I've been asked a question and don't know the answer

[mercygate]

I found the following in Volume II of *Radio Replies. *#310, p. 84

310. Pope Pius X. made the blasphemous claim that he was "Jesus Christ hidden under the veil of the flesh. Does the Pope speak? It is Jesus Christ who speaks.

A Protestnt paper, the “Church Review,” in England, Oct 3 1895, charged Cardinal Sarto, Archbishop of Venice, with having uttered those words at Venice. Cardinal Sarto was elected Pope in 1903. But as soon as the charge was made in 1895 that Cardinal Sarto had said those words, inquiries were sent from England to Venice, and Cardinal Sarto produced the manuscript of his discourse. And this is what he actually did say: “The Pope represents Jesus Christ Himself, and therefore is a loving father. The life of the Pope is a holocaust of love for the human family. His word is love; love, his weapon, love, the answer he gives to all who hate him; love, his flag, i.e., the Cross, which signed the greatest triumph on earth and in heaven.”

 

[mercygate]

I found this in Radio Replies, Vol. 2, p. 84:

310. Pope Pius X. made the blasphemous claim that he was “Jesus Christ hidden under the veil of the flesh. Does the Pope speak? It is Jesus Christ who speaks.”**

A Protestant paper, the “Church Review,” in England, Oct. 3, 1895, charged cardinal Sarto, Archbishop of Venice, with having uttered those words at Venice. Cardinal Sarto was elected Pope in 1903. But as soon as the charge was made in 1895 that Cardinal Sarto had said those words, inquiries were sent from England to Venice, and Cardinal Sarto produced the manuscript of his discourse. And this is what he actually did say: "The Pope represents Jesus Christ Himself, and therefore is a loving father. The life of the Pope is a holocaust of love for the human family. His word is love; love, his weapon; love, the answer he gives to all who hate him; love, his flag, i.e., the Cross, which signed the greatest triumph on earth and in heaven.

 

[kittykathy]

hi!

i am a Baptist, and i found your post after trying to find the context of a quote from another protestant about the Pope online.

google is good!

it seems to me there are many people who quote Catholics who got the quote wrong!

on this particular one, i found others replies here helpful.

my family came from Saturday Adventists of Minessota…possibly from England originally in the late 1800’s.

we wondered why great grampa and gramma were so against Catholics!

we didn’t know all SA are that way.

one of their sons married one…oh! it hurt them so!

it didn’t help that their grandkids then in the great depression would steal from trucks and go do pennance then do it again and again…it made an even worse impact!

what i try to tell people online is this: check any quotes on a google search for context before you pass it on…or everything else you say goes out the window as lies.

i betcha that the quote you were attacked by never even was uttered by a Catholic’s mouth.

 

[motoeric]

1. This next statement is taken from The Catholic National, July, 1895 “The Pope is not only the representative of Jesus Christ, but he is Jesus Christ Himself, hidden under veil of flesh.”
   I have no clue how to respond to the following since I don’t even know what “The Catholic National” is. The only time I’ve seen Catholic National connnected like this was in reference to the “Polish Catholic National Church” that was in my neighborhood when I was a young kid. My mother would never speak about that church, I’m not even sure these two things are the same.

I know that this is a very old thread, but I was on another forum when this came up and I had to do some digging. I thought that I would share what I found here in case others run into the same claim.

The best information comes from here:
books.google.com/books?id=NIkQAAAAIAAJ&pg=RA2-PA10#v=onepage&q&f=false

Here are a few salient points.

1. The quote comes from three magazines. Two of which quote from the primary source, National Catholic. This is not a ‘Catholic’ magazine as we would understand it colloquially (meaning Roman Catholic). It was a publication of a new church that called themselves Old Catholics. They were closer to Anglicans than to what we consider Catholics.
2. All three magazines were anti-Roman Catholic
3. When the future Pope, via correspondence with a colleague, was asked about the quote (which when written about did not include a date for when the quote was given) he went through his homilies for the entirety of his time in Venice (where the homily was supposed to have been given). He provided the closest thing to the quote from the magazine, which was the following: ‘The Pope represents Jesus Christ Himself, and therefore is a loving Father. The life of the Pope is a holocaust of love for the human family. His word is love. Love his weapons; love, the answer he gives to all that hate him; love, his flag…’ It goes on for a bit.
4. The head of religious head of the Old Catholics that published National Catholic, Dr. Reinkens, had a history of attributing quotes to others that were also fallacious.

In conclusion, it seems that this false quote has enjoyed an improper association to the Roman Catholic Church via the unfortunate name of the magazine National Catholic, which has nothing to do with our Church. The assumption that it does is natural for anyone that doesn’t actually read up on the matter, but they were an angry separatist group similar to today’s sedavacantists.

I hope that helps!

Eric