It is NOT immoral to vote for Democrats

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Augustinian said:
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I personally felt he was better qualified and sincerely believed he would make a better POTUS than Mr. Trump.

I exercised my right to vote and my conscience was and remains at peace with my decision.
 
phil19034 said:
Of course you can vote for pro-life democrats.
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But what if you have studied the issue and believe the best approach to stopping abortion is sex education, contraception, adoption and foster care, equal women’s rights in the workplace, healthcare, support of the poor, and so forth?

Being pro-life doesn’t mean throwing doctors and young pregnant women in jail.
Being pro-life doesn’t mean taking away a woman’s right to choose.

Compare with being pro-gun control - it doesn’t mean law-abiding citizens aren’t entitled to own firearms.
 
ChristMyLife said:
I’ve seen people here say it’s immoral to vote for Democrats.

The Church does not teach that voting for Democrats is immoral. (Or any other mainstream US political party for that matter - Democratic, Republican, Independent, or Libertarian).

The idea that voting for Democrats is immoral is wrong on many levels, and I hope the more knowledgeable CAF’rs will help explain why.
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Voting intelligently requires looking at more than the party affiliation of the candidate. The most important considerations are what policies this person will be in a position to affect, and what are their positions on those policies?

There’s a big difference in homework required before voting for a county precinct commissioner, and voting for a U. S. Senator. Saying that voting for one of the major parties is, in any and all cases, immoral would be nonsense.
 
It is a right in Europe and thank God for it!

And we should listen to Pope Emeritus Benedict XVI, who said in a 2010 address:

https://www.commonwealmagazine.org/pope-says-universal-health-care-inalienable-right

"It is necessary to work with greater commitment at all levels so that the right to health is rendered effective, favoring access to primary health care," Benedict said in a message on Thursday to the 25th annual conference of the Vatican office that promotes health care ministry.“Health justice should be among the priorities of governments and international institutions,” he added.The pope said that establishing this goal requires “a true distributive justice that guarantees to all, on the basis of objective needs, adequate care,” and he said "the social doctrine of the Church has always evidenced the importance of distributive justice and of social justice in the different sectors of human relations."Benedict’s secretary of state and second-in-command, Cardinal Tarcisio Bertone, read the papal statement to the annual conference of the Pontifical Council for Health Care Ministry and then delivered remarks that were even clearer than the pontiff’s.“Justice requires guaranteed universal access to health care,” Bertone said, adding that the provision of minimal levels of medical attention to all is "commonly accepted as a fundamental human right."
 
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I couldn’t vote for Trump or Hillary. For the first time, I had to write in a candidate. I never thought I’d see a US government like this in my lifetime. I have no party loyalty.
 
RealisticCatholic said:
The point of this thread is to determine whether you can be Catholic and vote Democrat.

And you can. Like it or not, you can
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Precisely.

IMO, it is a moral error in and of itself to try to bully, threaten, or intimidate Catholics into voting for one party over the other by coercing them and telling them they can go to hell for supporting x party.

Let’s be clear here:

The Republicans are NOT the NSDAP (Nazi Party)

The Democrats are NOT the CPSU (the Communist Party of the Soviet Union)

Anybody making such claims is being overly reactionary and emotional, and probably is doing it because they’re driven by an attachment to one parties ideology or allegiance to one party over the other.

I stand by my initial assertions.

Catholics can in good conscience vote for any US Party - Democrat, Republican, Independent, Libertarian - with the caveat that they can’t support anything those parties do which is against Catholic teaching.
 
phil19034 said:
I think God is using Trump to expose the rot in American society, the media, and our political system.
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Trump, as many political leaders throughout history, are using religious person’s faith to get their votes.
Populist leaders go after three groups historically:
  • The uneducated
  • The racists and bigots
  • The religious
I am NOT saying all people that vote Republican are in the above categories. I am saying Trump uses psychological ploys and other known techniques to trick people into supporting him. Attacking the media and constant lying are right out of the history books. People in the above groups are the easiest to fool. Don’t be offended, it’s history and psychology.
 
ChristMyLife said:
I personally felt he was better qualified and sincerely believed he would make a better POTUS than Mr. Trump.

I exercised my right to vote and my conscience was and remains at peace with my decision.
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Everyone has to make their own judgment on this kind of thing. But Donald J. Trump was the boss of a billion dollar worldwide organization responsible for thousands of staff before becoming President. I don’t see how that makes hims “unqualified”.
 
LateCatholic said:
On the other hand…
The Republican party is the official home of bigots, racists, sexists, war-mongers, neo-Nazis, anti-science and anti-education, and anyone who hates the poor and down-trodden. They just don’t want to admit it.
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I’m going to be honest with you right now. My entire family (including the ones on my mother’s side who are all Puerto Ricans) are Republicans.

My brother’s son is black.

My other brother’s best friend is black.

I grew up in rural Delaware, where a lot of the poor and “down-trodden” are Republicans themselves.

I know lots of doctors, MBAs. lawyers, accountants, who are very pro-education and pro science who are republicans.

I even know physicists who are university professors who are republicans.

Finally, I have met SEVERAL racists, sexists, and bigots who are DEMOCRATS.

Dirt bags are in both parties.

But let me tell you something… my mom is Puerto Rican. I have an Italian last name, so there are many people who do NOT know I’m 1/2 Puerto Rican. In my life, I have NEVER heard a Republican make durogatory remarks about Hispanics in my presence. But I have heard many liberals do so. One woman said to me when I mentioned I was thinking about going to Six Flags, “don’t go there this weekend, the Puerto Ricans will be there for the Puerto Rican Day parade. The last thing you want is to be surrounded by a bunch of Puerto Ricans!”

Again… THEY WERE ALL DEMOCRATS and they didn’t know I’m half Puerto Rican.

Now, granted, I have had one CATHOLIC FARMER discriminate against me and not allow me to date his daughter because Spain and Italy were “too close to Africa” for him. The devastated me - I was only in 10th grade.

So I’ve had my share of bigots – esp growing up 1/2 Puerto Rican and Catholic in an anti-Catholic school district.

BTW- my wife is Jewish from New York City and BOTH of her parents vote Republican too. And my father-in-law went to school with Chuck Schumer and is extremely disappointed in him and will be voting straight republican ticket today on Long Island.

Again - there are total dirt bags in both parties, but what the do the parties officially stand for? Republicans are not neo-nazis because we stand by Israel. Who shot up the synagogue, a life long democrat who just switched to the Republican party and who hated Trump. My thought, he switched to vote against someone in a primary. Who vandalized the synagogue in NYC? A democrat activists who used to work for the NYC Mayor’s office.

God bless.
 
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I’m really offended. I’ve studied demographic and social trends in the US for decades. The current President is an uncivilized anomaly.
 
LateCatholic said:
The Republican party is the official home of bigots, racists, sexists, war-mongers, neo-Nazis, anti-science and anti-education, and anyone who hates the poor and down-trodden. They just don’t want to admit it.
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Viewpoints like this are why Trump won, honestly. Democrats have spent years dehumanizing, labeling and demonizing repilublicans and then someone like Trump came along and stood up against it, no matter how crudely, and democrats are shocked that he resonates with so many people? Keep dehumanizing and labeling, if you want republican support to just keep growing.
 
ChristMyLife said:
with the caveat that they can’t support anything those parties do which is against Catholic teaching.
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You are never going to find a candidate that 100% supports Catholic teaching. The Pope has recently said Climate Change is real and must be minimized. He has also said the Death Penalty is immoral. He has also said we should treat homosexuals as equals. He has also said we should support the poor.
All of the above are contrary to republican policy.

This is not to say you should vote one way or the other. I’ve voted Republican in the recent past. In fact, this election is the first I ever voted straight Democrat. Ever. I despise the current Republican climate that much, so full of hatred has it become.
 
LateCatholic said:
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phil19034:
I think God is using Trump to expose the rot in American society, the media, and our political system.
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Trump, as many political leaders throughout history, are using religious person’s faith to get their votes.
Populist leaders go after three groups historically:
  • The uneducated
  • The racists and bigots
  • The religious
I am NOT saying all people that vote Republican are in the above categories. I am saying Trump uses psychological ploys and other known techniques to trick people into supporting him. Attacking the media and constant lying are right out of the history books. People in the above groups are the easiest to fool. Don’t be offended, it’s history and psychology.
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The Democrats do that too with their identity politics. The Dems today closely follow Saul Alinsky’s Rules for Radicals. Trump on the other hand is just borrowing from the Democrat’s play book.

Also A LOT of what Trump is saying is EXACTLY what Obama, Sanders, Schumer, Hillary, Bill Clinton, etc were all saying during the Clinton and Bush administrations.
 
Gingersnaps4 said:
Viewpoints like this are why Trump won, honestly. Democrats have spent years dehumanizing, labeling and demonizing repilublicans and then someone like Trump came along and stood up against it, no matter how crudely, and democrats are shocked that he resonates with so many people? Keep dehumanizing and labeling, if you want republican support to just keep growing.
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If you read the full thread, you will note my response was a sarcastic response to someone who FIRST did the same about the Democrats.
 
Gingersnaps4 said:
Trump came along and stood up against it, no matter how crudely, and democrats are shocked that he resonates with so many people?
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Keep in mind Trump did not win the popular vote, and Republican control of Congress is universally agreed to be the result of unfair districting. I’m a moderate, although socially I lean left. However, even I am worried about the result of what Republicans have done. Imagine ten years from now if the Democrats are able to redistrict like the Republicans have. The Republicans would never, ever control Congress - even as a moderate party.
 
I don’t like the pelican logo. It seems too much of a southern US, Gulf Coast symbol. Like something you’d see on a sign for a yacht club
 
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