It is a Sin to Vote for Pro-Abortion Candidates

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Actions speak louder than words. If he was truly opposed to abortion, he would take measures to restrict it, not expand it. Talk is cheap.
He obviously does not consider it as grave an issue as this forum, but he has not taken any actions to significantly expand abortion. In fact, in the past he has taken actions which back up his words, e.g. the Prevention First Act.
 
He obviously does not consider it as grave an issue as this forum, but he has not taken any actions to significantly expand abortion. In fact, in the past he has taken actions which back up his words, e.g. the Prevention First Act.
By executive order, he rescinded the Mexico City Policy, allowing taxpayer funds to pay for abortions overseas

He insisted on abortion to be included in this monstrous Health Care Bill

Whatever
 
Yo must be readinga differen Democrat party Platofrm thaan the rest of us.

If nobody is pro-abortion why are there 1.2 million of them a year? Why did the Denocart party bypass senate procedure to assure abortion funding stayed in the Health Care bill? The idea that there is common ground with the Democrat party on abortion died with the Helath Care vote.
Both parties have been in and out of power several times since abortion was made legal. Making it into a partisan issue does not make sense. Clearly neither side is willing to take any meaningful steps to make it illegal.
 
Both parties have been in and out of power several times since abortion was made legal. Making it into a partisan issue does not make sense. Clearly neither side is willing to take any meaningful steps to make it illegal.
You are wrong. Every single restriction on abortion in the last 35 years has come via the Republican Party. Every single one of them has come despite fierce oppostition from the Democrat party. Because of the last election we are for the first time in 8 years paying for abortions and forced sterilizations overseas. You simply can not dismiss this as neither party taking meaningful steps

Even if your assessment were correct it would not allow a Catholic to vote for a pro-abortion canidate. A Catholic can not either directly or indirectly support abortion .
 
If abortion funding is not in the health care bill why did the Democrat party bypass Senate procedures to make sure the Stupak Amendment was stripped from the bill? Why did the USCCB and every pro-life organization the country(except the ill namedt Democrarts for life) believe. that funding was in the bill? Why did over 40 democart congressmen declare they would vote against the bill if the Stupak amendment were included in it?
 
=estesbob;6531808]You are wrong. Every single restriction on abortion in the last 35 years has come via the Republican Party. Every single one of them has come despite fierce oppostition from the Democrat party. Because of the last election we are for the first time in 8 years paying for abortions and forced sterilizations overseas. You simply can not dismiss this as neither party taking meaningful steps

Even if your assessment were correct it would not allow a Catholic to vote for a pro-abortion canidate. A Catholic can not either directly or indirectly support abortion
So . in order to be a Catholic one must now not support the two-party system? You do not see that as a threat to democracy?
 
So . in order to be a Catholic one must now not support the two-party system? You do not see that as a threat to democracy?
No one has even inferred that. Before the lagalization of this particular form of infanticide, neither party was pro-abortion, yet it was still a 2 party system. At any rate, democracy is not necessarily the best form of government
 
CWBetts;6532925]No one has even inferred that.
Well sure looks like it.
Before the lagalization of this particular form of infanticide, neither party was pro-abortion, yet it was still a 2 party system.
Well, that is not the way it is now.
At any rate, democracy is not necessarily the best form of government
Wow, you believe that-----that is disconcerting.
 
Well sure looks like it.

Well, that is not the way it is now.

Wow, you believe that-----that is disconcerting.
Democracy–dependent on the will of the majority of the people, and by extension, the world. Since faithful Christians are in the minority, democracy is not beneficial to Christianity.

The Church is not a democracy. We do not “vote” on Dogmas. It is not the responsibility of the Bishops to represent our interests. I find it disconcerting that you have elevated mob rule as an ideal.
 
No one said it did. But the divine law or natural law needs to stop asking the civil law (the law created by a free self-governing people) to use its civil police power to enforce its
“divine law”.

Let the Supreme Court overrule Roe versus Wade! The Supreme Court interfered in divine law and and nastural law in that decision. The Catholic Church has never interfered with civil law!
 
I see that some people on this thread mention the Constitution, but not the Bill of Rights. Why? I submit to you that the Bill of Rights takes primacy over the Constitution. The Bill of Rights is more important than the Constitution! The Constitution cannot last without the Bill of Rights, but the Bill of Rights can and did last 11 years without the Constitution.

The great evil of our time is the divorce of the Bill of Rights from the Constitution. The Bill of Rights is the conscience of the Constitution. However, today the Constitution stands alone and judges have become the conscience of the Constitution. That is illegal!
 
Blessings to those who see it is a sin to vote for pro-abortion candidates.

Even more blessing to those who see that neither one of the most recent candidates where stating that they would reverse the bill on abortion. And we were to choose which candidate we thought would be the most likely to support pro-life. Life being the number one concern for Catholics.

It sure is sounding like this is becoming more about Republican vs Democratic than “it is a sin to vote for Pro-Abortion Candidates?”

I was already to vote for McCain, but kept seeing sinful actions by others stating all the reasons why Obama was for abortion. Something in me said “red flag”, I need to really take all my bias out of this and I researched everything and found Obama would do more for pro-life than McCain.

I know you are looking for the facts on this~ which you could read~ but people that bark negatives about this with such high extreme’s won’t read to “hear both sides”.

Many people are doing the barking on this and it is hurting our churches. This is sad and sinful.
 
This is what someone else had to say:

But the Truth is they do the opposite of what they say! Obama voted against the “Infants born alive Protection Act”, he is in the pockets of the abortion industry because they helped him get elected, everything he has done in his political life has supported and promoted abortion in the US and around the world, and his wife Michelle, another Ivy League Attorney, has written in defense of killing infants who were born alive during a botched abortion by arguing the same old and illegitimate lie; “the health of the mother?”
 
So . in order to be a Catholic one must now not support the two-party system? You do not see that as a threat to democracy?
In order to be a Catholic one needs to adhere to the teachigs of the Church-it has nothing whatsoever to do with politics.
 
Blessings to those who see it is a sin to vote for pro-abortion candidates.

Even more blessing to those who see that neither one of the most recent candidates where stating that they would reverse the bill on abortion. And we were to choose which candidate we thought would be the most likely to support pro-life. Life being the number one concern for Catholics.

It sure is sounding like this is becoming more about Republican vs Democratic than “it is a sin to vote for Pro-Abortion Candidates?”

I was already to vote for McCain, but kept seeing sinful actions by others stating all the reasons why Obama was for abortion. Something in me said “red flag”, I need to really take all my bias out of this and I researched everything and found Obama would do more for pro-life than McCain.

I know you are looking for the facts on this~ which you could read~ but people that bark negatives about this with such high extreme’s won’t read to “hear both sides”.

Many people are doing the barking on this and it is hurting our churches. This is sad and sinful.
When researching the facts it would have been helpoful if you researched what the Church teaches. If you found pro-life canidates to be sinful then you were under no obligation to vote for them. That did not mean you could then ignore Church teachings and vote for pro-abortion canidates. On his third day in office Obama released funds to pay for abortions and forced sterlizations overseas. He had told us he was going to do that BEFORE he was elected. Did you “research” that fact before you cast your vote? Not one single member of the Magestrium stated their were proportionate reasons that would allow a Catholic to vote for Obama. 62 Bishops explicitly stated there were not.

What is hurting our Church is people who reject its teachings and then tell those who adhere to its teachings that we are sinful for poinitng it out.
 
I see that some people on this thread mention the Constitution, but not the Bill of Rights. Why? I submit to you that the Bill of Rights takes primacy over the Constitution. The Bill of Rights is more important than the Constitution! The Constitution cannot last without the Bill of Rights, but the Bill of Rights can and did last 11 years without the Constitution.

The great evil of our time is the divorce of the Bill of Rights from the Constitution. The Bill of Rights is the conscience of the Constitution. However, today the Constitution stands alone and judges have become the conscience of the Constitution. That is illegal!
I am not sure where you learned your history. The Bill of Rights did not “last 11 years without the Constitution”. The Bill of Rights, the first ten Amendments to the Constitution, by definition, are a part of the Constitution. What are these eleven yeas you are referring to? The Constitution was written in 1787, and took effect in 1788. The Constitution was passed with the understanding that amendments would be added to protect the rights of the citizens. These amendments became known as the Bill of Rights. Seeing as how the US Constitution has been in continuous effect since 1788, and the Biill of Rights came afterward, where are these 11 missing years? Are they hanging out with Nixion’s missing 18 1/2 minutes? 😃 It is possible that you are confusing the Bill of Rights with the Articles of Confederation, which, though suitable for an interim government, could not survive long term. SO next time before you rant based on a historical point, make sure that you know the history.
 
This is what someone else had to say:

But the Truth is they do the opposite of what they say! Obama voted against the “Infants born alive Protection Act”, he is in the pockets of the abortion industry because they helped him get elected, everything he has done in his political life has supported and promoted abortion in the US and around the world, and his wife Michelle, another Ivy League Attorney, has written in defense of killing infants who were born alive during a botched abortion by arguing the same old and illegitimate lie; “the health of the mother?”
What is ironic is the ONLY people claiming that Obama was the most pro-life canidate in the last election is Catholics trying to rationalize their vote for him… Obama certainly never made that claim. The Platform of the Party he belongs to calls for unrestricred taxpayer funded abortion on demand. Every single pro-abortion organization in the country endorsed him. He has never in his life voted for a bill that would limit abortion in any way. For way too many Catholics Politics trumps Faith everytime.
 
=estesbob;6533075]In order to be a Catholic one needs to adhere to the teachigs of the Church-it has nothing whatsoever to do with politics
Who is talking about an indvidual Catholic not following Church teachings. This is about what the govt is doing not the individual.

And yes a civil democracy does matter----because it is this govt that protects your freedom to practice your faith.
 
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