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BobCatholic
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Unfortunately, I doubt your company has any manual testing jobs in my area.
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bilop
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Maybe you need to forget about your area?Unfortunately, I doubt your company has any manual testing jobs in my area.
Take any job you can get. Wait tables, tend bar, mow lawns, plow snow. Whatever. Then, try to move up in that job.
All work is honorable.
God Bless
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WiccanWoman
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I have done so, and wish you all the best. I also provided you the name of the towns where my friends live and work. One is in lower management, the other in upper, at two different businesses, and although it’s not computer work, if you are interested I’ll send them your info.PM me the company. I’ll take a look at it. I hope they have openings in my area.
No, it’s not ugly, it’s - unfortunately - natural. In the world as it stands, illnesses of all types are natural because this is no Garden of Eden and we humans are mortal. Of course, illnesses are not “good” because they often cause the demise of a person, and evil sometimes results from them (which can be ugly), but even if not you, others who do have such conditions should not be made to believe that they are totally unemployable and unlovable. Every human life has value.It is ugly. Employers reject people who have them.
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BobCatholic
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First, I cannot move up in a dead-end job. I can’t tend bar without specific training.Maybe you need to forget about your area?
Take any job you can get. Wait tables, tend bar, mow lawns, plow snow. Whatever. Then, try to move up in that job.
All work is honorable.
God Bless
Second, if I get jobs like those, I can’t make enough to pay my rent. One of my plans is to move out of this area, go to a small town and work minimum wage for the rest of my life, since manual software testing is dead, and nobody wants to hire me in my other two non-IT fields due to lack of experience, and companies refuse to train.
Third, I agree all work is honorable. But God thinks I don’t have any honor, that’s why he won’t help me get a job.
Thanks! I set up a profile there.I have done so, and wish you all the best. I also provided you the name of the towns where my friends live and work. One is in lower management, the other in upper, at two different businesses, and although it’s not computer work, if you are interested I’ll send them your info.
Too many employers see employees as costs instead of someone of value. I agree, every human life has value.No, it’s not ugly, it’s - unfortunately - natural. In the world as it stands, illnesses of all types are natural because this is no Garden of Eden and we humans are mortal. Of course, illnesses are not “good” because they often cause the demise of a person, and evil sometimes results from them (which can be ugly), but even if not you, others who do have such conditions should not be made to believe that they are totally unemployable and unlovable. Every human life has value.
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Tous_Logous
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“Dead-end” jobs are better than dying in the gutter. It helps to keep one’s mind on task and providing income. You won’t believe the odd jobs that people take just to survive. The economy is miserable and it’s something we have to deal with. I am being lied to by my manager and my hours are severely cut to the point where I feel like I am unemployed (I do contract work), so I’m being offered paperwork and filing by another individual I know. Not much and it won’t give me all the hours I missed, but it’s better than nothing.First, I cannot move up in a dead-end job. I can’t tend bar without specific training.
Second, if I get jobs like those, I can’t make enough to pay my rent. One of my plans is to move out of this area, go to a small town and work minimum wage for the rest of my life, since manual software testing is dead, and nobody wants to hire me in my other two non-IT fields due to lack of experience, and companies refuse to train.
Third, I agree all work is honorable. But God thinks I don’t have any honor, that’s why he won’t help me get a job.
Too many employers see employees as costs instead of someone of value. I agree, every human life has value.
I can understand your suffering because I suffer my self. However, ruminating on the issue at hand does no good for yourself mentally or physically. When I was trying to find a full-time job, I kept telling myself I wanted to die and that I would kill myself. I told myself I would drive my car into a wall or that I would hopefully be killed in a car crash. I let me anger and agony control my life and then I realized, it wasn’t worth ruminating over these issues. Now I’m stuck with being out of work for nearly 4 days and can you just imagine how angry I feel that my hours are cut, and the employer is lying to me? I certainly can’t put my trust in man but I can certainly put my trust in God. Offer it up to God.
My degree is all but useless in my field, and I work in a scientific field. It’s a good thing I have 3-5 years of previous experience (not related to my degree) and that I can at least have something else to fall back on. Sometimes we need to expand our horizons. Sometimes we need to take risks, even if it ends you up in a situation like mine. We never know unless we try; sometimes it’s a wake-up call.
God loves all, but people abandon God. Our human mind can’t fully comprehend or completely understand God’s ways. His ways are beyond our ways. I begged for a full-time job. I wanted a job now (when I graduated). I kept asking myself, “why isn’t God providing?” Then I realized I’m thinking in human terms of time. It took me 1 1/2 years to find a job, not even one I wanted, but I took it. God provides on His own time, not our’s. Employers treat contract workers like me as garbage; they have no love of human life. It’s part of the human experience, to be treated cruelly. Just like Jesus on the Cross.
Stop letting your depression/stress/anxiety/etc. overcome your life. It’s not worth it. Trust me, it’s not. I attempted suicide several years ago by trying to choke myself. How stupid I was. Reach out to God. Read the book of Psalms or Lamentations in the Bible; can you just imagine how hard the Israelites had it back then, how much they suffered?
Stop seeing it as “but God doesn’t think I have any honor, that’s why he won’t get me a job,” and turn it into prayer: “Dear Lord, I don’t feel like I have any honor. But I can feel your honor and glory. I don’t feel like I am loved, but I know that you do love me. I don’t think I will find a job, but I know you will provide for me as you do with the sparrows.”
In the words of Peter Kreeft, “suffering is grace.”
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Origen52
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We are not God’s puppets, people forget that we have free will and are subject to the physical, political and interpersonal forces of a world which is not God’s perfect creation, but a world which has fallen along with Adam and Eve. OPs claim that God must be punishing him, is one of the proofs atheists use for the non existence of god. There can be no God because there is suffering in the world.
But our suffering is never a punishment from our loving father. If you read the gospel, one thing Jesus always tells us is that only good things come from god.
If you then being evil, know how to give good gifts to your children: how much more will your Father who is in heaven, give good things to them that ask him?
Matthew 7:11
So how is OP to view his situation, certainly not as any punishment from god. When god punishes it is not an instant smoting.
24 He put before them another parable: “The kingdom of heaven may be compared to someone who sowed good seed in his field; 25 but while everybody was asleep, an enemy came and sowed weeds among the wheat, and then went away. 26 So when the plants came up and bore grain, then the weeds appeared as well. 27 And the slaves of the householder came and said to him, ‘Master, did you not sow good seed in your field? Where, then, did these weeds come from?’ 28 He answered, ‘An enemy has done this.’ The slaves said to him, ‘Then do you want us to go and gather them?’ 29 But he replied, ‘No; for in gathering the weeds you would uproot the wheat along with them. 30 Let both of them grow together until the harvest; and at harvest time I will tell the reapers, Collect the weeds first and bind them in bundles to be burned, but gather the wheat into my barn.’”
Matthew 13
What the OP is suffering is the repercussions of a weakened economy. Many find themselves in equal situations. On a global perspective his situation would be envied by the countless people having to eke out a living scrounging through garbage dumps. It may be cold comfort, but that too is a reality for many Christians. Is any of it a punishment from god? No it’s all part of the reality of living in a fallen world. If god protected us, and those we love, from all dangers, illnesses and troubles; would we not just be puppets? God does not give us bad things, but he can use anything that happens to us to draw us to himself.
Finally, I think Christian’s must meditate on the god we claim to follow. He died young, penniless, abandoned and as a condemned criminal. How can any of us look upon the crucified Christ and think bad things are a punishment from god?
But our suffering is never a punishment from our loving father. If you read the gospel, one thing Jesus always tells us is that only good things come from god.
If you then being evil, know how to give good gifts to your children: how much more will your Father who is in heaven, give good things to them that ask him?
Matthew 7:11
So how is OP to view his situation, certainly not as any punishment from god. When god punishes it is not an instant smoting.
24 He put before them another parable: “The kingdom of heaven may be compared to someone who sowed good seed in his field; 25 but while everybody was asleep, an enemy came and sowed weeds among the wheat, and then went away. 26 So when the plants came up and bore grain, then the weeds appeared as well. 27 And the slaves of the householder came and said to him, ‘Master, did you not sow good seed in your field? Where, then, did these weeds come from?’ 28 He answered, ‘An enemy has done this.’ The slaves said to him, ‘Then do you want us to go and gather them?’ 29 But he replied, ‘No; for in gathering the weeds you would uproot the wheat along with them. 30 Let both of them grow together until the harvest; and at harvest time I will tell the reapers, Collect the weeds first and bind them in bundles to be burned, but gather the wheat into my barn.’”
Matthew 13
What the OP is suffering is the repercussions of a weakened economy. Many find themselves in equal situations. On a global perspective his situation would be envied by the countless people having to eke out a living scrounging through garbage dumps. It may be cold comfort, but that too is a reality for many Christians. Is any of it a punishment from god? No it’s all part of the reality of living in a fallen world. If god protected us, and those we love, from all dangers, illnesses and troubles; would we not just be puppets? God does not give us bad things, but he can use anything that happens to us to draw us to himself.
Finally, I think Christian’s must meditate on the god we claim to follow. He died young, penniless, abandoned and as a condemned criminal. How can any of us look upon the crucified Christ and think bad things are a punishment from god?
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BobCatholic
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Such jobs won’t pay the rent, and they won’t help. As I mentioned before, one of my plans is to move to a small town with low cost of living and work minimum wage jobs there. I can’t do that in my current location.“Dead-end” jobs are better than dying in the gutter.
I have credentials in 4 different jobs. But I can’t get a job in any of them. So now I’m looking at #5.Sometimes we need to expand our horizons.
Unfortunately. He doesn’t care about how much we suffer.God provides on His own time, not our’s.
I do. He pushes me away.Reach out to God.
There are other graces too, but God doesn’t want to provide those. Such as the grace to get the strength to overcome these problems.In the words of Peter Kreeft, “suffering is grace.”
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BobCatholic
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And that God is holding us temporally responsible for Adam and Eve’s sin. Not spiritually, since Jesus Christ took care of that.We are not God’s puppets, people forget that we have free will and are subject to the physical, political and interpersonal forces of a world which is not God’s perfect creation, but a world which has fallen along with Adam and Eve.
And ridiculously, they claim there is no devil since there is good. They really are stretching the limits of reason, because what they believe is unreasonable.OPs claim that God must be punishing him, is one of the proofs atheists use for the non existence of god. There can be no God because there is suffering in the world.
Most definitely it is a punishment! We are held temporally responsible for Adam and Eve’s sin.But our suffering is never a punishment from our loving father.
If you then being evil, know how to give good gifts to your children: how much more will your Father who is in heaven, give good things to them that ask him?
Matthew 7:11
Did you read the last part of that verse? The “good things” is translated “Holy Spirit” - Luke 11:13 - this is about the Father giving the gift of the Holy Spirit to those who ask him.So how is OP to view his situation, certainly not as any punishment from god. When god punishes it is not an instant smoting.
If this was about God providing good things (such as employment) then God has broken his promise and cannot be trusted. I reject this.
I believe this verse is only about spiritual things, not temporal things. It is about God giving us the gift of the Holy Spirit.
God doesn’t care about the temporal.
A good parent protects their children from the evils of the world. If a parent allowed his 6 year old daughter to get molested by the neighbor kid, is that not a form of parental neglect? Or if he allowed his baby boy to drink the lemon flavored cleaner?If god protected us, and those we love, from all dangers, illnesses and troubles; would we not just be puppets?
A human parent would be condemned and even put in prison if this happened. But God doesn’t have to be such a good parent. He can just be neglectful. He can abandon his children, we call it the dark night of the soul.
If my wife gives me the silent treatment, I am in deep doo doo! But if God gives me the silent treatment, I’m totally doomed.
Except actually drawing me to himself. He doesn’t want me.but he can use anything that happens to us to draw us to himself.
Christ took all the spiritual burdens on himself and paid a great awesome price for our salvation. But he did nothing about the temporal punishment. In fact, we are still not redeemed (temporally) yet - see Romans 8. God holds back the redemption from all of us.How can any of us look upon the crucified Christ and think bad things are a punishment from god?
Imagine a billionaire who is willing to give you a mansion, and a lifetime of luxury and rest, but he refuses to pay for the ferry ticket to the island where the mansion is located?
Can’t swim there by myself, too far. Can’t take another boat, only that ferry knows the proper directions. Somehow I have to survive until I pay for that ticket.
That’s how I see life. The ferry ticket which I cannot pay for.
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Origen52
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Bob, I find your response disjointed and for me at least, it is difficult to discern what is your view of suffering?
Are you saying that suffering is punishment from God for our sins? Or are you saying we suffer because we live in, and are part of, a world wounded by our sins? You do not make that clear, at least not to me.
If you believe that suffering is punishment for sin, then explain the sin a child can commit which warrants, say, a terminal cancer. It is the teaching that suffering is direct punishment from god which causes many people to turn away from religion, preferring to believe in no God than in a cruel god. A god who directly punishes sin is also out of kilter with the teaching of divine mercy. The parable of the weeds and the wheat, surely teaches that god’s judgement comes after death, not during life.
Jesus Explains the Parable of the Weeds
36 Then he left the crowds and went into the house. And his disciples approached him, saying, “Explain to us the parable of the weeds of the field.” 37 He answered, “The one who sows the good seed is the Son of Man; 38 the field is the world, and the good seed are the children of the kingdom; the weeds are the children of the evil one, 39 and the enemy who sowed them is the devil; the harvest is the end of the age, and the reapers are angels. 40 Just as the weeds are collected and burned up with fire, so will it be at the end of the age. 41 The Son of Man will send his angels, and they will collect out of his kingdom all causes of sin and all evildoers, 42 and they will throw them into the furnace of fire, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth. 43 Then the righteous will shine like the sun in the kingdom of their Father. Let anyone with ears listen!
Matthew 13
If I’ve misunderstood your point I apologize.
Are you saying that suffering is punishment from God for our sins? Or are you saying we suffer because we live in, and are part of, a world wounded by our sins? You do not make that clear, at least not to me.
If you believe that suffering is punishment for sin, then explain the sin a child can commit which warrants, say, a terminal cancer. It is the teaching that suffering is direct punishment from god which causes many people to turn away from religion, preferring to believe in no God than in a cruel god. A god who directly punishes sin is also out of kilter with the teaching of divine mercy. The parable of the weeds and the wheat, surely teaches that god’s judgement comes after death, not during life.
Jesus Explains the Parable of the Weeds
36 Then he left the crowds and went into the house. And his disciples approached him, saying, “Explain to us the parable of the weeds of the field.” 37 He answered, “The one who sows the good seed is the Son of Man; 38 the field is the world, and the good seed are the children of the kingdom; the weeds are the children of the evil one, 39 and the enemy who sowed them is the devil; the harvest is the end of the age, and the reapers are angels. 40 Just as the weeds are collected and burned up with fire, so will it be at the end of the age. 41 The Son of Man will send his angels, and they will collect out of his kingdom all causes of sin and all evildoers, 42 and they will throw them into the furnace of fire, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth. 43 Then the righteous will shine like the sun in the kingdom of their Father. Let anyone with ears listen!
Matthew 13
If I’ve misunderstood your point I apologize.
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BobCatholic
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Suffering is because God holds us temporally responsible for Adam and Eve’s sins. Not spiritually, Jesus Christ took care of that.Bob, I find your response disjointed and for me at least, it is difficult to discern what is your view of suffering?
Are you saying that suffering is punishment from God for our sins?
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