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Jesus’ last words on the cross were, “It is finished.” What is finished? What is he talking about?
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Tedster
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Scott Hahn’s “The Lamb’s Supper - The Mass as Heaven on Earth” explains this quite well.
He actually describes the words as “It is consummated.” Hahn explains that Christ is consummating the New Covenant and instituting the Eucharist.
It has been sometime since I read this, but it is a good explanation of the Mass and the binding of the Old Testament law and the New Covenant.
He also gave a talk titled “The Fourth Cup” which goes into it a little more in detail.
He actually describes the words as “It is consummated.” Hahn explains that Christ is consummating the New Covenant and instituting the Eucharist.
It has been sometime since I read this, but it is a good explanation of the Mass and the binding of the Old Testament law and the New Covenant.
He also gave a talk titled “The Fourth Cup” which goes into it a little more in detail.
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Stillkickin
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It meant the Passover was finished - Jesus the Passover Lamb was sacrificed for our sins.
The Paschal Lamb at Passover – 1st Passover, when the Jews fled Egypt.
The cups of the Seder Meal: Traditionally there are four cups used. Each cup represents God’s promise to His people found in Exodus 6:6-7.
The fourth cup is the cup that Jesus said, “I will not drink again of the fruit of the vine until the kingdom of God comes.” (Luke 22:18)
Also in the garden during his Passion, Mark 14: 36 ‘Abba, Father!’ he said, ‘For you everything is possible. Take this cup away from me. But let it be as you, not I, would have it.’
PASSOVER OF LAMB vs. JESUS THE PASCHAL LAMB
10th day of Nissan: Temple lambs led into Jerusalem.
10th day of Nissan: Jesus led into Jerusalem riding on a donkey.
Passover Lambs kept at the Temple for four days for observation. Lambs had to be inspected to be sure they had no blemishes.
After Jesus was lead into the city, He was watched closely by many in the temple area over the next four days.
14th day of Nissan: The lambs have final inspection and are officially declared pure and free from blemish and placed on the altar at 9 AM
14th day of Nissan: Jesus questioned by Pilate. Pilate; “I find no fault with this man” but Jesus is still turned over to be crucified at 9 AM
3 PM: The lamb is sacrificed when the High Priest slits it throat and says “It is finished”
3 PM: when according to Scripture, Jesus voluntarily yielded up His spirit as an offering and cried, “It is finished!”
After the death of the lamb, it was taken and then thrust on a vertical pole. A horizontal pole was transfixed on this pole and the lamb was laid out on it so that its skin could be flayed. The skin on its back was removed to ensure one thing: that it was as pure on the inside as it was on the outside. The heart of the lamb was removed and all the blood was drained from it. In all of this exercise, not one bone of the lamb was broken. By dying so quickly, the Lord Jesus did not have one bone broken as did the other two men beside Him (crucifixions normally were LONG and they were expedited by the breaking of a leg bone to bring the onset of suffocation even sooner).
Also Psalms 34:19-22 fulfilled.
The blood of the lamb was shed for the redemption of the Israelites. The blood of Jesus was shed for the redemption of mankind.
The Paschal Lamb at Passover – 1st Passover, when the Jews fled Egypt.
The cups of the Seder Meal: Traditionally there are four cups used. Each cup represents God’s promise to His people found in Exodus 6:6-7.
- The Cup of Sanctification: I will bring you out from under the burdens of the Egyptians.
- The Cup of Judgment: I will deliver you from their bondage.
- The Cup of Redemption: I will also redeem you with an outstretched arm.
- The Cup of Praise: Then I will take you for my people.
The fourth cup is the cup that Jesus said, “I will not drink again of the fruit of the vine until the kingdom of God comes.” (Luke 22:18)
Also in the garden during his Passion, Mark 14: 36 ‘Abba, Father!’ he said, ‘For you everything is possible. Take this cup away from me. But let it be as you, not I, would have it.’
PASSOVER OF LAMB vs. JESUS THE PASCHAL LAMB
10th day of Nissan: Temple lambs led into Jerusalem.
10th day of Nissan: Jesus led into Jerusalem riding on a donkey.
Passover Lambs kept at the Temple for four days for observation. Lambs had to be inspected to be sure they had no blemishes.
After Jesus was lead into the city, He was watched closely by many in the temple area over the next four days.
14th day of Nissan: The lambs have final inspection and are officially declared pure and free from blemish and placed on the altar at 9 AM
14th day of Nissan: Jesus questioned by Pilate. Pilate; “I find no fault with this man” but Jesus is still turned over to be crucified at 9 AM
3 PM: The lamb is sacrificed when the High Priest slits it throat and says “It is finished”
3 PM: when according to Scripture, Jesus voluntarily yielded up His spirit as an offering and cried, “It is finished!”
After the death of the lamb, it was taken and then thrust on a vertical pole. A horizontal pole was transfixed on this pole and the lamb was laid out on it so that its skin could be flayed. The skin on its back was removed to ensure one thing: that it was as pure on the inside as it was on the outside. The heart of the lamb was removed and all the blood was drained from it. In all of this exercise, not one bone of the lamb was broken. By dying so quickly, the Lord Jesus did not have one bone broken as did the other two men beside Him (crucifixions normally were LONG and they were expedited by the breaking of a leg bone to bring the onset of suffocation even sooner).
Also Psalms 34:19-22 fulfilled.
The blood of the lamb was shed for the redemption of the Israelites. The blood of Jesus was shed for the redemption of mankind.
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SpiritMeadow
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I had always taken it to mean that Jesus was announcing that his work was finished. He had done as he was called to do, done it as completely as he could, and he was ready to return to his Father.
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iaskquestions
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And the Passover lamb is supposed to be eaten right? The Eucharist! :newidea:
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jcrichton
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Hi, iaskquestions!
…hence Jesus insistance in St. John 6:25-58: “I am the Bread of Life!”
Maran atha!
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Daniel_Marsh
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Unless I misread Hebrews ( 9 ) Jesus does not put his blood on the altar until at least after death. I am curious if he did such between his death and ressurrection or after his ressurrection? eph 4
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maryj
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If his work was finished all we would have is death. It was in His ressurection that we have life over death.
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jcrichton
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…everything that happened before Christ is symbolic ritual; as Hebrews 9:14 explains; The new era starts when Jesus offers His Blood through the Holy Spirit as the Eternal Sacrifice that will cleans us (all human kind, past, present (Christ’s contemporaries) and future) from sin. Jesus does not enter into a physical temple but a Spiritual Temple (outside of time and space) so by shedding His Blood once “it is done!”
Maran atha!
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Stillkickin
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Daniel_Marsh
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Yes, and No. Yes, they ate the cooked pasover lamb. But, they did not drink, nor eat the blood. The blood was drained and used on the door posts. Later, on the altar I imagine.Yup, forgot that part.
Stillkickin
Interresting idea,
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iaskquestions
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They did not drink the blood for it was forbidden to drink the blood of animals. Life is in the blood, scripture says. You don’t want an animal’s life to be in you! So you can’t drink an animal’s blood. But Jesus wants us to have his life in us! So, we drink his blood, just as he commanded.
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Robbinson
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Another potential meaning is by reference to Matt 5:17-18 ***("Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them.
I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished.") ***
Upon Christ’s death - His sacrafice was complete and he “fulfilled” or “finished” or “acomplished” the purpose of the Mosaic Law (the 613 commandments), other than the moral law (the 10 commandments) which continues, as amplified and explained in a spiritual sense by Jesus in the beattitudes.
Blessings,
Brian
I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished.") ***
Upon Christ’s death - His sacrafice was complete and he “fulfilled” or “finished” or “acomplished” the purpose of the Mosaic Law (the 613 commandments), other than the moral law (the 10 commandments) which continues, as amplified and explained in a spiritual sense by Jesus in the beattitudes.
Blessings,
Brian
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jcrichton
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Hi, Brian!
…but why would Christ’s death signify the completion of the Mosaic Law?
His introduction by John the Baptist is “the Lamb of God who takes away the sins of the world…”
“It is finished.” How could this statement signify the old practices of the Mosaic Law are completed in me/this act?
Maran atha!
Angel
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Robbinson
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Hi Angel - Jesus did indeed come to “fulfill” the Law. That is why we are no longer subject to the 613 commandments contained within the Torah (Mosaic Law), other than the moral law (10 commandments). Are you suggesting that we remain subject to the other laws (the substantial majority of which related to the Levitical priesthood replaced/fulfilled by Christ who is a priest forever in the order of Melchesedek.)? I believe the Catholic Church position is that the 10 commandments continues (I agree, except that the Sabbath is fulfilled in our rest in Christ (Hebrews), and we celebrate Sunday as the Lord’s day consistent with the rythm of God’s plan of 1 day of rest and in memory of the resurrection. The other 9 commandments continue - the balance of the Mosaic Law (dietary laws, laws of sacrafice, laws of purification, etc are fufilled by Christ).
Blessings,
Brian
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myredeemerlives
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It is finished means that His ministry is over and the sacrifice He came to pay is done!
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MIZER
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How is His ministry over? Does He no longer minister to His people? Even a protestant minister contiues in ministry after His retirement. He is forever a pastor, is he not? He may not preach from the pulpit but he still may perform weddings and other pastoral duties. I don’t think Christ’s “ministry” is over. He is a priest forever and His ministry, like His priesthood is perpetual.
Also, something bothers me about the way you phrase yourself. True, Christ’s physical sacrifice is done, “once for all,” but it too is perpetual in a supernatural sense. We enter into that same sacrifice during the mass. We have Christ in us through the sacrament(s) and we are also, “In Christ.” As such, in a certain sense we are Christ (we are the church, the very body of Christ) and through our own suffering in this life, we may partake in this mystery of a perpetual sacrifice as we take up our cross, and bear our burdens, “in Him, with Him and through Him,” on a daily basis.
Perhaps I am misunderstanding you. Can you explain in more detail what you mean?
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Odell
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What do you mean by he came to pay?
We may be on the same page but I want to know what you mean by Jesus came to pay. Pay what?
Also what does Jesus ministry have to do with our justification? Again just wanting to know we are on the same page
God bless
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myredeemerlives
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I mean His earthly ministry is over and He came to pay the punishment for our sins on the cross by taking our penalty for our sins upon Himself. Which is what he means when He says when “It is finished!”
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Odell
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acording to you what did Jesus being punished do?
It did not justify you
**"He was delivered over to death for our sins and was raised to life for our justification. (Romans 4:25) **
How can your sins be paid for but your not justified at the moment of them being paid off? Remember he was raised for our justification.
Catholics say the Passover was what was finished but why do we say this
the passover begain in the upper room where Jesus said “Im not going to taste the fruit of the vine again until my kingdom come.” (Mk 14:25)
Jesus asked for this cup to pass over him in the garden
Jesus refused a drink when carrying the cross
Jesus on the Cross said
“in order to fulfill the scripture he said I Thirst.”
You cant tell me he was not thirsty when someone asked him to drink carring the cross
But in order to fulfill scripture he thirst
what was he fulfilling?
Catholics say the fact that he was the Passsover Lamb He drinks that last cup and now the passover is finished. Just as the Old passover ended with the last cup.
“Its finished” The passover is done but We keep the feast
(1st Cor 5). its says “Christ our Passover has been sacrificed for us.” Therefore What? Therefore we dont have anything more to do. No. He says “Christ our Passover has been sacraficed; therfore let us keep the feast.”
Just as the Jews kept the passover feast. We keep the feast as well Christ being our lamb.
Its finished but Jesus is still slain in Heaven why? because this passover is perpetual jsut as the Jews believe there passover to be.
“Now the point in what we are saying is this: we have such a high priest, one who is seated at the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in heaven, (Jesus) a minister in the holy places, in the true tent that the Lord set up, not man. **For every high priest is appointed to offer gifts and sacrifices; thus it is necessary for this priest also to have something to offer.” **(Hebrews 8:1-3)
Christ is still offering the passover to us he still slain remember
(Hebrews 12:22-24) “No, YOU have approached Mount Zion and the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and countless angels in FESTAL gathering, and the assembly of the firstborn enrolled in heaven, and God the judge of all, and the spirits just made perfect, and Jesus, the mediator of a new covenant, and the sprinkled blood that speaks more eloquently than that of Abel.”
When the Jews celebrated the Passover, they celebrate that very sacrifice that happened when God passed over their houses. Every year the Passover was believed to be part of the original Passover sacrifice. “When your children ask you ‘what does this rite of yours mean’? You shall reply, ‘this IS the Passover sacrifice of the Lord who passed over the houses of the Israelites in Egypt; when he struck down the Egyptians and he spared our houses’.” Exodus 12:26-27.
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