like another child! We wouldn’t scrimp on our own child.

 

[cath4alltime]

I was reading this PRI article, “Conversion: A Mexican Village’s Evangelical Shift,” which discussed the rise of evangelical Protestantism in Mexico. One part of the article interested me:

I’'m curious, is this more of a Mexican thing or is it also true in the US as well? How expensive is it to be Catholic?

And beyond that, how much pressure are Catholic’s put under to financially contribute to the church? Do any Catholics tithe? Just curious.

When I converted to Catholicism it seemed everything they wanted me to take part in cost a lot of money and than later when me and my wife got confirmed there was more stuff that they wanted us to do that cost more money. It did seem like it was a lot more expensive being Catholic than when I was Protestant

 

[BernadetteM]

When I converted to Catholicism it seemed everything they wanted me to take part in cost a lot of money and than later when me and my wife got confirmed there was more stuff that they wanted us to do that cost more money. It did seem like it was a lot more expensive being Catholic than when I was Protestant

Can you be specific on what you were charged for when you became a Catholic?

I am a convert and have never had any issues with the parish regarding charges for anything, except when I took a class and paid for a used book, which I was told to return if I chose and the money was returned.

My close friend attends a protestant church and is expected to contribute 10% of her income, which comes to around $1,100 a month.

Yours in the Hearts of Jesus and Mary

Bernadette

 

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[xixxvmcm85]

Others have already covered the cultural aspects which “necessitate” elaborate Sacraments. I’m here to talk about what I see as Sacerdotal impropriety. I’m a Californian who speaks Spanish fluently. I’ve been to plenty of Spanish Masses and have never felt any more pressure to give money in the United States than I have in English Masses.

I have also been to Masses in some very “out in the cuts” villages of Mexico and I can tell you the experience is quite different. In some villages, the Catholic parish is the only church of any kind for a dozen miles or more. The priest, therefore, takes on a very pragmatic and charismatic role that sort of mesmerizes the people. The priest asks you to house certain individuals, then you house them. He asks you to bake enough tortas for the following solemnity then you better deliver. From what I saw in this small town in Jalisco, the people venerate the priest unduly, and he knows that, and therefore takes advantage of it.

It makes me very mad, and I even started arguing with a priest one day in Arandas, Jalisco Mexico about his ability to tell a couple that their son with Down Syndrome was a curse from God for infidelity. Needless to say I ended up pissing off pretty much everybody, including the parents of the individual with Down Syndrome!. I remember going to Mexico to observe a Confirmation, and the father was essentially extorted for extra money by the Priest two weeks before the Sacrament. I was there and within ear-shot of the conversation. He didn’t “recommend” a larger donation to the Parish for his daughter’s confirmation, rather the Priest flat out said “You need to pay 1000 more pesos otherwise the Church cannot perform the Sacrament”.

You have to understand that in these parts of the world, there is likely no internet, and only some phone connection. Their day-to-day world involves what is heard within 10+ miles from them. The people know no better because their only source of Catholicism is what their crooked *** priests tell them.

I’m glad to have very holy men lead our archdiocese here, and pray that, at the very least, the village in Arandas, Jalisco has its misguided priests removed and more holy men serve in their stead.

 

[SteveVH]

Others have already covered the cultural aspects which “necessitate” elaborate Sacraments. I’m here to talk about what I see as Sacerdotal impropriety. I’m a Californian who speaks Spanish fluently. I’ve been to plenty of Spanish Masses and have never felt any more pressure to give money in the United States than I have in English Masses.

I have also been to Masses in some very “out in the cuts” villages of Mexico and I can tell you the experience is quite different. In some villages, the Catholic parish is the only church of any kind for a dozen miles or more. The priest, therefore, takes on a very pragmatic and charismatic role that sort of mesmerizes the people. The priest asks you to house certain individuals, then you house them. He asks you to bake enough tortas for the following solemnity then you better deliver. From what I saw in this small town in Jalisco, the people venerate the priest unduly, and he knows that, and therefore takes advantage of it.

It makes me very mad, and I even started arguing with a priest one day in Arandas, Jalisco Mexico about his ability to tell a couple that their son with Down Syndrome was a curse from God for infidelity. Needless to say I ended up pissing off pretty much everybody, including the parents of the individual with Down Syndrome!. I remember going to Mexico to observe a Confirmation, and the father was essentially extorted for extra money by the Priest two weeks before the Sacrament. I was there and within ear-shot of the conversation. He didn’t “recommend” a larger donation to the Parish for his daughter’s confirmation, rather the Priest flat out said “You need to pay 1000 more pesos otherwise the Church cannot perform the Sacrament”.

You have to understand that in these parts of the world, there is likely no internet, and only some phone connection. Their day-to-day world involves what is heard within 10+ miles from them. The people know no better because their only source of Catholicism is what their crooked *** priests tell them.

I’m glad to have very holy men lead our archdiocese here, and pray that, at the very least, the village in Arandas, Jalisco has its misguided priests removed and more holy men serve in their stead.

I’ve heard similar stories. One priest from Mexico told me that one of the greatest motivators for vocations to the priesthood in Mexico is that one is assured three meals a day and a roof over their head. These, however are abuses. If it was expensive to be a Catholic then why are most Catholics located in the poorest countries in the world?

 

[mark_a]

I was reading this PRI article, “Conversion: A Mexican Village’s Evangelical Shift,” which discussed the rise of evangelical Protestantism in Mexico. One part of the article interested me:

I’'m curious, is this more of a Mexican thing or is it also true in the US as well? How expensive is it to be Catholic?

And beyond that, how much pressure are Catholic’s put under to financially contribute to the church? Do any Catholics tithe? Just curious.

 

[kelner]

If it was expensive to be a Catholic then why are most Catholics located in the poorest countries in the world?

Because there is no other church to switch to.

 

[SteveVH]

Because there is no other church to switch to.

I think you missed my point. And by the way, there are plenty of other “churches” in these countries. Evangelical Protestants have been trying (and succeeding to some degree) to convert Catholics away from the Church for years, as well as Jehovah’s Witnesses and Mormons.

 

[hn160]

This is not to put down anyone, but at the church that I attend, a budget is compiled by the Board of Directors and is shown to the congregration. There is no pressure to give, but every year the budget is more than made. We do have one advantage, we are located in Silicon Valley, but the members have a sense on what to give.

 

[andrewstx]

I think in many cases a lot of Catholics tend to be stingy when the collection is taken up. Most Protestants belive in tithing and have more money in thier parish or congregations budgets.

Many Episcopal clergy get $100,000 per year and then their housing and insurance and pension are included.

Catholic priests diocesan preists don’t come close to that. So things that would be free in Prtotestant churches have to sold to keep things above water. Things like newspapers, tracts, candles are sold.

 

[SteveVH]

I think in many cases a lot of Catholics tend to be stingy when the collection is taken up. Most Protestants belive in tithing and have more money in thier parish or congregations budgets.

Many Episcopal clergy get $100,000 per year and then their housing and insurance and pension are included.

Catholic priests diocesan preists don’t come close to that. So things that would be free in Prtotestant churches have to sold to keep things above water. Things like newspapers, tracts, candles are sold.

I notice you didn’t mention the Orthodox. How do they do in the tithing department?

 

[BernadetteM]

I think in many cases a lot of Catholics tend to be stingy when the collection is taken up. Most Protestants belive in tithing and have more money in thier parish or congregations budgets.

Many Episcopal clergy get $100,000 per year and then their housing and insurance and pension are included.

Catholic priests diocesan preists don’t come close to that. So things that would be free in Prtotestant churches have to sold to keep things above water. Things like newspapers, tracts, candles are sold.

Episcopal churches who have votive candles, tracts etc. also expect a certain donation, unless things have changed since I became Catholic. They don’t tithe, of course there are always exceptions to the rule. I recall that in one parish they sent a man over to our house to try to have us give a certain amount to the parish. It would have been better if he came to welcome our membership, instead of asking for money. As a Catholic I have never had anyone in the parishes I attended ask me for financial aid. I do agree that in general many Catholics should give more, however, we don’t know the circumstances they are in.

Since so many TEC parishes are leaving TEC, it will have many empty buildings that they will sell.

Yours in the Hearts of Jesus and Mary

Bernadette

 

[Newsy]

A few months back, our parish priest gave his first homily about money… first in his career! Our parish runs about 10-15k in the red every year, so he addressed it kindly. We have seen a huge increase in giving. Many parishes that have the same deficit problem just don’t talk about giving. Most people are willing to give if they know there is a need.

My protestant church background was in two main churches. The first church didn’t address money needs until things were dire, they didn’t want to “put off anyone”. This church closed. The second church was pro-active and had a stewardship committee, they were never in need. Some churches address money needs better than others.

As for being told to give more money or “costing more to be a Catholic”, I have never had that experience, but I am sure that it happens some where.

 

[cath4alltime]

Can you be specific on what you were charged for when you became a Catholic?

I am a convert and have never had any issues with the parish regarding charges for anything, except when I took a class and paid for a used book, which I was told to return if I chose and the money was returned.

My close friend attends a protestant church and is expected to contribute 10% of her income, which comes to around $1,100 a month.

Yours in the Hearts of Jesus and Mary

Bernadette

Just about everything they wanted money for. While we should tithe when possible because God will bless that it should not be a requirement. Not all Protestants do that, my friend is in the SBC and they do not force people to give anything and when I was a Protestant no church demanded any tithe. I found when I was Protestant it was much cheaper but the price came with wondering if all the free resources were okay or not. So in a way both cost Protestant and Catholic something, monetarily though to me the Catholic Church cost more.

 

[BernadetteM]

Just about everything they wanted money for. While we should tithe when possible because God will bless that it should not be a requirement. Not all Protestants do that, my friend is in the SBC and they do not force people to give anything and when I was a Protestant no church demanded any tithe. I found when I was Protestant it was much cheaper but the price came with wondering if all the free resources were okay or not. So in a way both cost Protestant and Catholic something, monetarily though to me the Catholic Church cost more.

Your answer is still lacking specific items or sacraments etc., that you were asked to pay for.

Of course if you taking a Bible study or another type of workshop, it would be expected that someone has to pay for the workbooks or other supplies. Catholic parishes are not wealthy. As a former protestant in a liturgical parish we were asked to donate for votive candles and tracts.

Also I have been to several protestant churches where they are always asking for money.

Some even promise the more you donate the greater your blessings will be.

So if you don’t mind please be specific instead of answering that “just about everything they wanted money for”.

God Bless

Bernadette

 

[Edward_H]

I can’t imagine a Protestant or Catholic case where there is a real forcing of contributions involved, especially if one’s situation is tight.

I think it is actually the Pastor’s PASTORAL duty to encourage and ask us to sacrifice. Sacrifice is good for the soul. A priest once summed this up very well to his parishioners…he said “what you give is between you and God…whether you give is between you and me”.

Catholics need to remind themselves…it’s prayer and sacrifice, not just prayer. Sacrifice calls on a different form of commitment, one requiring prioritizing, detachment, yes obedience…these all are important properties of love!! We must love God and His Church.

Sacrificing can purify us, and our intentions, it can make us examine how we are living the Beatitudes. Often we reject the call to giving more of ourselves because we’re truly tapped out, but as often, maybe more often, we reject the call because we’re hiding behind our excuses, and don’t want to examine how we are living our lives outside of Sunday. Then we feel resentment etc…this when interior complaint begins, and we don’t confront it.

 

[andrewstx]

Episcopal churches who have votive candles, tracts etc. also expect a certain donation, unless things have changed since I became Catholic. They don’t tithe, of course there are always exceptions to the rule. I recall that in one parish they sent a man over to our house to try to have us give a certain amount to the parish. It would have been better if he came to welcome our membership, instead of asking for money. As a Catholic I have never had anyone in the parishes I attended ask me for financial aid. I do agree that in general many Catholics should give more, however, we don’t know the circumstances they are in.

Since so many TEC parishes are leaving TEC, it will have many empty buildings that they will sell.

Yours in the Hearts of Jesus and Mary

Bernadette

BernadetteM, I was not chastizing the church at all, heaven forbid.

I was just thinking that if individual Catholics could be a bit more genorous when the basket comes around, it would not be needed to charge for many things covered in the budget in Protestant churches.

BTW I am not a memeber of TEC.

 

[misspriss]

I haven’t been asked to pay for a single thing since becoming Catholic. I try to always give what I can. Occasionally our pastor mentions something specific, like the organ needing cleaning or the new worship hymnals, but not all the time.

At my Protestant church, they talked about money a lot but never asked for it really, it was because we built a huge new church while I was going there. They seemed to get enough each year though, they always reported we were on track for paying the building debt.

 

[andrewstx]

I think pledging could be the key. That way a parish would roughly know what’s comming in when the budget is written.

Emergencies could be covered in second collections.