It is NOT immoral to vote for Democrats

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phil19034 said:
Also, I personally believe that part of the 2nd Amendment was to allow the STATES (not individuals) to raise a militia to fight against a Federal govt gone rogue.

So while I personally do not like AR-15s, etc. If you outlaw them, then if the federal govt is ever overthrown by a totalitarian regime, it becomes harder for the States to raise a militia to declare war on the federal govt.

In my view, that is the ultimate purpose of the 2nd Amendment.
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I mean no disrespect, seriously (you wrote it out thoughtfully) and I’d like to respond on a serious note and just as respectfully…

This may have been true at the time it was written into the amendment but I would suggest to you that if the government went “rogue” and was after you, you would not stand a chance against a tomahawk missile or smart bomb. j/s
 
DENNYINMI said:
This may have been true at the time it was written into the amendment but I would suggest to you that if the government went “rogue” and was after you, you would not stand a chance against a tomahawk missile or smart bomb. j/s
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I totally agree.

The argument that “our guns protect us from tyranny” is bunk.

In the 18th and 19th century it was legitimate.

But since about the WW1 time to the present it’s become a bunk, obsolete argument.

Your AR-15 or AK-47 or whatever small arms you own will do absolutely nothing vs attack helicopters, M1 Abrams tanks, APC’s, F22 and F35 jets, and a million other military weapons.

You could take every gun owner in the US and put them all throughout the State of Texas, and you could call in 1,000 troops from each of the 5 Armed Forces with all their weaponry and technology and guess who’s gonna win?

My bet is the 5,000 US Military members are gonna massacre the millions of gun owners fortifying Texas within 1 year.

And I speak this as a United States Air Force Veteran.
 
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FatherMerrin said:
It’s such a slap in the face to holocaust victims to even try to draw a comparison between our president and Hitler. I think it’s on a par with halocaust denial, at best it’s holocaust minimilization and it’s a hysterical conspiracy theory to boot. It makes “birthers” look tame by comparison.
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This is crazy. I won’t defend everything Trump says, and I didn’t vote for him in the primary, but its crazy to compare him to Hitler, and its not productive. Trump speaks out against illegal immigration…I have not heard him speak out against legal immigration. Trump is not advocating the murder of millions…

but…

you know who does defend and support the killing of hundreds of thousands every year, and millions in total??? Hmmm…who could that be? Which party defends “Mengele-like” behavior? Hmmm…who could that be???
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But if the frog isn’t doing anything like hitler, then the frog isn’t going to suddenly start killing millions of other frogs. Yes, he insults the media when they report falsely, and that’s it. I don’t blame him. My local media channel twisted the headline on the story about him saying that false reporting is the enemy. They twisted it to say that he said that the media was the enemy. That takes some gall on their part, they are shameless at this point. So many of the outlets twist anything he does, and don’t report on anything positive. As for the rest, pshhht. He isn’t going to disarm anyone, he is pro-gun ownership. You cannot pull a hitler if you don’t disarm the citizenry. Some people have a case of the screaming meemies.
 
Catholics have a moral obligation to promote the common good through the exercise of their voting privileges (cf. CCC 2240). It is not just civil authorities who have responsibility for a country. “Service of the common good require citizens to fulfill their roles in the life of the political community” (CCC 2239). This means citizens should participate in the political process at the ballot box.
But voting cannot be arbitrary. “A well-formed Christian conscience does not permit one to vote for a political program or an individual law that contradicts the fundamental contents of faith and morals” (CPL 4). A citizen’s vote most often means voting for a candidate who will be the one directly voting on laws or programs. But being one step removed from law-making doesn’t let citizens off the hook, since morality requires that we avoid doing evil to the greatest extent possible, even indirectly.
Some things are always wrong, and no one may deliberately vote in favor of them. Legislators, who have a direct vote, may not support these evils in legislation or programs. Citizens support these evils indirectly if they vote in favor of candidates who propose to advance them. Thus, to the greatest extent possible, Catholics must avoid voting for any candidate who intends to support programs or laws that are intrinsically evil. When all of the candidates endorse morally harmful policies, citizens must vote in a way that will limit the harm likely to be done.

FIVE NON-NEGOTIABLES​

These five current issues concern actions that are intrinsically evil and must never be promoted by the law. Intrinsically evil actions are those that fundamentally conflict with the moral law and can never be deliberately performed under any circumstances. It is a serious sin to deliberately endorse or promote any of these actions, and no candidate who really wants to advance the common good will support any action contrary to the non-negotiable principles involved in these issues.

1. Abortion​

The Church teaches that, regarding a law permitting abortions, it is “never licit to obey it, or to take part in a propaganda campaign in favor of such a law, or to vote for it” (EV 73). Abortion is the intentional and direct killing of an innocent human being, and therefore it is a form of homicide.
The unborn child is always an innocent party, and no law may permit the taking of his life. Even when a child is conceived through rape or incest, the fault is not the child’s, who should not suffer death for others’ sins.
#s 2-5 are euthanasia, human cloning, EBRYONIC stem cell research, and same-sex so-called marriage
 
I’m laughing. One did not use the state of Texas as an example because one could not think of another one, now did one? haha. The thread is being shut down in an hour, so I’m going out with a little chuckle, thanx. 😄
 
Hey you do know where detaining people in the fenced corrals came from right? I can’t believe you would even try to use that here. In fact, the media took a photo of the kids in the cages from the Obama era and credited it to trump when this first started. Twist twist twist. All that happened was this administration followed what was already in place. And when there was a huge outcry over children being separated (which didn’t seem to bother anyone until then) he signed an order stooping that. But I wonder, since the cages started back during the Obama’s era does that mean he’s hitler rather than trump?
 
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But I wonder, since the cages started back during the Obama’s era does that mean he’s hitler rather than trump?
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I never said he’s Hitler.

I do agree there are some unsettling parralels between the rhetoric and style of Hitler and the rhetoric and style of Trump.
 
You didn’t say it, but you posted a pic of Obama’s cages next to holocaust victims.
 
This is incredibly wrong. Hitler lost the 1932 election. He was appointed Chancellor. I specialize in this time period. Who was on the cover of Time magazine for March 13, 1933? Hitler. I don’t care about 'Godwin’s Law," I care about this country. Common sense applies.

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TIME Magazine Cover: Adolf Hitler - Mar. 13, 1933

TIME Magazine Cover: Adolf Hitler
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DENNYINMI said:
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phil19034:
Also, I personally believe that part of the 2nd Amendment was to allow the STATES (not individuals) to raise a militia to fight against a Federal govt gone rogue.

So while I personally do not like AR-15s, etc. If you outlaw them, then if the federal govt is ever overthrown by a totalitarian regime, it becomes harder for the States to raise a militia to declare war on the federal govt.

In my view, that is the ultimate purpose of the 2nd Amendment.
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I mean no disrespect, seriously (you wrote it out thoughtfully) and I’d like to respond on a serious note and just as respectfully…

This may have been true at the time it was written into the amendment but I would suggest to you that if the government went “rogue” and was after you, you would not stand a chance against a tomahawk missile or smart bomb. j/s
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True. But I think that if the govt went “rogue” a lot of the military would fight against the federal govt.

Also, it would obviously be a gorilla war, most likely not a military vs military war (unless jets, missiles, tanks, etc were stolen by state defectors.)
 
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KMC said:
Trump gassed Mexicans? Really?
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That hasn’t happened… Yet.

We’ll see what happens when the caravan gets to the border early in 2019.

If the Democrats win the house tonight, and the troops end up firing on migrants of the caravan, expect a Trump impeachment for crimes against humanity in 2019.

I hope that doesn’t happen.
 
I have no proof of whose exact administration that cage picture is from. It could be trumps or Obama’s. But it’s a fact that those places started under Obama’s, and pics from a tour a journalist took of a children’s detainee camp during Obama’s admin were plastered online again but credited to trump. My point was, the cages started before trump was president, it wasn’t his idea, the government was just using the facilities that were already there, that they had already been using when Obama’s was president. They were never “trumps cages” the way the media twisted it.
 
ChristMyLife said:
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KMC:
Trump gassed Mexicans? Really?
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That hasn’t happened… Yet.

We’ll see what happens when the caravan gets to the border early in 2019.

If the Democrats win the house tonight, and the troops end up firing on migrants of the caravan, expect a Trump impeachment for crimes against humanity in 2019.

I hope that doesn’t happen.
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Seriously? Its these kinds of fantasy comments and false moral equivalencies (Trump detaining illegal immigrants = Hitler gassing Jews) that don’t lend credence to your positions.

I’m still waiting for you to tell me why 2 bishops are wrong and you are right. In addition, is it morally acceptable to bear false witness against a president you don’t like, or was there an obscure verse in the book of Exodus I missed?
 
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