It is NOT immoral to vote for Democrats

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Let’s see, Planned Parenthood clinics demonstrably set up overwhelmingly in minority neighborhoods. One can read how minorities have higher abortion rates, per some sources, African Americans abortion rate is 3 to 5 times higher than whites. Great government intervention there. This is what to expect if govt is involved.

State’s with the most homelesness, does anyone need to be told it is NY and California? Does this tell us anything?

Sure, let the government handle things.
 
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edwest said:
100 Largest Charities in the US. 2017 list
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Salvation Army (#4) and Red Cross (#20) are AWESOME charities which I love and suppoet with all my heart…

Interestingly, the top 3 charities listed on that list I have never even heard of until just now - and I’m a person who is in a class just above the poorest of the poor in America, and have much experience with various charities and assistance programs.
 
Augustinian said:
“Society” is not synonymous with “government”, much less “US Federal Government”
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If you are a U.S. citizen we believe “our” government is of the people. Our officials do not buy their way in, (debatable at times) they are elected. They are not from Royal descent, they come from within the society.

The GOP has suffered the American public with 8 years of complaint regarding the ACA law, and 2 years to repeal or replace. (Since healthcare is part of this discussion right now)

And they give us the following answer/solution to a very real American dilemma that even the Church has needed to weigh in on:
There it is. Not too impressed.
 
Victoria33 said:
State’s with the most homelesnes, does anyone need to be told it is NY and California? Does this tell us anything?

Sue, let the government handle things
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We can fight against what the Govt does wrong while supporting what the Govt does right.

The same way we can fight against what those in the Church do wrong and support what those in the Church do right (notice how I worded that - only PEOPLE in the Church can do wrong - the Church Herself as the Spotless Bride of Christ can do no wrong).
 
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Very sick stuff. An evil we must fight against.

Abortion is disgusting. And the “pioneers” of it are certainly no saints.
 
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DENNYINMI said:
The GOP has suffered the American public with 8 years of complaint regarding the ACA law,
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The Republicans had no (name removed by moderator)ut into the ACA, none whatsoever. Indeed the bill was passed only by fancy parliamentarian maneuvers with a bare minimum of partisan votes from the Democrats. Further, the act didn’t do what it promised to do- people didn’t save $2500 a year in health costs and too many folks could not keep their plan and/or their doctors.

Unfortunately the Democrats haven’t taken any responsibility to repair it, and I haven’t seen any realistic plans from their party leadership on fixing health care that are actually passable to a majority of Congress.
 
Augustinian said:
The Republicans had no (name removed by moderator)ut into the ACA,
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But wasn’t that because they opposed the very idea of healthcare for all?

Had they not been opposed to the basic premise I’m sure they would have been consulted in hammering out the actual details and intricacies of the bill… No?
 
San Francisco is a great example of what happens to the down trodden in an area with hard left politics. Actually people tend to be worse off poverty and violence wise the more liberal an area gets.

But, it’s a false talking point to state that Republicans don’t want as safety net for people going through troubled times. They also want to respect the dignity of a person and give him a purpose, and a sense of self worth to be able to help himself if he or she is able. I feel like the “pro life” (welfare etc) aspect of democrats are far outweighed by the total immorality of almost all the rest of their platform. At democratic rallies they even boo God, for goodness sake! They are anti-God, anti-life, and pro-immorality, and they label and demonize those with differing views. Christians of any devoutness are actually persona non grata with most Democrats that are more to the left of being a moderate democrat. That said, while I can’t personally manage the mental gymnastics needed to flip things around and say the democrats are more moral, the church doesn’t state that any one party is immoral so a person is still free to decide for themselves using whatever logic they want to, basically.
 
They don’t wear crowns or robes anymore but we still live in feudal times. There are cities around me that can be identified as “old money” and “new money.” I’ve known a few people from the ‘old money’ side. The bottom line is this: many - not all - will do anything they have to to hold on to their wealth and to make sure their legacy gets passed on. A small fraction of the population of the United States owns 80% of the wealth. Some of the wealthy are content to lead wealthy and benign lives. Some are activists.

Here are the poverty lines as published in the Federal Register:

|1| $12,140
|2| 16,460
|3| 20,780
|4| 25,100

Numbers inside vertical lines indicate the number of persons in the household.
 
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You weren’t addressing me but my contention isn’t that the Democrats are more moral.

Honestly, IMO, both of the parties support gravely immoral things in their official platforms.

Which makes it a tough decision for me to decide which sort of evil I want to be okay with.

It’s a seriously tough call to make.

My only point though was that whichever Party a Catholic chooses to vote for, they can be confident it’s no more sinful or immoral than if they had voted for the other party, since both parties contain official party platform teachings which stand in contradiction to Church teaching.
 
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Augustinian said:
The Republicans had no (name removed by moderator)ut into the ACA, none whatsoever
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I would respectfully request you begin some homework on the content of the workings of the ACA.

IT IS essentially a Republican think tank solution that was hailed as grand by the Heritage foundation, quite a few Republican Senators at the time, Newt Gingrich and other Conservative Think Tanks…because it offered a “market” solution to find what you needed and purchase it.

The thinking was that those (possibly college students) who didn’t require large scale medical needs might do well to have only catastrophic, while mom and dad may need more.

They were tired of paying for that “accidental” emergency when uninsured Joe showed up in the E.R. and required emergency care in which case the American public paid for it anyways!~

Granted President Obama put stipulation into it for the inability of insurance companies to deny pre-existing conditions (a great thing!~!~) but it’s essentially taken from the same mold.

Romney put it first into effect in 2006 as the Governor of Mass. in 2006
 
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ChristMyLife said:
But wasn’t that because they opposed the very idea of healthcare for all?
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That’s true, the Republicans generally favor only a safety net for indigent individuals and families, allowing those who are able to manage their own affairs to do exactly that. It becomes very problematic to administer health care services for EVERYONE, instead of only those who aren’t able to do it on their own.
 
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That’s true, the Republicans generally favor only a safety net for indigent individuals and families, allowing those who are able to manage their own affairs to do exactly that. It becomes very problematic to administer health care services for EVERYONE, instead of only those who aren’t able to do it on their own.
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They were the original craftsmen of the Affordable Care Act. And that is FACT.
 
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Augustinian said:
true, the Republicans generally favor only a safety net for indigent individuals and families, allowing those who are able to manage their own affairs to do exactly that.
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If that was truly the case then I would side with the Republicans.

That sounds both fair and Christian to my ears.
 
ChristMyLife said:
My only point though was that whichever Party a Catholic chooses to vote for, they can be confident it’s no more sinful or immoral than if they had voted for the other party, since both parties contain official party platform teachings which stand in contradiction to Church teaching.
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No, that’s not right, it’s not proportional and it’s not a moral equivalence, 1,000,000 abortions a year does not compare to a dozen states with the death penalty that might execute altogether, 12-20 people a year. That is moral relativism and no thank you.
 
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