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There is a wonderful tale of St. Francis of Assisi during his effort to have the Pope approve his community’s Rule of Life. That the monks should take a vow of poverty was perfectly acceptable. But Francis’ insistence that the Order should also live by such a standard caused great consternation among the wealthy Orders of the time. The tale tells us that the Pope took Francis through the wealth of the church in Rome, the jewel-encrusted plate, the great art. Then, referring to the story from Acts cited above (Acts 5:1-6), the Pope turned to his guest and said, See, gentle Francis, no longer can the church say Silver and gold have I none. In tender humility, Francis replied, This is true my lord Pope, but then no longer can the church say Take up thy bed and walk.
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This is not a primary source nor is one referenced in your article. 😉

God bless
 
Hisalone said:
There is a wonderful tale of St. Francis of Assisi during his effort to have the Pope approve his community’s Rule of Life. That the monks should take a vow of poverty was perfectly acceptable. But Francis’ insistence that the Order should also live by such a standard caused great consternation among the wealthy Orders of the time. The tale tells us that the Pope took Francis through the wealth of the church in Rome, the jewel-encrusted plate, the great art. Then, referring to the story from Acts cited above (Acts 5:1-6), the Pope turned to his guest and said, See, gentle Francis, no longer can the church say Silver and gold have I none. In tender humility, Francis replied, This is true my lord Pope, but then no longer can the church say Take up thy bed and walk.
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Anyone can put anything in a blog. If you will note, they give not citation only that it is a story. :rolleyes:
 
Hisalone said:
There is a wonderful tale of St. Francis of Assisi during his effort to have the Pope approve his community’s Rule of Life. That the monks should take a vow of poverty was perfectly acceptable. But Francis’ insistence that the Order should also live by such a standard caused great consternation among the wealthy Orders of the time. The tale tells us that the Pope took Francis through the wealth of the church in Rome, the jewel-encrusted plate, the great art. Then, referring to the story from Acts cited above (Acts 5:1-6), the Pope turned to his guest and said, See, gentle Francis, no longer can the church say Silver and gold have I none. In tender humility, Francis replied, This is true my lord Pope, but then no longer can the church say Take up thy bed and walk.
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Interesting site. I think a couple of things here. One, living as a Catholic is not “ordinary”. If anything in this secular world, it is counter-cultural. (I’d say this is true for many Christian religions.)

To St. Francis, perhaps you are not familiar with the vision he had, how he changed from party guy to disciple of Christ? You should check it out. Especially the part where he was instructed to repair Christ’s Church. He wasn’t instructed to tear it apart. Or to fire up a new church. Or replace the Church with something else.

Repair.

I think this quote you found is very indicative of his work. (Whether or not it is a fact, remains to be determined. As I said, I don’t believe something just because it is on the internet.)

Sometimes all of us can get distracted from lives of discipleship. It is a good message for everyone.
 
Interesting these guys give credit to Chesterton for this story.

Twelfth - Once when St. Dominic was with the Pope; the Pope said “Peter can no longer say ‘silver and gold I have none’” Dominic answered “No and neither can he now say ‘Arise and walk’”. Besides being the founder of the Friars Major, St. Dominic introduced the rosary to aid the spiritual life of Catholics.

legalethicsandreform.com/gen_07a.html
 
Hisalone said:
Whether the story is true or fancifull it would have no life to it if it did not reveal a truth.
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Mark Twain
A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." -
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What you quote only reveals the hatred towards the Catholic Church. Is that the truth you are talking about? It is the only truth contained in it.
 
adrift said:
Mark Twain

What you quote only reveals the hatred towards the Catholic Church. Is that the truth you are talking about? It is the only truth contained in it.
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LOL 😃 😃 😃 😃 😃 😃

Please see my post immediately before yours.
 
Hisalone said:
You have never encountered a broken hearted soul that hurts and neeeds healing? Your responses are very harde hearted
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My responses are to people who prey on those in a fragile emotional state.

Writing books, making living off of others pain, that to me is not something to be all happy golly gush over.

ps: I am one of those people who cry at the drop of a hat. If anything, I am too tendered hearted.
 
RebeccaJ said:
My responses are to people who prey on those in a fragile emotional state.

Writing books, making living off of others pain, that to me is not something to be all happy golly gush over.

ps: I am one of those people who cry at the drop of a hat. If anything, I am too tendered hearted.
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Yet you judge the Oates without knowing anything about them. Take time and learn about their ministry and I believe you would find lots to be admired.
 
Hisalone said:
Yet you judge the Oates without knowing anything about them. Take time and learn about their ministry and I believe you would find lots to be admired.
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Sorry, I have no need to. I know where to go to heal a battered soul. And it isn’t a radio program.

Lord, I am not worthy to receive you, but only say the word and I shall be healed.
 
Hisalone said:
Interesting these guys give credit to Chesterton for this story.
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Yes, you’re correct that this story is told by Chesterton, but actually it is in his book about St. Thomas of Aquinas. And it’s clearly labeled as a “tale” rather than an actual event. Though you’re quite right it does point out a failing that the Church has sometimes fallen into.

Have you ever read Chesterton’s book about St. Francis of Assisi? I think you would like it very much. It should be easy to get a copy; however, I would be happy to send you one as a Christmas present if you like. 🙂
 
theistgal said:
Yes, you’re correct that this story is told by Chesterton, but actually it is in his book about St. Thomas of Aquinas. And it’s clearly labeled as a “tale” rather than an actual event. Though you’re quite right it does point out a failing that the Church has sometimes fallen into.

Have you ever read Chesterton’s book about St. Francis of Assisi? I think you would like it very much. It should be easy to get a copy; however, I would be happy to send you one as a Christmas present if you like. 🙂
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Actually I have read several biographies on Francis.
I actually prefer Xavier -he had a very fiesty personality.
Would you be interested in a good book on John Wesely, an extraordinary person actually.😉
 
Not a problem!

St. Francis definately believed in the supernatural, same as all Catholics do.

It just hit me that it is a funny (not funny haha but funny strange) question to ask of Catholics.
 
Hisalone said:
There is a wonderful tale of St. Francis of Assisi during his effort to have the Pope approve his community’s Rule of Life. That the monks should take a vow of poverty was perfectly acceptable. But Francis’ insistence that the Order should also live by such a standard caused great consternation among the wealthy Orders of the time. The tale tells us that the Pope took Francis through the wealth of the church in Rome, the jewel-encrusted plate, the great art. Then, referring to the story from Acts cited above (Acts 5:1-6), the Pope turned to his guest and said, See, gentle Francis, no longer can the church say Silver and gold have I none. In tender humility, Francis replied, This is true my lord Pope, but then no longer can the church say Take up thy bed and walk.
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and who wrote this masterpiece? the pope or St Francisco?

**“I should not believe the Gospel except as moved by the authority of the Catholic Church.”
Saint Augustine (354-430), Against the Letter of Mani, 5,6, 397 A.D… **
 
Hisalone said:
Actually I have read several biographies on Francis.
I actually prefer Xavier -he had a very fiesty personality.
Would you be interested in a good book on John Wesely, an extraordinary person actually.😉
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Thanks, would you believe I have actually read a couple about him? My dad converted to Catholicism from the Methodist church, so I got a pretty good background in both churches growing up.

You’re right, John Wesley was a very admirable person and an exemplary Christian - I have no doubt that he and St. Francis have met and chatted. 👍
 
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