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My parents have up and blocked… no… completely removed the “nun channel”. That’s EWTN! Now I can no longer watch the “Catholic Junk”! I am not a happy camper right now. My happy face is just a mask —> 😃

I think this is some kind of “first shot” and if I am right, it will be followed by invitations to “bible studies” by the preacher at the Church of Christ that I pay lip service to every Sunday morning, in which he will show me the errors in the false doctrines of the Catholic Church! Any advice here?
 
Jon,

As a 16 year old you must be respectful to your parents for now. When you are older and out of their house you may make the decision to become a Catholic. The time will go very fast. Pray for yourself and your parents.

In the meantime there are many more sources of information on the Catholic Church that you can study. Look on the internet, check your local library. There is a lot of information right here on the forums.

Talk openly to your parents about delving for the truth. Ask your parents to pray with you. Let them know that you seek to know God in the fullest sense of the Word and would like them to help you on the path. Engage them in meaningful discussions. (Not arguements).
 
EWTN lets you download audio (and video I think) of their programs. If you have headphones, you can listen to them from your computer.
 
You should read about Pier Giorgio Frassati. His parents were nominal Catholics who were hostile to “religious extremes.” He used to climb out his window to go to daily Mass. He was able to achieve sanctity despite his parents (whom he loved very much and to whom he was always very respectful).

piergiorgiofrassati.org/

bettnet.com/frassati/

Keep praying and reading in the Faith!

Also, I think you should speak to a holy priest.
 
Jon,

As a 16 year old you must be respectful to your parents for now. When you are older and out of their house you may make the decision to become a Catholic. The time will go very fast. Pray for yourself and your parents.

In the meantime there are many more sources of information on the Catholic Church that you can study. Look on the internet, check your local library. There is a lot of information right here on the forums.

Talk openly to your parents about delving for the truth. Ask your parents to pray with you. Let them know that you seek to know God in the fullest sense of the Word and would like them to help you on the path. Engage them in meaningful discussions. (Not arguements).
Great advice. I miss watching EWTN too. I only watch cable at the gym but stopped going to the gym for other reasons. But there are plently of good books. I am reading one now called “The Faith Explained” which is about the Catechism but written in style which is easy to read.
 
My parents have up and blocked… no… completely removed the “nun channel”. That’s EWTN! Now I can no longer watch the “Catholic Junk”! I am not a happy camper right now. My happy face is just a mask —> 😃
JMJ + OBT​

You can also watch and/or listen to EWTN broadcasting by way of the Internet! Visit the following webpage, and then click the link that best matches your Internet connection speed:

ewtn.com/audiovideo/index.asp

It’s the exact same programming that you would hear if you watched EWTN on cable TV or tuned into an AM/FM station broadcasting EWTN’s radio programs.

In Christ.

IC XC NIKA
 
My parents have up and blocked… no… completely removed the “nun channel”. That’s EWTN! Now I can no longer watch the “Catholic Junk”! I am not a happy camper right now. My happy face is just a mask —> 😃

I think this is some kind of “first shot” and if I am right, it will be followed by invitations to “bible studies” by the preacher at the Church of Christ that I pay lip service to every Sunday morning, in which he will show me the errors in the false doctrines of the Catholic Church! Any advice here?
We had a similar case in our diocese. He waited until he was 16 and then joined the Church. If memory serves me correctly, I think that is the minimum age for a person when the parents don’t consent. Maybe I am undestanding it wrong. Anyways, pray as often as possible. Visit EWTN’s website and download what you can. I believe CA has a radio station that you can download programs from as well. Above all, pray. Think of this as a test from the Lord. God Bless.
 
Whenever you are taught a myth or misconception about the Church, come back here and we will set you straight ;). If there is one thing that my Catholic faith has taught me, it is that there is always an answer, and that answers always leads to Christ.

Good luck and God bless 🙂
 
My parents have up and blocked… no… completely removed the “nun channel”. That’s EWTN! Now I can no longer watch the “Catholic Junk”! I am not a happy camper right now. My happy face is just a mask —> 😃

I think this is some kind of “first shot” and if I am right, it will be followed by invitations to “bible studies” by the preacher at the Church of Christ that I pay lip service to every Sunday morning, in which he will show me the errors in the false doctrines of the Catholic Church! Any advice here?
TV is bad for you anyway, EWTN especially so since they serve up much sound, faithful content mixed with some insidious claptrap that teaches nothing but outright heresy, all the while maintaining a thin veneer of orthodoxy.

Keep praying and try to get ahold of some good books. But beware. Just because an author claims to be Catholic doesn’t mean he is reflecting the proper teaching of the Church. There’s a lot of nonsense out there nowadays, much of it from supposedly reliable sources.
 
mixed with some insidious claptrap that teaches nothing but outright heresy, all the while maintaining a thin veneer of orthodoxy.
JMJ + OBT​

That’s a rather biting insult to the hard-working folks at EWTN, who pride themselves so much on their loyaltly to the Magisterium. Please provide some examples of such “outright heresy.” Thank you.

In Christ.

IC XC NIKA
 
That’s a rather biting insult to the hard-working folks at EWTN, who pride themselves so much on their loyaltly to the Magisterium. Please provide some examples of such “outright heresy.” Thank you.
JMJ + OBT​

Dr. Bombay, may Our Lord bless you and may the prayers of the Blessed Virgin draw you closer to the Sacred Heart of her divine Son.

I found this link from looking at one of your previous posts: a sample chapter of “EWTN: A Network Gone Wrong.”

Good grief … Christopher Ferrara certainly has a gift for pointed polemic, but I cringed as I read through it because he not so subtly flies the flag of a disaffected, sour-mouthed radical traditionalist. I’m not going to reproduce the list at the bottom of that page which “nutshells” what looks to be his book-length rant about the such “blasphemies” as the Luminous Mysteries and the fact that EWTN adheres strictly to Pauline Rite in its televised daily Mass. (By the way, it’s either that or not broadcast a daily Mass; and in the last year I’ve seen EWTN broadcast, on a number of occasions, significant portions of TLMs being celebrated in various places around the world, the footage usually being contained in documentaries about young, traditional religious communities; not to mention that EWTN occasionaly broadcasts ad orientem liturgies of visiting Eastern Catholic priests.)

Now, I consider myself to be on the traditional side of the Catholic spectrum, and I hate the watered-down, modernist AmChurch crapola as much as you do. And I appreciate and lament that many God-loving, faithful, traditional Catholics have been treated worse than lepers over the past 40 years. But I’m sorry, it looks to me like Ferrara, in sheer frustration, chose to vent his venom on the good lay folks who are running EWTN these days. Two years ago I spent a week praying, living, an interacting on the grounds of the EWTN studio in Irondale, Alabama. I detected nothing but total commitment to Catholic orthodoxy and tradition, though they face various hurdles and handicaps which have to be addressed carefully (e.g. the local bishop who has such a dislike of the ad orientem posture). I can’t take Ferrara seriously, and I don’t think you should either.

Of course, you know what they say about opinions and everybody having them …

In the Hearts of Jesus and Mary.

IC XC NIKA
 
JMJ + OBT​

Dr. Bombay, may Our Lord bless you and may the prayers of the Blessed Virgin draw you closer to the Sacred Heart of her divine Son.

I found this link from looking at one of your previous posts: a sample chapter of “EWTN: A Network Gone Wrong.”

Good grief … Christopher Ferrara certainly has a gift for pointed polemic, but I cringed as I read through it because he not so subtly flies the flag of a disaffected, sour-mouthed radical traditionalist. I’m not going to reproduce the list at the bottom of that page which “nutshells” what looks to be his book-length rant about the such “blasphemies” as the Luminous Mysteries and the fact that EWTN adheres strictly to Pauline Rite in its televised daily Mass. (By the way, it’s either that or not broadcast a daily Mass; and in the last year I’ve seen EWTN broadcast, on a number of occasions, significant portions of TLMs being celebrated in various places around the world, the footage usually being contained in documentaries about young, traditional religious communities; not to mention that EWTN occasionaly broadcasts ad orientem liturgies of visiting Eastern Catholic priests.)

Now, I consider myself to be on the traditional side of the Catholic spectrum, and I hate the watered-down, modernist AmChurch crapola as much as you do. And I appreciate and lament that many God-loving, faithful, traditional Catholics have been treated worse than lepers over the past 40 years. But I’m sorry, it looks to me like Ferrara, in sheer frustration, chose to vent his venom on the good lay folks who are running EWTN these days. Two years ago I spent a week praying, living, an interacting on the grounds of the EWTN studio in Irondale, Alabama. I detected nothing but total commitment to Catholic orthodoxy and tradition, though they face various hurdles and handicaps which have to be addressed carefully (e.g. the local bishop who has such a dislike of the ad orientem posture). I can’t take Ferrara seriously, and I don’t think you should either.

Of course, you know what they say about opinions and everybody having them …

In the Hearts of Jesus and Mary.

IC XC NIKA
Ok, Bob. That’s a fine ad hominem attack on Mr. Ferrara. But would you care to actually respond to the slavishly documented evidence presented in his book that EWTN is, indeed, a “network gone wrong?” Particularly, please refute these claims:
  • EWTN has undermined the infallibly defined dogma that outside the Catholic Church there is no salvation.
  • EWTN consistently promotes NFP as an “approved” form of Catholic birth control.
  • EWTN has aligned itself with certain Jewish converts who demand the Church create a “Hebrew Catholic” community that will be allowed to observe the Old Law, something condemned by St. Paul and later the Council of Florence.
  • EWTN promotes papolatry, which is idolatry of a man and has little to do with the respect due his office.
    Of course, as you know, he levels several other charges in his book and provides voluminous evidence to back it up.
By the way, I’m not particularly enamored with his knee-jerk defense of Fr. Gruner. I still have too many questions about Gruner and the consecration (or not) of Russia. So I take that portion with a grain of salt.

Nevertheless, when he is directly quoting EWTN broadcasts, it’s hard to question his conclusions.

And may Our Lord bless you too, Bob.
 
My parents have up and blocked… no… completely removed the “nun channel”. That’s EWTN! Now I can no longer watch the “Catholic Junk”! I am not a happy camper right now. My happy face is just a mask —> 😃

I think this is some kind of “first shot” and if I am right, it will be followed by invitations to “bible studies” by the preacher at the Church of Christ that I pay lip service to every Sunday morning, in which he will show me the errors in the false doctrines of the Catholic Church! Any advice here?
There is nothing better to study than the Bible for supporting
your Catholic faith. Here the errors and false doctrines of other
faiths are proved wrong.

For instance, there’s the part where Jesus says to Peter, “I give
you the keys to the kingdom of heaven, whose sins you forgive
will be forgiven, and whose sins you hold bound will be held
bound.”

Or when He says, “on you Peter I will build my church, and the
gates of hell will not prevail against it”.

Or when they say only the Bible is the word of God, the Bible
itself refutes this. The Bible itself says, hold fast to the
traditions that were passed on to you.

Or when they say you can’t do good works to be saved, well,
this is a mis-conception Catholics don’t believe this. But if you
have faith, it will be evidenced by your good works, this is also
in the Bible.

The Bible is the Word of God. The more you study it, the
more your Catholic faith will be strengthened.

This reminds me of Moses when he was a baby. Pharoh’s
daughter found him and Miriam, Moses’ sister said, “do you
want me to find a woman to nurse him?”. And she “found” his
own mother!

Your parents want to steer you away from the faith, but oops!
They “found” studying the Bible!
 
Ok, Bob. That’s a fine ad hominem attack on Mr. Ferrara
JMJ + OBT​

How can I make an ad hominem attack on Mr. Ferrara as I don’t know the least little thing about him. I was giving you my impressions based on what he wrote. My sentence about not taking him seriously … I could have stated that better … I meant I can’t take seriously what was in that sample chapter based on what I read therein.
EWTN has undermined the infallibly defined dogma that outside the Catholic Church there is no salvation.
There is the weekly program and the near-daily reruns of The Journey Home program – that certainly doesn’t smack of indifferentism towards the Church’s Dogma to me. :confused: I have never, ever heard anything from on an EWTN program that contradictied extra ecclesiam nulla salus as expressed and clarified in the Catechism, Gaudium et Spes, and Dominus Iesus. If you don’t think those sources of Catholic teaching are consistent with the Church’s dogma, then well, what can I say? Do you think they are or aren’t? Also, please provide a concrete example, from Mr. Ferrara’s book, which demonstrates that EWTN has or does undermine the Church’s dogma in this regard.
EWTN consistently promotes NFP as an “approved” form of Catholic birth control.
NFP is as wrong as aritificial contraception if a married couple using it to delay or avoid pregnancy does not have reasons for doing so that are consistent with the principles given in the Catechism (CCC 2370), Humane Vitae, etc.

Please provide a concrete example, from Mr. Ferrara’s book, which demonstrates that EWTN promoted or promotes NFP in a way that is contrary to those principles.
EWTN has aligned itself with certain Jewish converts who demand the Church create a “Hebrew Catholic” community that will be allowed to observe the Old Law, something condemned by St. Paul and later the Council of Florence.
Huh??? Bob Fishman, Roy Schoeman, Rosalind Moss, et al. are – the evidence being their own testimonies on EWTN — Catholics whose hearts are aflame with love for Jesus Christ, the Catholic Church, and every one of her teachings. At most they have tried to help the EWTN audience appreciate the “Jewish roots” of the Catholic Faith. Yes, it would be flatly wrong for Jewish Catholics to insist that the Mosaic Law be kept by them or others as if that was necessary in order to be faithful to God (and yes, that goes all the way back to St. Paul). But where in Catholic teaching does it say that maintaining certain, even plentiful, ritual or cultural Jewish practices is itself contrary to the Catholic Faith? And for a Jewish convert to the Church, those practices (depending on which ones we’re talking about, I guess) would take on a new significance in light of their practitioner’s being now united to the Mystical Body of Israel’s Messiah.

Please provide a concrete example, from Mr. Ferrara’s book, which demonstrates that EWTN has aligned itself or is aligning itself with modern-day Judaizers who would have Jewish converts to the Catholic Faith be bound to keep the Mosaic Law.
EWTN promotes papolatry, which is idolatry of a man and has little to do with the respect due his office.
Please provide a concrete example, from Mr. Ferrara’s book, which demonstrates that EWTN promotes such idolatry. FYI, I one time heard (with my own ears, during my visit) an important figure within the EWTN personnel complain that John Paul II was too liberal. I’m not going to give you that person’s name, obviously, but it just goes to show that the EWTN staff is perfectly aware of the human limitations of any one Successor of St. Peter.
Of course, as you know, he levels several other charges in his book and provides voluminous evidence to back it up … when he is directly quoting EWTN broadcasts, it’s hard to question his conclusions.
Please type up some of those charges and the evidence – or a summary, anyway – and allow us to mull them over. You would be well within the limits of the laws governing “fair use” to do so.

Peace be to you, Dr. Bombay.

In the Hearts of Jesus and Mary.

IC XC NIKA
 
Any advice here?
You’re going to hear alot about *Petro *and *Petras. * When Jesus founds the church he says something like “Simon bar Jonah you are Peter and on this Boulder I will found my church…”

In Greek, Petras (boulder) is a feminine word, and Petro (pebbles) is a masculine word. So in the original Greek scriptures it’s goes something like this “Simon bar Jonah you are Pebbles and on this Rock I will found my church…” (Otherwise Peter would have a girls name!) I was taught that this means Jesus was realy saying that Peter was NOT the Rock.

However, keep in mind that Jesus didn’t wander about spouting Greek, he spoke Aramaic and renamed Simon Cephas (Aramaic for rock). So in the original Aramaic conversation Jesus said “Simon bar Jonah you are Cephas and on this cephas I will found my church…” (Even the latest edition of the NIV translates Peter as Cephas.)

There’s alot of teachings like that that are realy hard to spot. Now that there’s the internet the false teachings like that can’t operate under cover of darkness but on the other hand they spread faster too. Over all, I think you’re better off than I was fifteen years ago.

God bless!
 
Dr. Bombay:
EWTN has undermined the infallibly defined dogma that outside the Catholic Church there is no salvation.
While I acknowledge that this SIDE argument should be in another thread, I had to reply to this misinterpretation so the original poster doesn’t get led astray.

First Dr., tell me please under what rule of infallibility as defined by Vatican I is this teaching infallible.

Next, your proper beef (assuming it is proper) is with the Catechism of the Catholic Church:

CCC said:
**“Outside the Church there is no salvation” **

846 How are we to understand this affirmation, often repeated by the Church Fathers? Re-formulated positively, it means that all salvation comes from Christ the Head through the Church which is his Body:

Basing itself on Scripture and Tradition, the Council teaches that the Church, a pilgrim now on earth, is necessary for salvation: the one Christ is the mediator and the way of salvation; he is present to us in his body which is the Church. He himself explicitly asserted the necessity of faith and Baptism, and thereby affirmed at the same time the necessity of the Church which men enter through Baptism as through a door. Hence they could not be saved who, knowing that the Catholic Church was founded as necessary by God through Christ, would refuse either to enter it or to remain in it.

847 This affirmation is not aimed at those who, through no fault of their own, do not know Christ and his Church:

Those who, through no fault of their own, do not know the Gospel of Christ or his Church, but who nevertheless seek God with a sincere heart, and, moved by grace, try in their actions to do his will as they know it through the dictates of their conscience - those too may achieve eternal salvation.

848 “Although in ways known to himself God can lead those who, through no fault of their own, are ignorant of the Gospel, to that faith without which it is impossible to please him, the Church still has the obligation and also the sacred right to evangelize all men.”

John
 
My parents have up and blocked… no… completely removed the “nun channel”. That’s EWTN! Now I can no longer watch the “Catholic Junk”! I am not a happy camper right now. My happy face is just a mask —> 😃

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aren’t EWTN programs available for viewing on the net? I know you can also get them by radio, my brother does this as he has no TV and no computer.
 
I think this is some kind of “first shot” and if I am right, it will be followed by invitations to “bible studies” by the preacher at the Church of Christ that I pay lip service to every Sunday morning, in which he will show me the errors in the false doctrines of the Catholic Church! Any advice here?
My advice -
1 - Refuse the invitations.
2 - If you are forced to go, anything the preacher says that enters one of your ears should come straight out the other ear. (All children are great at doing this at school, so you may as well use the ability for something useful).

That’s my advice which you may or may not choose to take. Some may advise that you go and learn about the bible and hear what he has to say - others may even advise that you might be able to convert your parents and your pastor. I reckon both those options are bad. While it is good to have hope, though, I like to remember the words from the book of Proverbs - ‘Never think you are wiser than you are - just obey the Lord and refuse to do evil’.

This preacher has probably done a lot of practice in converting people, he knows about the ways people think and the best ways to connect with them. He is also very learned, and likely any attempt to challenge him will just result in him humiliating you with his greater knowledge. (I’m not trying to put you down or anything, but it’s just that he has been to several years of bible college or something and will have a lot of answers up his sleeve).

Don’t even listen to him ‘just to see’. If there was a bottle of poison on the table, would you drink it just to see what it tastes like, or just to see if you could withstand the poison? Of course not. God not only allows, but expects ytou to protect yourself from harm whether it be physical or spiritual. So don’t let your pride, or the world’s ideal of being ‘open minded’, get in the way of you protecting yourself. If you are going to be proud of something, be a stubborn Catholic and be proud of that. If anyone says to you to be open to what other religions are saying, tell them what G K Chesterson said - “The mind, like the mouth, was not made to stay open. As the mouth closes on food, so the mind closes on truth”.

May God bless you and may you be safe from the false teachings of your parents’ church (-:
 
You are obliged to God to obey your parents as long as they aren’t asking you to sin.
My entire family completely disowned me when I converted at 15. I knew they would, but it didn’t matter. I was and still am in utter love with The Church Christ gave to me. I also knew it was because they didn’t understand The Faith and they feared for my soul. When I was confirmed, to help me through this hardship, I believe God gave me a mega-dose of Fortitude as His gift.
I didn’t have a computer and EWTN wasn’t offered on TV. I had to get my info from the library. Don’t worry! You will be fine. Two years is nothing and you can offer it to God and consider the trial a free purging. Woo-hoo, free stuff!
By example, you may also convert the hearts of your parents. That is what we are to do, to put our light for all to see!
 
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