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We were feeling the great Depression.socialist programs were put into effect as a temporary fix.But we have never stopped this kind of thinking.This socialistic view to solve our problems today don.t work and our country jjust gets itself into worse situations.you can’t mandate “love your neighbor”.O.has got to go so wwe can finally reverse ourself.Socialism doesn’t work.THere are more poor now,the middle class is shrinking just the opposite of the way these socialists are telling us our nation should be.the Monocharys weren’t just but communism and socialism prove even worse.We must trust iput our trust in Americans to do the right thing.Not trust in government to right all wrongs.
 
valentino said:
We were feeling the great Depression.socialist programs were put into effect as a temporary fix.But we have never stopped this kind of thinking.This socialistic view to solve our problems today don.t work and our country jjust gets itself into worse situations.you can’t mandate “love your neighbor”.O.has got to go so wwe can finally reverse ourself.Socialism doesn’t work.THere are more poor now,the middle class is shrinking just the opposite of the way these socialists are telling us our nation should be.the Monocharys weren’t just but communism and socialism prove even worse.We must trust iput our trust in Americans to do the right thing.Not trust in government to right all wrongs.
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It sounds like you’ve read “New Deal or Raw Deal”. Are you an Andrew Breitbart fan? We need more people to take on the Democratic media complex and destroy the lie of objectivity. We need more people who aren’t afraid to go into “enemy” territory and tell the truth.👍
 
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You seem to believe that because we have government programs America is a socialist country. That is really peculiar.
 
mcteague said:
You seem to believe that because we have government programs America is a socialist country. That is really peculiar.
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I wouldn’t say it is, it is a question of degrees.
But it is certainly more socialist then it should be.
 
mcteague said:
You seem to believe that because we have government programs America is a socialist country. That is really peculiar.
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Call it slowly turning up the heat to boil a frog. Thank the Frankfurt School of Cultural Marxism, which made it’s way here in the 40’s. Two germans from this school of thought who settled in California couldn’t stand that this country was doing so well in the 50’s, and as such took the “haves & have nots” situation and turned it into class warfare.

tv.nationalreview.com/uncommonknowledge/post/?q=NjlhZGJiYzVhM2U1OWRmYjM5NjJkMTUyNTE1ZDBlY2Y=
 
brgregmack said:
USA Today is one of the many publications that is part of the Democratic media complex. Their articles are skewed to the left. Far from being objective. Why not be mature and be honest about it??
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Why not just call names a spout conspiracy theories. “Democratic Media Complex” implies they call the DNC and ask what to publish and how to spin it. Is that being honest and mature? Do journalists on the whole lean left? I think so–but the above comment is like when Democrats complain about the Republican AM Talk Radio complex.

Lets take a look at tax rates and see what they suggest at least on a federal level:

Corporate:

1950: first 25,000 @ 23%; over 25,000 @42%
1951: first 25,000 @ 28.75%; over 25,000 @ 50.75%
1952-1963: first 25,000 @ 30%; over 25,000 @52%
1964: first 25,000 @ 22%; over 25,000 @ 50%
1965-1978 they are similar low of 20% (1975-78) high of 52.8 (1968-69) but range is similar.
In 1979 we went to a bracket structure similar to today

0-25,000 @ 17%
25-50,000 @ 19%
50-75,000 @ 30%
75-100,000 @ 40%
100,001+ @46%
Over the years these rates have fluctuated from a low of 15% to a high of 51%

So what are todays rates (they were the same in 2009)
0-50,000 @ 15%
50-75,000 @25%
75-100,000 @34%
100-335,000 @ 39%
335-10,000,000 @ 34%
10-15,000,000 @ 35%
15-18,333,333 @ 38%
18,333,334+ @ 35%

So rates today are historically low which suggests…? You have to go back to 1939 to find lower rates.

For individuals–the tables are too large to do but suffice it to say in 1950 the top marginal rate was 91% lowest marginal rate was 20%.
In 1963 the highest rate drops to 77% and the lowest to 16%
In 1965 the highest rate drops to 70% and the lowest to 14%
In 1977 they add a 0% rate for taxable incomes of less than 3,200 for married couples
In 1982 the top rate drops to 50% and the lowest rate (aside from the 0%) drops to 12% and in 1983 it becomes 11%
The 1986 tax act phases in rate changes to only two rates a 15% and 28% bracket(with a bubble of 33% ro recapture upper income 15% bracket savings)
Since then these rates have been tinkered with and currently sit at (for married filing joint):

0-16,750 @10%
16,751-68,000 @ 15%
68-137,300 @ 25%
137,301- 209,250 @ 28%
209,251 - 373,650 @ 33%
373,651+ @ 35%
These are historically low rates. Again suggesting what…? The income tax started in 1913 with a top rate of 7% but by 1917 the top rate was 67%, by 1918 it was 77%, dropping to 25% by 1925 - 1931 when it once again climbed to 63% only to go higher.

Granted this only examines federal income taxes but clearly the current rates here are low by historic standards. . We can discuss the various other taxes & fees people now pay and how they have multiplied but I don’t have information handy–and that is a whole other discussion.

Peace.
Mark
 
MarkInOregon said:
Why not just call names a spout conspiracy theories. “Democratic Media Complex” implies they call the DNC and ask what to publish and how to spin it. Is that being honest and mature? Do journalists on the whole lean left? I think so–but the above comment is like when Democrats complain about the Republican AM Talk Radio complex.

Lets take a look at tax rates and see what they suggest at least on a federal level:

Corporate:

1950: first 25,000 @ 23%; over 25,000 @42%
1951: first 25,000 @ 28.75%; over 25,000 @ 50.75%
1952-1963: first 25,000 @ 30%; over 25,000 @52%
1964: first 25,000 @ 22%; over 25,000 @ 50%
1965-1978 they are similar low of 20% (1975-78) high of 52.8 (1968-69) but range is similar.
In 1979 we went to a bracket structure similar to today

0-25,000 @ 17%
25-50,000 @ 19%
50-75,000 @ 30%
75-100,000 @ 40%
100,001+ @46%
Over the years these rates have fluctuated from a low of 15% to a high of 51%

So what are todays rates (they were the same in 2009)
0-50,000 @ 15%
50-75,000 @25%
75-100,000 @34%
100-335,000 @ 39%
335-10,000,000 @ 34%
10-15,000,000 @ 35%
15-18,333,333 @ 38%
18,333,334+ @ 35%

So rates today are historically low which suggests…? You have to go back to 1939 to find lower rates.

For individuals–the tables are too large to do but suffice it to say in 1950 the top marginal rate was 91% lowest marginal rate was 20%.
In 1963 the highest rate drops to 77% and the lowest to 16%
In 1965 the highest rate drops to 70% and the lowest to 14%
In 1977 they add a 0% rate for taxable incomes of less than 3,200 for married couples
In 1982 the top rate drops to 50% and the lowest rate (aside from the 0%) drops to 12% and in 1983 it becomes 11%
The 1986 tax act phases in rate changes to only two rates a 15% and 28% bracket(with a bubble of 33% ro recapture upper income 15% bracket savings)
Since then these rates have been tinkered with and currently sit at (for married filing joint):

0-16,750 @10%
16,751-68,000 @ 15%
68-137,300 @ 25%
137,301- 209,250 @ 28%
209,251 - 373,650 @ 33%
373,651+ @ 35%
These are historically low rates. Again suggesting what…? The income tax started in 1913 with a top rate of 7% but by 1917 the top rate was 67%, by 1918 it was 77%, dropping to 25% by 1925 - 1931 when it once again climbed to 63% only to go higher.

Granted this only examines federal income taxes but clearly the current rates here are low by historic standards. . We can discuss the various other taxes & fees people now pay and how they have multiplied but I don’t have information handy–and that is a whole other discussion.

Peace.
Mark
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When I say “be mature about it” I’m saying that they should stop hiding behind objectivity and admit their bias. It’s very subtle on how they not only portray stories, but also what stories they pick to cover and not to cover.

The truth is that we’re a center-right nation, and the mainstream media is skewed to the left. When I say the “Democratic Media Complex” it doesn’t mean that the Democratic party is paying them off, but others such as Soros are putting a lot of money into pushing their agenda.

The right is finally starting to win because of the new media. It doesn’t take a whole lot of money anymore to get the truth told. Andrew Breitbart explains it very well when he was interviewed on Uncommon Knowledge.

tv.nationalreview.com/uncommonknowledge/
 
I don’t understand the reason for the starting point being 1950, when we were just coming out of the distortions imposed by WWII which was run by FDR.

Start when the income tax was first approved by Constitutional amendment.

The taxation rate was very low … and under President Wilson rapidly accelerated.

And you have to look at the whole taxation structure and the various allowances which were gradually eliminated.

Compare U.S. tax rates with those of comparable advanced economies. The U.S. tax structure is very punitive by comparison.

Read up on the Alternative Minimum Tax … which supersedes the tax tables everyone so loves to quote.

Read “None Dare Call It Treason” by John A. Stormer. It is well documented.
 
brgregmack said:
USA Today is one of the many publications that is part of the Democratic media complex. Their articles are skewed to the left. Far from being objective. Why not be mature and be honest about it??
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Do you have anything to say about the specific information I have posted? Stop being abstract.
 
MillTownCath said:
Do you have anything to say about the specific information I have posted? Stop being abstract.
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If you noticed, I posted a link to Uncommon Knowledge, where Breitbart gets into specifics, and explains some the history of Cultural Marxism. But if you want some, Soros has money at: ABC, MSNBC, Moveon.org, thinkprogress.com, to name a few.

As for the tax rates… granted it’s the lowest since 1950. But the Roaring 20s were such because the top tax rate was 25% and the loopholes were far fewer, if existent at all. Also, the market would’ve come back on its own had not been for the New Deal policies. Unemployment was actually starting to go down before they were even enacted.
 
MillTownCath said:
Socialist?

Don’t think so.

Regressive?

Most likely.

Tax bills in 2009 at lowest level since 1950
usatoday.com/money/perfi/taxes/2010-05-10-taxes_N.htm
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That’s the way it works.you have bad times and something is put in place to relax the pain.But its temporary.But the system still moves forward slowly and over time it will devour our nation.All democrats come in saying that things are bad and its do to the other party.They come in,make changes,things get better But they get to a point when that can’t keep making things better or things start to turn for the worse.Johnson,Clinton,O.can never sustain over time.The hit a brick wall.but the system(bigger gov.)moves forward.BTW the reps.under Bush didn’t do much better.He(IMO)was a sad president.You say we aren’t socialists and O.and dems.will give you all kinds of reasons that show us we’re not.But look for your self.Over many years now the gov.has been growing and growing with no end in sight.O came up with the best plan yet devised.Obamacare.Many say it covers one sixths of our entire economy.Every program passed into law has new laws passed into place to help solve the problems that the first plan didn’t accomplish.And it goes on and on.HUD was started during Johnnson.And now there must be 50 new bills signed into law pertaining to HUD with each having new administrations and many new government employees.I believe that somewhere between 23% and 30% of all jobs in America are gov.Jobs.That’s is unbelieveable but true.Our founding fathers would be turning in their graves if they saw what a mess we’ve become.
 
valentino said:
That’s the way it works.you have bad times and something is put in place to relax the pain.But its temporary.But the system still moves forward slowly and over time it will devour our nation.All democrats come in saying that things are bad and its do to the other party.They come in,make changes,things get better But they get to a point when that can’t keep making things better or things start to turn for the worse.Johnson,Clinton,O.can never sustain over time.The hit a brick wall.but the system(bigger gov.)moves forward.BTW the reps.under Bush didn’t do much better.He(IMO)was a sad president.You say we aren’t socialists and O.and dems.will give you all kinds of reasons that show us we’re not.But look for your self.Over many years now the gov.has been growing and growing with no end in sight.O came up with the best plan yet devised.Obamacare.Many say it covers one sixths of our entire economy.Every program passed into law has new laws passed into place to help solve the problems that the first plan didn’t accomplish.And it goes on and on.HUD was started during Johnnson.And now there must be 50 new bills signed into law pertaining to HUD with each having new administrations and many new government employees.I believe that somewhere between 23% and 30% of all jobs in America are gov.Jobs.That’s is unbelieveable but true.Our founding fathers would be turning in their graves if they saw what a mess we’ve become.
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Did you check out the Indiana Plan for medical insurance?
 
FDR? Really? First off, the depression is considered to have ended around 1939, in which FDR was President.

Secondly, the blame for a bad economy should not be blamed on someone who was President over seventy years ago. The American economy crashed while George Bush was President, so blame him

Thirdly, no system is the proper system. Capitalism in of itself won’t be the perfect system. Adam Smith’s invisible hand concept just won’t happen. Capitalism needs to be blended with some socialism for society to work. Even though I reject the notion of nation’s being completely socialist, I do like having highways, free education, free health coverage, and free police and fire services
 
Gift_from_God said:
FDR? Really? First off, the depression is considered to have ended around 1939, in which FDR was President.

Secondly, the blame for a bad economy should not be blamed on someone who was President over seventy years ago. The American economy crashed while George Bush was President, so blame him

Thirdly, no system is the proper system. Capitalism in of itself won’t be the perfect system. Adam Smith’s invisible hand concept just won’t happen. Capitalism needs to be blended with some socialism for society to work. Even though I reject the notion of nation’s being completely socialist, I do like having highways, free education, free health coverage, and free police and fire services
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If it’s paid for by taxes, it ain’t free. Also, FDR’s policies laid the groundwork for the policies which over time have led to the poor economy that we have now. Again, like I said, read “New Deal or Raw Deal: How FDR’s Economic Policies Have Damaged America” by Burton Fulsom, Jr., which details all of the Great Depression years and quotes stats upon stats and demolishes the FDR myth that he was such a great president.

The New Deal was based upon underconsumption theory, which makes absolutely no sense when you consider the previous decade and the economic boom. It was the Smoot Hawley Tariff that triggered a trade war, causing a brief downturn. The New Deal prolonged it and made it worse. It really didn’t end until the economy started growing again in the 50s.
 
You’er right.Capitalism is a perfect system and it can be terrible if completely left alone to operate.It can lead to terrible greed and monoply.But us Americans should no that.Many of us do.but until we find a better solution which I donlt know if there is we should be capitalistic.we have to be given the right to work and earn and the right to exceed.Thils should be basic to each person in every society.
 
woops… made a slight mistake. Ironically, it was FDR’s death that helped end the Great Depression. People viewed Truman as more business friendly, production expanded, and the returning soldiers were absorbed into the workforce.
 
brgregmack said:
woops… made a slight mistake. Ironically, it was FDR’s death that helped end the Great Depression. People viewed Truman as more business friendly, production expanded, and the returning soldiers were absorbed into the workforce.
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It was more the production due to the war that pulled us out of the Great Depression and put us into the boom of the 1950’s.

Every history book I read from 2nd grade on spoke of FDR in the most glowing terms. Even now, my sons got nothing but positives from their own history books. It was a huge LIE told to us and repeated over and over ad naseum.
 
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