Jack Chick -- a vent

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vocatio said:
If it were up to me…Pope for a day…I’d say “LOCK AND LOAD, WE"RE MOVING IN!!!” Jack Chick is nothing less that a scandalizing liar. I would not want to be him at the judgment.

I’m amazed how man folks have never read his trash since it’s propogated by nearly every fundamentalist group out there on one level or another. Sad stuff.
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I dunno. I think it’s kind of cool that Protestants – to use the term loosely – have somebody who makes them cringe. He’s not nearly as big a target as the Inquisition is when people come at us, but hey! He’s only been in business for 40 years or so. He’s done a fair amount of damage for one guy.
 
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Della:
It ain’t gonna be pretty, poor man, unless he repents and recants.
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Funnily enough, that exact sentiment appears in basically every one of his tracts that doesn’t have the happy-hallelujah-sinner’s-prayer ending (and some that do!). Talk like that, and you’ve just bungie-jumped off the moral high ground without a rope
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Yes, that is the sort of tack he’d take, which is what I was referring to by my remark. It’d be simple justice, but I added “unless he repents and recants” because there is mercy for even the most wrong-headed, hate-filled person out there. St. Paul is the perfect example of that. When Jesus appeared to him he didn’t say: “You poor man you just don’t understand” he said: “Why are you persecuting me?” And that was the truth. Mr. Chick needs to be brought to the truth before he can have mercy. And that is possible for him just as it is for all of us.
 
historyb said:
Well that’s good to know we can get ready. 😃 Oh wait I’ll be part of the last one since I’m RCC 🙂
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Jack Chick also claimed that the Jesuits send pretty Catholic girls undercover into protestant churches to seduce the clergy and start sex scandals to close those churches down.
 
mercygate said:
I dunno. I think it’s kind of cool that Protestants – to use the term loosely – have somebody who makes them cringe. He’s not nearly as big a target as the Inquisition is when people come at us, but hey! He’s only been in business for 40 years or so. He’s done a fair amount of damage for one guy.
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Are there any Catholic apologists who make your average catholic cringe? Do you have a Jack Chick of your own?
 
Let’s not forget that Chick blasts any of us Protestants who dare to stand up for our brothers and sisters in the Catholic church. This guy is a shameless hate monger who just doesn’t care about truth.

He has taken on, among other people, Billy Graham. He too is a agent of the Pope!

It’s a real shame that we have no way to excommunicate this nut!

Please know that, as was mentioned in the email, he has been admonished and condemned by many, many people in our faith communities (perhaps most notably the late Walter Martin).
 
PastorVW said:
Let’s not forget that Chick blasts any of us Protestants who dare to stand up for our brothers and sisters in the Catholic church. This guy is a shameless hate monger who just doesn’t care about truth.

He has taken on, among other people, Billy Graham. He too is a agent of the Pope!

It’s a real shame that we have no way to excommunicate this nut!

Please know that, as was mentioned in the email, he has been admonished and condemned by many, many people in our faith communities (perhaps most notably the late Walter Martin).
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What did Dr. Walter martin say about him?
 
Mirdath said:
Funnily enough, that exact sentiment appears in basically every one of his tracts that doesn’t have the happy-hallelujah-sinner’s-prayer ending (and some that do!). Talk like that, and you’ve just bungie-jumped off the moral high ground without a rope :tsktsk:

The list of complaints one can have about Chick is long enough already without stooping to his level:
  • inaccurate, slanted, and outright fabricated ‘facts’
  • Alberto Riviera (see above)
  • takes to extremes the bizarre persecution complex displayed by many American Christians in spite of the fact that the vast majority of Americans are, as it happens, Christian
  • terrible art (although he later hired a fairly decent artist)
  • ridiculous writing (the one with the gang drive-by – I think there’s only one of those – was vastly improved with every word and sound effect replaced by the word ‘bingo’)
  • inane plots that appear to be resolved with a coin-flip deciding whether the protagonist says the sinner’s prayer or spends eternity getting pitchforked in the bum
  • can sound more like Robert Anton Wilson than not the moment someone brings up sex, drugs, rock’n’roll, Jesuits, supercomputers, Communists, Islam, homosexuality (the blood-drive AIDS terrorism tract was both horrifying and amusing), roleplaying games, Christian rock (I agree with him here, except I think that it is a conspiracy to make the awful Haugen-Haas hymns you guys sing in church sound good by comparison), and pretty much everything else, possibly including himself
  • is very likely sincere, committed, and believes he is doing God’s will, a hat trick that often leads to disastrous results but here fortunately led only to annoying cartoons
  • sorry Gottle, he’s a bigot, bigotry does not imply knowledge (it usually walks hand-in-hand with its opposite)
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Nor did the post say bigotry does imply knowledge - we agree on your conclusion 🙂​

The good stuff:
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“WWBEF ?” is hilarious :). As to his being a bigot - if one does not know him, one should put the best possible construction on his acts. As you say, he “is very likely sincere, committed, and believes he is doing God’s will, a hat trick that often leads to disastrous results”.​

This is very much to the point:
  • I have seen both in books and in real life so many worthy men fall into error and fall in such an incredibly stupid manner that I refuse to consider the inexactitudes of certain persons as due to deliberate falsehood. Are there not enough explanations besides this one to account sufficiently for the blundering of our feeble intellect ? Even genius itself, however high it may tower above us, is still always near to the ground.
  • from: (Father) J.-M.-S. Gorini (1803-59), Defense de l’Eglise, Paris 1886 (10th edition); as quoted in: M. V. Hay, **A Chain of Error in Scottish History **p.158 (London 1927)
    The explanation by bigotry isn’t necessary - everything can be accounted for, without accusing Chick of that. He’s very entertaining, if unintentionally; as the parody sites show.
A lot of the Catholic-bashing nonsense in the tracts would circulate anyway - all Chick has done is make some of it better known than it might be otherwise. The Net is a very powerful means of spreading Catholic bashing fiction, even without Chick; so it is not obvious that his activities are that significant. There was plenty of anti-Catholicism before Chick’s contribution - some at least of the more bizarre of his publications can be got from other outlets. Plenty of the material he publishes either could have been thought of without him, or was: so how important is his activity ?

BTW, who is Robert Anton Wilson ?
 
PastorVW said:
Let’s not forget that Chick blasts any of us Protestants who dare to stand up for our brothers and sisters in the Catholic church. This guy is a shameless hate monger who just doesn’t care about truth.

He has taken on, among other people, Billy Graham. He too is a agent of the Pope!

It’s a real shame that we have no way to excommunicate this nut!

Please know that, as was mentioned in the email, he has been admonished and condemned by many, many people in our faith communities (perhaps most notably the late Walter Martin).
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Hate-mongers aren’t born - if he is one, it must be something he acquired. The question is - how ?​

His own position is as vulnerable as yours, if that’s any consolation 🙂 - as more than one poster on various threads has noticed, he too could be accused of being a Catholic “mole” in Protestantism - if Catholics are as deceitful & as cunning & unscrupulous as he claims, there is no way he can prove he is not a secret Jesuit who has been instructed by the “black Pope” to make Protestants look bad.

Far more disturbing is that there are Christians who can’t see that the idea that other Christians are liars who cannot be trusted makes it impossible for the accused to show they are not lying. As they can’t, & as they are treated as liars, it is logically impossible for them to correct pernicious misunderstandings about what they believe.This is how religious animosities remain alive & strong & uncorrected 😦 The logic of Chick’s position - which is not his logic or position alone - spells the end for all possibility of trust between Catholics & Protestants. Unfortunately, there are passages in the Bible which appear to justify it; “appear” being the word. I think certain theologies lend themselves to his position.
 
I read about half a dozen posts and am getting out of here.

This man is vomit and to pay any attention to the likes of this monster is unworthy of a person.

Of course the Catholic Church provides a lot of material that sells!

Not for me. why don’t you cancel this thread because to discuss this vomit is to lose dignity and waste time.

😃

:mad: :eek: :nope:
 
Chris_LaRock said:
Are there any Catholic apologists who make your average catholic cringe? Do you have a Jack Chick of your own?
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I think some of those who have dropped off the right edge of the earth can be a little “odd.” But I don’t know of anybody who has a paranoid obsession like Chick’s.
 
Chick doesn’t like Methodists either - we baptize infants just like the Whore of Babylon, and brainwash them early. We’re headed to hell too.

At least you’ll have company. 😃
 
O.S.Luke said:
Chick doesn’t like Methodists either - we baptize infants just like the Whore of Babylon, and brainwash them early. We’re headed to hell too.

At least you’ll have company. 😃
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Stop trying to pull the wool over our eyes. You know you’re an agent of the Black Pope, just like Billy Graham!

I’m holding that Chick himself is an undercover agent for the Jesuits.

– Mission: Make Protestantism look so stupid that people will run to the Catholic Church just to get away from being on Jack Chick’s “approved” list.
 
mercygate said:
There was a riotously funny thread about him on these forums about two years ago – maybe three? Found it. One contributor had built an entire edifice about how Jack Chick was actually a Jesuit. Good thing not to be drinking coffee anywhere near your keyboard when you find that thread.
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I remember that thread! It made an otherwise dreary day into a hilarious one!

:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

This one is destined to be a classic if that’s possible. Just timeless:clapping:

BTW I did get the email the other day and another one today. I would like to get Jimmy Akin’s book since I know plenty of people who believe all that garbage!
 
About 7 years ago, someone left a “Death Cookie” tract on my car when I was in a store, and it really ticked me off. At the time I knew enough about my faith to know the tract was all wrong, but could not articulate the reasons with clarity…

…Here I am in 2008, a much better apoligist. I can’t think of anything better to say to the man except perhaps,

Thanks Jack Chick, for making me a better Catholic! 👍

Peace,
-Robert
 
whatevergirl said:
The most shocking thing he wrote was that Catholics believe that the pope and priests are ‘mini Jesuses.’
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This may have been based on the teaching that the priest,
offering Mass, is held to be an alter Christus - 'another Christ."

reen12
 
Gottle_of_Geer said:
As to his being a bigot - if one does not know him, one should put the best possible construction on his acts. As you say, he “is very likely sincere, committed, and believes he is doing God’s will, a hat trick that often leads to disastrous results”.
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The best possible construction that comes to mind is that he is a bigot and simply doesn’t realize it. Bigotry describes attitudes, which he’s got in spades.
A lot of the Catholic-bashing nonsense in the tracts would circulate anyway - all Chick has done is make some of it better known than it might be otherwise. The Net is a very powerful means of spreading Catholic bashing fiction, even without Chick; so it is not obvious that his activities are that significant. There was plenty of anti-Catholicism before Chick’s contribution - some at least of the more bizarre of his publications can be got from other outlets. Plenty of the material he publishes either could have been thought of without him, or was: so how important is his activity ?
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Anti-Catholic, anti-Muslim, anti-gay, anti-rock, and anti-D&D sentiments have existed and will exist apart from him, but Jack Chick is the single most famous crackpot tract publisher currently in existence, and it seems doubtful that he will be overshadowed any time soon. He is, unfortunately, culturally significant purely by ‘virtue’ (I use the term loosely) of his fame.
BTW, who is Robert Anton Wilson ?
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He wrote the Illuminatus! trilogy, some very entertaining books in which virtually every fnord conspiracy theory ever is revealed to be fnord factual.
 
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