Its hard to stay positive with daily scandal revelations

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This is more of the same story that has been coming to light since 2002. The John Jay report told us much about the prevalence of this rot in the US church. As investigations are completed across all the diocese and all the states, we will continue to see the John Jay report affirmed.

This is a necessary process so that the victims and the church can heal.

Additionally, this is a news thread, so I am moving it to the Catholic News subforum.
 
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‘Its hard to stay positive with daily scandal revelations’

God is real, we are told if we are good we will go to heaven , that’s very positive.

The Church is strong and is working on these problems, try not to worry.
 
I struggle with staying positive. However I appreciate the daily revelations if scandal. And I believe it will get worse. And then I believe all these appeasing words and half measures will be seen for the junk they are and either a direct intervention from God or a massive movement within the church will happen.
 
When going into battle we need to stay positive! Why? Because we win.

I will fight for my Church. I will demand accountability. I will fight for justice for victims. I will defend good priests and bishops.

The Church needs good Catholics to take a stand.
 
Hoosier-Daddy said:
I struggle with staying positive. However I appreciate the daily revelations if scandal. And I believe it will get worse. And then I believe all these appeasing words and half measures will be seen for the junk they are and either a direct intervention from God or a massive movement within the church will happen.
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I tend to agree. It’s going to get worse before it gets better. I also fully expect that in the U.S., and perhaps in other countries as well, there will be at least one more major Church figure to get toppled like McCarrick in the coming years. Eventually the situation will become so untenable that a major shift will have to happen, or will be forced to happen. I tend to not think that this is too pessimistic of an outlook, but simply a realistic prediction for the future. I think the situation will not be fully cured until an entirely new generation of clergy rises into leadership positions and all of the current Church leaders connected, however remotely, with the scandals are dead or retired.
 
I wonder if this is related: Explaining the extent of the problem, Father Paweł Malecha of the Apostolic Signatura, the Vatican’s highest judicial authority, noted that since the year 2000, more than 500 Catholic churches have closed in Germany, a third of which were demolished, while the remainder were sold or used for other purposes. Meanwhile, more than 500 churches will close in the Netherlands over the next decade.

“Many adverse cases of closure are arriving at the Signatura, which suggests that the phenomenon is spreading,” Father Malecha said.

According to Georgetown University’s Center for Applied Research in the Apostolate, the number of parishes in the United States fell sharply from 2000 to 2017, from 19,236 to 17,156, a drop of 2,080, compared to a decline of just eight parishes from 1985 to 2000.
 
It is definitely related, at least in part. Numerous surveys conducted over the years have reflected that a common reason that people cite for leaving the Church is the sexual abuse crisis. Mass attendance has been dropping steadily for over 50 years. Fewer people means that fewer parishes and Church buildings are needed. There are specific areas that are exceptions to this, but overall in the western world the size and the influence of the Church has been greatly diminished over the last several decades.

The Catholic Church in Germany has such low mass attendance that it would probably cease to exist if it were not for the government church tax in that country.
 
Yes I saw that, however until we get to the bottom of Pope Francis alleged covering up the activities of his close ally Theodore McCarrick we probably need to withhold judgement.
 
Don’t let the wolves distract you from the Truth. Have faith in God, he will provide. Justice will occur. Jesus said that the gates of Hell would not prevail over the Church.
 
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Yes, he is asking people to turn from sin and crime and face criminal justice.
Is there a problem with that? Holy Father Pope Francis cannot operate civil criminal courts. That’s a matter for the law. And criminal civil courts are the appropriate authority.
Read the statement. Holy Father is saying no effort will be spared to bring these people to justice. And has stated serious errors were made.

There is sin everywhere.
 
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What might make a bigger difference and produce better results than asking child abusers to turn themselves in, would be to urge victims to come forward. Assuring them that not only will this help them get justice but it will help others from being abused. Comforting them that they will be believed, taken seriously, loved, and cared for. Not like the words of the Holy Father to the Chilean victims that I’m sure he regrets now. By calling on all of us, every Catholic to come forward and help get rid of this problem. By protecting our weakest, our most vulnerable. By empowering law enforcement to have access to information, by ordering bishops to comply with investigations. By himself, saying this will end and end now under his reign.
He is the leader, the Vicar of Christ on earth, he has power over bishops, priests, diocese. He can change the Words of the Lord’s prayer, decide what language should be used to consecrate the Eucharist, Direct entire bishops conferences to drop it. etc. He can move a cardinal or bishop he disagrees with theologically. But “turn yourselves in” is almost one of the weirdest PR moves I can imagine. Watching February closely!
 
We do all that here 🙂 But the Pope needs to tell these perpetrators to confess up. The Pope has also said that before each Bishop turns up in February, he has to make contact with survivors and talk to them .

You must understand, these people are survivors, not victims. And they must be believed by the entire society, not just the Church. And that is just not happening yet. Look at the reaction to that trial of that public figure in Australia. Jump on the thread where people and the media are saying it couldn’t have happened.
What survivor is going to come forward when society and the media are running that discourse.

Before survivors are going to be comfortable to come forward, that disbelief and accusation of lying and making it up for some hidden agenda must stop.

We , as a society are so guilty of it. We must change. Not the survivors. We society and the perpetrators and the Church and every single organisation must change

Place the responsibility and ramifications where they should be. On the perpetrators to come forward so the survivors don’t have to go through court trials and all the associated trauma.

Make the perpetrators responsible.
 
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KevinK . . .
Its hard to stay positive with daily scandal revelations
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It IS tough Kevin.

There are some real bad guys in the Church in influential positions.

But what they are doing is AGAINST what we teach.

These guys are in trouble, not for following Catholicism, but for deviating from it.

The whole world awoke and found itself Arian.

The Arian heresy times were ALSO tough times for the Church but by grace, the Church ALWAYS endures and takes difficult times to emerge stronger!

Don’t let the bad guys win. Don’t give yourself over to even a natural despair.

God chose you from before the dawn of time to be here now to fight for His Bride, the Church.

Answer that call and be all the more resolved to do spiritual battle in prayer, fasting, catechizing yourself deeper, Adoration, and evangelization.

It’s going to get worse before it gets a whole lot worse.

Stand strong brother and be a Saint!

God bless.

Cathoholic
 
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Look at the reaction to that trial of that public figure in Australia. Jump on the thread where people and the media are saying it couldn’t have happened.
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One of the reasons they are saying that is that the scenario outlined in the prosecution’s case is described as literally impossible.

There have been unfortunate cases of false accusations.

The fact that in one case people say the evidence is totally against the accuser does not mean there is a general tendency not to believe accusers.
 
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