It Turns Out Conservatives Really Are Compassionate

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Arthur C. Brooks, a professor at Syracuse University whose work involves public policy and philanthropy, has written a new book called Who Really Cares: America’s Charity Divide: Who Gives, Who Doesn’t, and Why It Matters. His boldface conclusion? As summarized in this interesting article, Brooks found that “religious conservatives donate far more money than secular liberals to all sorts of charitable activities, irrespective of income.”
President and Mrs. George W. Bush certainly did their part. According to their 2005 tax return, the Bushes had taxable income of $618,694 and contributed $75,560 to charitable organizations that included the American Red Cross (Hurricane 2005 Relief), the Salvation Army (Hurricane 2005 Relief), the Salvation Army (Pakistan Earthquake Relief), Martha’s Table, the Archdiocese of New Orleans Catholic Charities, the Mississippi Food Network, and the Federal Government’s Combined Federal Campaign.
 
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Arthur C. Brooks, a professor at Syracuse University whose work involves public policy and philanthropy, has written a new book called Who Really Cares: America’s Charity Divide: Who Gives, Who Doesn’t, and Why It Matters. His boldface conclusion? As summarized in this interesting article, Brooks found that “religious conservatives donate far more money than secular liberals to all sorts of charitable activities, irrespective of income.”
President and Mrs. George W. Bush certainly did their part. According to their 2005 tax return, the Bushes had taxable income of $618,694 and contributed $75,560 to charitable organizations that included the American Red Cross (Hurricane 2005 Relief), the Salvation Army (Hurricane 2005 Relief), the Salvation Army (Pakistan Earthquake Relief), Martha’s Table, the Archdiocese of New Orleans Catholic Charities, the Mississippi Food Network, and the Federal Government’s Combined Federal Campaign.
Liberals are generous but mostly with other peoples monies.
 
Liberals are generous but mostly with other peoples monies.
I think you’ll find you are taxed the same on the same amount of money, wherever you are on the political spectrum.

No-one doubts that Americans prefer to make their own individual choices for donating to charity, and that they are in general a very generous people. The problem is that this way charities are forced into a popularity contest to attract the most money, which I find rather unappealing. When done through government, the opportunity is there for causes that are important but unpopular to get a fairer share.

Mike
 
well duh, the liberals spend someone else’s money, conservatives spend their own.
 
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The charity on this thread is going downhill. Please correct it or the thread will be closed
 
I think we might all be getting bogged down in over interpreting what a political position is in relation to what humanity and God demand of us? Such things are seldom logically held in black and white terms.

I’m by the measures of some on these forums a wishy-washy liberal, but I share many opinions with those I would consider to be politically opposite to me. We all have needs to be met and all have desires to help meet the needs of those who are troubled in meeting their own needs. A political position is not required to feed the hungry or shelter the homeless or comfort those that require it.

Hopefully, all we’re debating is the method?
 
It’s not the amount given that truly matters.
He sat down opposite the treasury and observed how the crowd put money into the treasury. Many rich people put in large sums. A poor widow also came and put in two small coins worth a few cents. Calling his disciples to himself, he said to them, “Amen, I say to you, this poor widow put in more than all the other contributors to the treasury. For they have all contributed from their surplus wealth, but she, from her poverty, has contributed all she had, her whole livelihood.”
-Mark 12:41-44

I am not saying that this is the case concerning liberals or conservatives, but merely important to keep in mind when taking this under consideration.
 
I believe, whether conservative or liberal, we must always remember Christ’s commandments for us to love both Him and others with all of our hearts. We must also remember that we must take care of the sick, elderly and poor. There should not be a situation where one Catholic of one political party is arguing against another of another party over whether the government OR people should take care of the less fortunate. It should, of course, be both. It should be an both/and situation, not an either/or one… Take care, God bless and HAPPY THANKSGIVING!! 🙂
 
well duh, the liberals spend someone else’s money, conservatives spend their own.
How do liberals get ‘someone else’s money’? I can only assume you mean tax, in which case they are taking their own money just as much as conservative money, Tax is the same rate for anyone whether you’re a fascist, conservative, liberal, socialist, or communist.

Mike
 
I think you’ll find you are taxed the same on the same amount of money, wherever you are on the political spectrum.

No-one doubts that Americans prefer to make their own individual choices for donating to charity, and that they are in general a very generous people. The problem is that this way charities are forced into a popularity contest to attract the most money, which I find rather unappealing. When done through government, the opportunity is there for causes that are important but unpopular to get a fairer share.

Mike
Some of those “unpopular” causes are immoral and against our faith, and we should have every right to choose where we give our money. I sure as hell don’t want my hard earned money being given to planned parenthood by the gov’t…
 
Some of those “unpopular” causes are immoral and against our faith, and we should have every right to choose where we give our money. I sure as hell don’t want my hard earned money being given to planned parenthood by the gov’t…
…and I don’t want my money given to people who make bombs that are used to kill civilians; or to give weapons, including chemical weapons, to people who slaughter their own people with them; or to invade other countries in immoral and unjust ways - all of which are also immoral and against our faith. Unfortunately governments of all colours do things like that.

The government isn’t Catholic. It will always fund some things that go against our explicit beliefs. That is in many ways unfortunate, but the government has to govern for all the people, not just us.

Mike
 
In order to help people as our Church asks, we must do everything we can. Whether that is donating, helping a homeless person on the street, or taking care of an elderly or sick person. We also must realize that we should make sure OUR government is taking care of them as well. Yes, some tax money may go to things we do not support, but I think that because it does also provide programs to help unfortunate individuals, we need to invest there as well. The political left and right use a lot of rhetoric to tear each other apart instead of dealing with the real issues. I think we, as Catholics, need to read our catechisms and base our decisions on our faith instead of some radio talk show. Once again, take care and God Bless! 🙂
 
I would encourage everyone to read the article. It isn’t just a matter of money:

The book’s basic findings are that conservatives who practice religion, live in traditional nuclear families and reject the notion that the government should engage in income redistribution are the most generous Americans, by any measure.

Conversely, secular liberals who believe fervently in government entitlement programs give far less to charity. They want everyone’s tax dollars to support charitable causes and are reluctant to write checks to those causes, even when governments don’t provide them with enough money.

. . . .

Still, he says it forcefully, pointing out that liberals give less than conservatives in every way imaginable, including volunteer hours and donated blood.

. . . .

Repeatedly he cites and disputes a line from a Ralph Nader speech to the NAACP in 2000: “A society that has more justice is a society that needs less charity.”

I think you have it right there; the Left are concerned with creating a just society.
 
I believe if you want to know the way a liberal thinks, you might want to ask one. My mother is one. Most of my family is liberal. The issues are simple… Everyone should be entitled healthcare… Basically what that means is that no sick should be left without help… I think Jesus would agree. I believe HE would also agree with helping seniors, or elderly, which is a big part as well as issues like education, immigration, homeland security and the like. I believe these issues, as I stated above, are part of the government’s responsibility to deal with properly. The rest of society, EVERY INDIVIDUAL, is just as responsible however. I think it is sad that people write articles stereotyping people in certain political groups. That one comment mentioned above is not innerant and should not be taken as such. Take care and God Bless.👍
 
I think you have it right there; the Left are concerned with creating a just society.
Clement Attlee, the best peace-time Prime Minister we ever had, said something very similar. We want there to be a lot less need for charity in the first place.

Admittedly, that’s not much of an excuse for not supporting charities in the meantime.

Mike
 
since there is no reliable definition of liberal and conservative and those terms have actually changed meaning in political history, they are of limited value in this discussion.

If you mean by these terms what the popular press usually means, liberals as those who in general favor direct government action, with its inherent expense and higher taxation, to address social ills vs conservatives as those who favor private action on the part of institutions and organizations who more directly serve those afflicted by these ills, funded by private donations, let us say so at once.

Both of these persons so described may be dedicated to achieving a just society, but differ on their opinions of how that goal may best be attained, especially on what the direct role of national and local governments should be. That is a legitimate difference of opinion to discuss. But harsh characterizations of persons and parties who identify with either of those labels is not going to be helpful.

In this country’s history, periods where government has played a large role in legislating and paying for social change and direct funding of social initiatives, entitlements etc. has not, in the analysis of some historians, fundamentally changed the society to a more just and equitable one. In the mind of many conservatives, such periods of broad welfare payments, for instance, have led to a permanent underclass which cannot be assisted unless and until the welfare system as it exists changes radically or disappears.
 
Clement Attlee, the best peace-time Prime Minister we ever had, said something very similar. We want there to be a lot less need for charity in the first place.

Admittedly, that’s not much of an excuse for not supporting charities in the meantime.

Mike
But how does that explain less volunteering and blood donation as cited in the article? Possibly liberals put more energy into protests, letter-writing and activities that didn’t show up in Mr. Brooks’s study.

I also wonder about his definitions somewhat. Most of the liberals I know buck the trend he’s describing, but then they are of the Catholic peace & justice variety. Would he consider them “conservative” because they attend church and have traidtional nuclear families?
 
since there is no reliable definition of liberal and conservative and those terms have actually changed meaning in political history, they are of limited value in this discussion.

If you mean by these terms what the popular press usually means, liberals as those who in general favor direct government action, with its inherent expense and higher taxation, to address social ills vs conservatives as those who favor private action on the part of institutions and organizations who more directly serve those afflicted by these ills, funded by private donations, let us say so at once.
I think that is probably pretty close to the rather wide labels we are describing here. On that basis (and many others) I’d be a liberal.
Both of these persons so described may be dedicated to achieving a just society, but differ on their opinions of how that goal may best be attained, especially on what the direct role of national and local governments should be. That is a legitimate difference of opinion to discuss. But harsh characterizations of persons and parties who identify with either of those labels is not going to be helpful.
Indeed.
In this country’s history, periods where government has played a large role in legislating and paying for social change and direct funding of social initiatives, entitlements etc. has not, in the analysis of some historians, fundamentally changed the society to a more just and equitable one. In the mind of many conservatives, such periods of broad welfare payments, for instance, have led to a permanent underclass which cannot be assisted unless and until the welfare system as it exists changes radically or disappears.
One could certainly argue that this is because it does not go far enough. The USA’s welfare state is probably the weakest of the developed nations (just look at your maternity leave rights, for example, joint-second-worst in the world, never mind just the developed nations). Those societies with a stronger welfare state - the Scandinavian nations, for example - certainly have an awful lot less inequality and an overall fairer society than the USA has.

Mike
 
But how does that explain less volunteering and blood donation as cited in the article? Possibly liberals put more energy into protests, letter-writing and activities that didn’t show up in Mr. Brooks’s study.

That probably applies to the ‘volunteering’ part. Dunno about the blood donation - but then blood donation has very strict laws about who is eligable to do so (I’m not allowed, for example, as I had a transfusion a few years ago). Maybe the average liberal ‘lifestyle’ (more likely to be gay, for example?) explains this.

Mike
 
This is anecdotal, so anyone can make of it what they choose. I have worked with charitable organizations, and with the financial situations of a broad range of people, and, embarrassment of embarrassments, I have found that usually the less people have, the more generous they are in every way. I have spent many an hour in front of stores raising money for charity. Some toothless hillbilly with five children wearing second-hand clothes will dig deep and give you one of the two $10 bills she has in her purse. The lady in the Humvee and the $200 hairdo will climb the wall of the store to avoid someone holding out a tin cup. That’s not always true, but it’s true more often than not. I have seen poor people keep their disabled, elderly parents, aunts, grandparents in their homes at great effort to themselves, whereas your well-to-do are more concerned with preserving assets and getting grandma into the BEST nursing home, consistent, of course, with preservation of capital. If you want volunteers for blood drives or a cancer walk, call the plant manager of the poultry plant, not the CEO of the software company. I know this is a big generalization, and will not hold universally true. But it seems to hold true most of the time. If you’re down on your luck and need help, ask a poor person, not a rich one.

I’m not sure why this seems to be true, but I have an idea. A person who is always struggling to make ends meet has a stronger basis for empathy than one who is insulated from all adversity and unpleasantness. Personal security, I think, is addictive; more so than is money, even. The more security we have, the more we want.

I don’t know that I would buy the notion that political conservatism makes one generous, even though I am conservative politically myself. I do think that certain kinds of “conservatives”, regardless of financial status, partake of that sense of personal insecurity which many of the poor seem to have. Frankly put, people who are fairly traditionalist in their religious beliefs also tend to more insecure in their beliefs about their salvation prospects. Some would call this an excessive preoccupation with sin and judgment. Some would call it a well-formed conscience. If you’re feeling rather insecure about your salvation, you’re more likely to feel an obligation to be charitable as an individual (and go to Mass and Confession) than you are if you think you probably have a free pass to heaven. Generally speaking, the toothless hillbilly woman is going to be a religious fundamentalist. At least that’s true around here. She, and the traditionalist Catholic very keenly feel themselves sinners liable to judgment. Such people, I think, really are attuned to attitudes of empathy. To such people, the government is kind of irrelevant at best when it comes to dealing with your own personal convictions concerning charity. Sometimes the government is seen as the worst solution to social problems, because it sometimes acts in ways that moral traditionalists find unacceptable.

Not all political liberals are “religious liberals”. Not at all. But I think there is some tendency on the part of some to believe that social and religious issues can best be resolved by “changing the rules of the game” by altering the organizations governing them.

Anyway, that’s my take on it. I’m not inclined to think there is anything inherently charitable about political conservatism or political liberalism, either one. I do think, though, that people with more traditional religious values tend to be both more generous and more politically conservative. The political conservatism of such people has more to do with distrust of government as an instrument of moral good than it does with fiscal policies per se. As with poor people (who, around here anyway, are intensely conservative politically, paradoxically enough) I think those who feel personally insecure, whether financially or morally, are more likely, in general, to be empathetic than those who really believe one has built or can build a paradise on earth.
 
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