It's our fault, no really, it's our fault

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Because it’s our fault, our unlove, out half-stepping, our stopping short of the love that God asked of us.
 
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What is our fault?

Abortion
Abuse
Priestly shortage
Angst
Division
Divorce
“Identity” issues
Selfishness
Narcissism.
 
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If i understand the OP, it’s not your fault specifically that another person decided to have an abortion; but he might be saying that as a Catholic community, or non-Catholics as well, we aren’t promoting Christianity enough, so the evil still exists. Just letting things happen-saying, “oh, we have to do something about crime”_, for example, is maybe what he means?
 
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We must remember that people in a state of grace “participate” in the divine life of the Trinity, and as such there is a whole plane of reality that we can affect.

So your prayer, your acts of penance and other acts of sacrifice can actually change the world, in real and concrete and spiritual ways.

Not believing so is to be faithless.
 
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It is our fault to some extent, possibly to a great extent.

Our prayer might have been too inconstant, too self focused, not accompanied with sacrifice or fasting, not trusting enough, not filled with faith.

And that softness in our response to God, led to a very real flabbiness in the fabric of society leading to a general lowering of morals.

We have to live with more responsibility and with greater eyes of faith, seeing matters as God sees them.
 
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But Catholics believe in the supernatural plane of action. What happens in one member affects another, as Jesus taught us.

My prayer for “the faithfulness of all fathers” last year may somehow cause some father in the Philippines today to push back from his drink at a bar and return home more humble in order to tell his wife that he’s sorry.”

So what we do or don’t do as Catholics have temporal and supernatural effects across space and time.
 
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We must remember that people in a state of grace “participate” in the divine life of the Trinity, and as such there is a whole plane of reality that we can affect.

So your prayer, your acts of penance and other acts of sacrifice can actually change the world, in real and concrete and spiritual ways.

Not believing so is to be faithless
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That doesn’t explain how they’re personally responsible for others’ sins.
 
Read up more deeply on the “Communion of the Saints”, what it really means. It is a spiritual union that exists among the Baptized people of God.

Read 1 Cor 12-ish and surrounding text.

What happens in one part of the body…good or bad…affects the other parts. There is no division.

Your suggestion is divisive in this sense. We are responsible. How we pray, how we sacrifice, how we deal with temptation - do we welcome it, do we handle it cheerfully with God at our side - affects how others deal with with their struggles.

We have to learn to see with a new dimension, no longer just the “temporal” order, the material world, but the supernatural world, the supernatural plane of grace which is working through the body of Christ.
 
I agree with you. We must pray, we must fast/sacrifice, offer sacrifice in our private way, and we must do what we can in the temporal world…write well written letters, learn how to speak about an issue using Catholic principles in a very attractive way, drawing others into the beauty and depth of the teaching, we must be better friends to our friends, so that we can have substantial, no longer superficial conversations with our friends, perhaps eventually supernatural conversations with our friends, when the time and climate of friendship has been well prepared.

Right…we need not confess those sorts of direct sins, but we could perhaps say 'I’ve sinned against the virtue of hope because I no longer pray fervantly for marriages like I used to…I seemed to have given up hope".
 
Well then we better get the saints praying harder with all the evil they’re responsible for. How dare they sin while in sinless union with God- oooohhhh.

If you want to say prayer helps, that’s great. But you go to far to say we’re responsible for evil by logic that we must not be praying hard enough.
 
It’s not really helpful to balloon and exaggerate and distort the point I made, with the actual intention of dismissing the point, and removing from yourself the actual responsibility of a member of the communion of saints. It’s subtle - your dismissal of the point - but it’s still clear.

We share in the actions of others. This isn’t saying the same thing that we are the proximate cause of every evil. This is where you run to use distortion.

And, I am not just saying that prayer helps. I am saying we have spiritual union with other Christians, and we should want to pray for others, we should want to fast for others, we should see ourselves as other Simons of Cyrene, helping Our Lord redeem the world, together.
 
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Good exercise in humility.
“The good of one is the good of all”.
Very Catholic.
 
Distortion here seems to be the culture. Sad.

I am not sure if it’s caused by a lack of intelligence or temperence.
 
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Distortion here seems to be the culture. Sad.

I am not sure if it’s caused by a lack of intelligence or temperence.
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It’s essential to Catholic Christianity that we are the Communion of Saints. We share in each other’s lives fully, both the good and the bad. This of course isn’t the same thing as personal culpability.
The is sourced in the Trinity and the Incarnation. Three persons in communion so intimate as to be one.
Christ is both divine and fully shares our humanity (without sin of course)
 
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