I've Been Saying This For Years (Real Presence)

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jimmyakin.typepad.com/defensor_fidei/2008/01/ive-been-saying.html

I remember a Poll like that done in Canada back in the early 90s and it showed 25 % belief.

I would like to ask people here what was the wording of the original Poll and how people could be confused by it.
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I have looked at the poll but one thing to think about is in past decades - especially prior to Vat II - how many would even consider answering such a thing??

I think numbers are very deceiving in this area.
 
childofmary1143 said:
jimmyakin.typepad.com/defensor_fidei/2008/01/ive-been-saying.html

I remember a Poll like that done in Canada back in the early 90s and it showed 25 % belief.

I would like to ask people here what was the wording of the original Poll and how people could be confused by it.
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Your link from Jimmy Akin says this, " Among the more highly committed Catholics, it is reasonable to assume that belief in the Real Presence is considerably** higher than 81 percent. **"

If this statistic is true then doesn’t that present another question? Why don’t all Catholics go to Mass at least every Sunday? If 81% of highly committed Catholics believe in the Real, Actual Body and Blood Presence of Christ then you would think those that say that, would not only go to Mass on Sunday but also on Holy Days of Obligation. Yet we all know that on Holy Days a Church that has four Sunday Masses will only have one or two for the Holy Day. Even the priest knows only half will show up. And according to Akin these are highly committed Catholics.
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National survey data collected by the Gallup Organization indicate that Catholic Mass attendance has been in decline from a peak in 1957 and 1958. In 2003, Gallup surveys indicated that, on average, **40 percent of Catholics **said they attended Mass within seven days of being surveyed (**compared to 74 percent in 1958). **The three polls conducted **by CARA **in from 2000-2003 indicated, on average, **that 33 percent of Catholics **said they attend Mass every week.
· Pre-Vatican II Generation. Those Catholics born before 1943 came of age in a period prior to the changes of the Second Vatican Council and tend to exhibit high levels of institutional loyalty, including loyalty to the Catholic Church.
· Vatican II Generation. Members of this generation were born between 1943 and 1960 and encompass the cohorts that came of age during a time of profound change in the Catholic Church. Overlapping the generation more widely known as the “baby boomers,” these Catholics entered adulthood during a time of great questioning of civic and cultural institutions.
· Post-Vatican II Generation. This generation, born after 1960, includes the largest numbers of adult Catholics (about half) who have no lived experience of the Catholic Church prior to the Second Vatican Council. Due to its disproportionate size, CARA divides the Post-Vatican II Generation into two segments, one for those older than 30 and one for those between the ages of 18 and 30.
Slightly more than 20 percent of Post-Vatican II Generation Catholics say they attend Mass at least once a week or more. By comparison, 52 percent of Pre-Vatican II Generation Catholics and 38 percent of Vatican II Generation Catholics report weekly Mass attendance
**Pre-Vatican II Generation Catholics **grew up in an era where deliberately failing to attend Sunday Mass or other day of obligation, without good reason, **was quite clearly communicated as a mortal sin. **For the Vatican II and Post-Vatican II generations this has not been emphasized to the same degree…
 
stmaria said:
Your link from Jimmy Akin says this, " Among the more highly committed Catholics, it is reasonable to assume that belief in the Real Presence is considerably** higher than 81 percent. **"

If this statistic is true then doesn’t that present another question? Why don’t all Catholics go to Mass at least every Sunday? If 81% of highly committed Catholics believe in the Real, Actual Body and Blood Presence of Christ then you would think those that say that, would not only go to Mass on Sunday but also on Holy Days of Obligation. Yet we all know that on Holy Days a Church that has four Sunday Masses will only have one or two for the Holy Day. Even the priest knows only half will show up. And according to Akin these are highly committed Catholics.
explore.georgetown.
National survey data collected by the Gallup Organization indicate that Catholic Mass attendance has been in decline from a peak in 1957 and 1958. In 2003, Gallup surveys indicated that, on average, **40 percent of Catholics **said they attended Mass within seven days of being surveyed (**compared to 74 percent in 1958). **The three polls conducted **by CARA **in from 2000-2003 indicated, on average, **that 33 percent of Catholics **said they attend Mass every week.
· Pre-Vatican II Generation. Those Catholics born before 1943 came of age in a period prior to the changes of the Second Vatican Council and tend to exhibit high levels of institutional loyalty, including loyalty to the Catholic Church.
· Vatican II Generation. Members of this generation were born between 1943 and 1960 and encompass the cohorts that came of age during a time of profound change in the Catholic Church. Overlapping the generation more widely known as the “baby boomers,” these Catholics entered adulthood during a time of great questioning of civic and cultural institutions.
· Post-Vatican II Generation. This generation, born after 1960, includes the largest numbers of adult Catholics (about half) who have no lived experience of the Catholic Church prior to the Second Vatican Council. Due to its disproportionate size, CARA divides the Post-Vatican II Generation into two segments, one for those older than 30 and one for those between the ages of 18 and 30.
Slightly more than 20 percent of Post-Vatican II Generation Catholics say they attend Mass at least once a week or more. By comparison, 52 percent of Pre-Vatican II Generation Catholics and 38 percent of Vatican II Generation Catholics report weekly Mass attendance
**Pre-Vatican II Generation Catholics **grew up in an era where deliberately failing to attend Sunday Mass or other day of obligation, without good reason, **was quite clearly communicated as a mortal sin. **For the Vatican II and Post-Vatican II generations this has not been emphasized to the same degree…
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Exactly. 👍 Also the thing that has to be considered is this. At the time that the Poll was done, was it 25 or 33% of ALL Catholics or just those who go to Church on Sunday.
 
While this poll doesn’t address the “Real Presence” question I think it acturately reflects the problems that the Church is facing. Jimmy Akins article addresses “highly committed Catholics.” This survey I believe reflects the average “not highly committed” Catholic.

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A 2005 survey polled Catholic attitudes on “Helping the poor,” and found that 84 percent of Catholics said it is “very important.” Excellent. Polling on “The Catholic Church’s teachings that oppose same-sex marriage” found that only 47 percent said it is “very important.” As for “The teaching authority claimed by the Vatican,” only 42 percent of Catholics said it is “very important.” This is substandard.

A 2003 survey asked, “How essential are these teachings…?” Only 38 percent said that “Private confession to a priest” is “essential.” Only 29 percent said that the “Belief that only men can be priests” is “essential.” Terrible.

Surveys over the years asked, “Can you be a good Catholic without this?” “Without obeying the Church hierarchy’s teaching regarding abortion”: In a 1987 survey, 39 percent of Catholics answered “yes”; in a 2005 survey, 58 percent said “yes.” “Without obeying the Church hierarchy’s teaching on divorce and remarriage”: In 1987, 57 percent said “yes”; in 2005, 66 percent said “yes.” “Without their marriage being approved by the Catholic Church”: In 1987, 51 percent said “yes”; in 2005, 67 percent said “yes.” “Without obeying the Church hierarchy’s teaching on birth control”: In 1987, 66 percent said “yes”; in 2005, 75 percent said “yes.”
 
stmaria said:
While this poll doesn’t address the “Real Presence” question I think it acturately reflects the problems that the Church is facing. Jimmy Akins article addresses “highly committed Catholics.” This survey I believe reflects the average “not highly committed” Catholic.

newoxfordreview.org/note.jsp?did=1007-notes-sinking
A 2005 survey polled Catholic attitudes on “Helping the poor,” and found that 84 percent of Catholics said it is “very important.” Excellent. Polling on “The Catholic Church’s teachings that oppose same-sex marriage” found that only 47 percent said it is “very important.” As for “The teaching authority claimed by the Vatican,” only 42 percent of Catholics said it is “very important.” This is substandard.

A 2003 survey asked, “How essential are these teachings…?” Only 38 percent said that “Private confession to a priest” is “essential.” Only 29 percent said that the “Belief that only men can be priests” is “essential.” Terrible.

Surveys over the years asked, “Can you be a good Catholic without this?” “Without obeying the Church hierarchy’s teaching regarding abortion”: In a 1987 survey, 39 percent of Catholics answered “yes”; in a 2005 survey, 58 percent said “yes.” “Without obeying the Church hierarchy’s teaching on divorce and remarriage”: In 1987, 57 percent said “yes”; in 2005, 66 percent said “yes.” “Without their marriage being approved by the Catholic Church”: In 1987, 51 percent said “yes”; in 2005, 67 percent said “yes.” “Without obeying the Church hierarchy’s teaching on birth control”: In 1987, 66 percent said “yes”; in 2005, 75 percent said “yes.”
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This is exactly what happens when Catholicism goes from being The Church founded by Christ Himself as the instrument to save mens souls, to just the worlds biggest social welfare organization.
 
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