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At_Trent
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That’s what I meant basically. Even if one doesn’t have magic as a second thought, some of the mistakes a sorcerer might make can be made by an innocent party.
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Jaelithe
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Not sure I entirely understand your line of reasoning.
Please clarify: Is it your assertion that a spontaneous, heartfelt prayer that specifically invokes your personal guardian angel—the one assigned you by the Almighty—might serve instead to draw demonic attention … even if in said prayer you address the angel simply by that title, i.e. “Guardian Angel”?
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pnewton
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I do not see how you get that. There are four verbs in this sentence that has St. Michael as the object (the one invoked) and only one with God, and that is a third person imperative.
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pnewton
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Then there is this prayer:
Angel of God, my guardian dear
To whom God’s love entrusts me here
Every this day be at my side
To watch and guard
To rule and guide.
This is directed at our guardian angel specifically.
Angel of God, my guardian dear
To whom God’s love entrusts me here
Every this day be at my side
To watch and guard
To rule and guide.
This is directed at our guardian angel specifically.
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At_Trent
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Pretty much spelled out "Divine power of God "
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pnewton
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That is the means, as indicated by the preposition “by”. The invocation is directed as St. Michael.Pretty much spelled out "Divine power of God "
I think it would still be unwise to try and evoke a guardian angel by name, even if one included “by the power of God” or “in the name of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit.”
I do not see an issue with praying directly to our guardian angel, or any other angel, using the name, if it is given (Michael, Rafael or Gabriel) or no name if the Church advises us not to (we do not* know* this name anyway).
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NeedImprovement
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To provide a little more perspective to what we’ve been discussing, satan and his minions cannot read our minds. They can’t read our thoughts.
However we would be hard pressed to find an adversary more skilled at taking an educated guess in that area.
It is within our power to present whatever of our thoughts we deem suitable to our guardian Angels in prayer .
However we would be hard pressed to find an adversary more skilled at taking an educated guess in that area.
It is within our power to present whatever of our thoughts we deem suitable to our guardian Angels in prayer .
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Purple_Junebug
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Does it really matter if we name our Gaurdian Angel or not? We can still have a nice relationship with our Gaurdian Angel. We do not know God’s real name (it is not Yaweh) but we still love Him right? I think y’all are making a big deal out of nothing. If you don’t want to name your gaurdian angel, then don’t; if you do, there is nothing wrong with it, just be careful. Keep in mind that angels are heavenly bodies and are neither male nor female, so if you think you have a boy angel or a girl angel, you’re wrong haha
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Gregory_I
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It depends on what level of “mind” you mean. He can read surface thoughts, like things you are just about to say, but he cannot read our hearts deepest intentions.
This must be true, because telepathic events DO happen, and if telepathy is a gift of Satan and HE functions as the telepathic “link” then how can two people know one anothers thoughts but not him?
This must be true, because telepathic events DO happen, and if telepathy is a gift of Satan and HE functions as the telepathic “link” then how can two people know one anothers thoughts but not him?
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Monica4316
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I tend to agree with the OP…
I recently listened to a talk by an FSSP priest and he was talking about demons and exorcism… he says that exorcists never say the demon’s name unless it’s during the ritual… because they only have authority over them during the ritual. If a person says a demon’s name otherwise (excepting the names of demons we know from Scripture), that gives the enemy more power, because their names essentially describe their functions…
if someone gives a name to their Guardian Angel, or asks them their name and reveive an answer, that could be from the Angel, but not necessarily. It could also be a deception. What if someone would start calling their Angel by a demon’s name? That is very dangerous. I think since the Vatican discourages this practice, it is wise to follow this advice…
God bless
I recently listened to a talk by an FSSP priest and he was talking about demons and exorcism… he says that exorcists never say the demon’s name unless it’s during the ritual… because they only have authority over them during the ritual. If a person says a demon’s name otherwise (excepting the names of demons we know from Scripture), that gives the enemy more power, because their names essentially describe their functions…
if someone gives a name to their Guardian Angel, or asks them their name and reveive an answer, that could be from the Angel, but not necessarily. It could also be a deception. What if someone would start calling their Angel by a demon’s name? That is very dangerous. I think since the Vatican discourages this practice, it is wise to follow this advice…
God bless
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NeedImprovement
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I could see, in certain situations, how an inordinate devotion might distort into a situation where some of the love due to God Himself might erroneously be directed towards one’s Guardian Angel. In such a case, nothing could be more displeasing to that Angel . If we understand that our relationships’ first tie with the holy Angels is as “fellow servants” , whatever follows is less likely to become distorted.
During the celebration of the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass, I’ll often ask my guardian Angel to present my intentions to our Blessed Mother (Queen of Angels) - intentions of praise,petition, thanksgiving - very personal things too in areas that need a lot of work, so that they can all be placed on the paten at the Offertory ; then Christ- our Blessed Lord can take them all to Himself and offer them to the Father.
I don’t see how any demon would ever be able to know those particular intentions. Actually, that thought (of them reading those intentions) never came to mind before participating in this thread.
Let’s put it into perspective. Follow the Church’s guidelines given for our benefit, but as a very dear priest friend used to tell me,: “Quantum potes tantum aude…” (as much as you can do, so much dare to do) . I dare to endeavor to cultiate a deeper relationship with my guardian Angel, - this *brother of my soul *,while always keeping within the guidelines our Holy Catholic church, in Her wisdom, recommends to help us continue our earthly pilgrimage.
During the celebration of the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass, I’ll often ask my guardian Angel to present my intentions to our Blessed Mother (Queen of Angels) - intentions of praise,petition, thanksgiving - very personal things too in areas that need a lot of work, so that they can all be placed on the paten at the Offertory ; then Christ- our Blessed Lord can take them all to Himself and offer them to the Father.
I don’t see how any demon would ever be able to know those particular intentions. Actually, that thought (of them reading those intentions) never came to mind before participating in this thread.
Let’s put it into perspective. Follow the Church’s guidelines given for our benefit, but as a very dear priest friend used to tell me,: “Quantum potes tantum aude…” (as much as you can do, so much dare to do) . I dare to endeavor to cultiate a deeper relationship with my guardian Angel, - this *brother of my soul *,while always keeping within the guidelines our Holy Catholic church, in Her wisdom, recommends to help us continue our earthly pilgrimage.
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glarryb
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Interesting, I did not know people were doing things like that. naming your guardian angel Like a pet? My mother claims to know her guardian angels name, she did not need to give it one. Careful Paul warns about worshiping angels.
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Layman
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Here’s a notion:
Your interaction with your guardian angel should be limited to: “Thanks, pal”, then get on with your own sanctification. Unless you’re a living saint.
There’s a New-Age occult subculture revolving around angels. Funny thing is, fans don’t seem to want to follow up to the logical conclusion: If there are angels, do God, Jesus, Mary, the Devil and demons exist and therefore is Christianity true?
Might be a bit too upsetting for 'em, eh?
Your interaction with your guardian angel should be limited to: “Thanks, pal”, then get on with your own sanctification. Unless you’re a living saint.
There’s a New-Age occult subculture revolving around angels. Funny thing is, fans don’t seem to want to follow up to the logical conclusion: If there are angels, do God, Jesus, Mary, the Devil and demons exist and therefore is Christianity true?
Might be a bit too upsetting for 'em, eh?
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NeedImprovement
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I believe my guardian Angel can help with my sanctification - the salvation of our souls is always the priority. So I personally wouldn’t sever communications at that point. The Church only discourages us from naming or seeking the name of our Angels. Again, we should be cautious of trying to tell others how to proceed with private devotion when they remain well within the guidelines recommended by the Church.
Cart before the horse…?..:doh2: …then don’t even acknowledge why the cart exists…?..:doh2:…Probably won’t roll too far before flipping over……
There’s a New-Age occult subculture revolving around angels. Funny thing is, fans don’t seem to want to follow up to the logical conclusion: If there are angels, do God, Jesus, Mary, the Devil and demons exist and therefore is Christianity true?
Might be a bit too upsetting for 'em, eh?
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NeedImprovement
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Maybe if we do this, the rest will just follow naturally in order:
St. Paul on love :1 Corinthians 13:1
" If I speak in human and angelic tongues but do not have love, I am a resounding gong or a clashing cymbal.”
St. Peter Julian Eymard on love :
“Love cannot triumph unless it becomes the one passion of our life. Without such passion we may produce isolated acts of love; but our life is not really won over or consecrated to an ideal. Until we have a passionate love for our Lord in the Most Blessed Sacrament we shall accomplish nothing.”
St. Paul on love :1 Corinthians 13:1
" If I speak in human and angelic tongues but do not have love, I am a resounding gong or a clashing cymbal.”
St. Peter Julian Eymard on love :
“Love cannot triumph unless it becomes the one passion of our life. Without such passion we may produce isolated acts of love; but our life is not really won over or consecrated to an ideal. Until we have a passionate love for our Lord in the Most Blessed Sacrament we shall accomplish nothing.”
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Adam_Cook
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I’d just like to make a quick statement. Someone said that the angels are over us in the spiritual scheme of things. I’d like to point out that you are wrong my friend. We are the Kings of Heaven, Sons/Daughters of God, adopted by the Blood of Jesus Christ our Lord. If we considered kings and the angels are servants of God, If Christ is THE KING of Heaven and the Earth and he can control the angels cause he was the Son of God. Then what makes the angels over us? It doesn’t we have the power to command the angels not the other way around.
This world is influenced by the spiritual war taking place in the spiritual scheme of things but, that does not make them over us. We have the power to command the angels in heaven, only by the power of Christ our Lord. We CALL out to our Angels for aid, like a General calls out to a soldier to aid him in battle. Now of course I will say this, just because we are over them and can command them doesn’t mean that we should, but we can. Its like a Lieutenant telling a First Sergeant or a Sergeant Major to do something. He can do it, but it doesn’t mean he should.
There is no difference in the Militaristic status that is heaven and earth. We are constantly at war. I cannot stress that enough, since the beginning of time we are at war with our flesh, Satan and the world that we live that lives to feed off of itself and its own selfish desires.
Remember this, we are the foolish ignorant Lieutenant and the angels are the experienced first sergeant or sergeant major. We rely on Christ as our High Priest and King, our angels to protect us and guide us as we make our way in this life and ourselves to make the decisions that will lead us to glorify the Father in heaven. As for naming angels, do not do it. I honestly can’t stress that enough. They have names and you need not know it. Many people have fallen into worshiping angels, but this shouldn’t happen. You should refer to your angel as “My Guardian” only, because it allows us to fully give the Glory to God. To call upon Christ Jesus, instead of reliance on our guardian. In this we give God the glory and not our angel. Seek reliance in God all the time and our Guardian most of the time.
God Bless.
This world is influenced by the spiritual war taking place in the spiritual scheme of things but, that does not make them over us. We have the power to command the angels in heaven, only by the power of Christ our Lord. We CALL out to our Angels for aid, like a General calls out to a soldier to aid him in battle. Now of course I will say this, just because we are over them and can command them doesn’t mean that we should, but we can. Its like a Lieutenant telling a First Sergeant or a Sergeant Major to do something. He can do it, but it doesn’t mean he should.
There is no difference in the Militaristic status that is heaven and earth. We are constantly at war. I cannot stress that enough, since the beginning of time we are at war with our flesh, Satan and the world that we live that lives to feed off of itself and its own selfish desires.
Remember this, we are the foolish ignorant Lieutenant and the angels are the experienced first sergeant or sergeant major. We rely on Christ as our High Priest and King, our angels to protect us and guide us as we make our way in this life and ourselves to make the decisions that will lead us to glorify the Father in heaven. As for naming angels, do not do it. I honestly can’t stress that enough. They have names and you need not know it. Many people have fallen into worshiping angels, but this shouldn’t happen. You should refer to your angel as “My Guardian” only, because it allows us to fully give the Glory to God. To call upon Christ Jesus, instead of reliance on our guardian. In this we give God the glory and not our angel. Seek reliance in God all the time and our Guardian most of the time.
God Bless.
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vera_dicere
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Why would anyone want to name their guardian angle? They already have a name.
I just asked God to reveal my GA’s name to me. He did. Now I know, and knowing is half the battle.
I just asked God to reveal my GA’s name to me. He did. Now I know, and knowing is half the battle.
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Jaelithe
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Let me guess: Obtuse?
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Adam_Cook
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The Problem is that you can never truly know. Its so dangerous, don’t use that “knowing is half the battle” line cause it doesn’t work. Yes knowing is half the battle, but that half can be against you. Do you not understand the significant destruction you place yourself in by asking for your Angel’s name? You can never really know. It could be some demon that heard your prayer and wants to seek to guide you away from God. Be believing you are opening the door for Satan to walk in.
Walk away from this one, this isn’t something you NEED to know. Know he’s there and that’s all that counts, otherwise go the other way. Stop focusing on the angel and start focusing on the true power of the universe, Jesus Christ. You can’t make demons flee from you by knowing your Angel’s name, but they will run back to hell when you speak the name of Christ. Don’t leave any spot open, don’t let any line break and if it does repent to God and strengthen it with the grace and mercy of God alone.
Walk away from this one, this isn’t something you NEED to know. Know he’s there and that’s all that counts, otherwise go the other way. Stop focusing on the angel and start focusing on the true power of the universe, Jesus Christ. You can’t make demons flee from you by knowing your Angel’s name, but they will run back to hell when you speak the name of Christ. Don’t leave any spot open, don’t let any line break and if it does repent to God and strengthen it with the grace and mercy of God alone.
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Jaelithe
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How does the old cliche go? "That information is given out on a need-to-know basis …
“… and you don’t need to know.”
“… and you don’t need to know.”
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