Jack Chick has died

[Peter_J]

Victims as a consequence of our actions are simply more important to my prayer, the ones forgot because they don’t have a status, I simply believe they deserve more mention.

I think we agree more than we disagree.

I’m quite ready to take a stand against hate literature directed at gays, Muslims, Jews, Mormons, and of course Catholics.

 

[ffg]

It actually sounds like you don’t know me at all, Jack Chick didn’t exist to me until he was mentioned here.

A soul destroyed is a poetic license, a literary device, not a literal device. A soul is destroyed when one rejects God, and even becomes angry towards God. It is a demeanor, it is a state of being.

Victims as a consequence of our actions are simply more important to my prayer, the ones forgot because they don’t have a status, I simply believe they deserve more mention.

Thanks for the reply!

I agree with the above. We agree more than not.

I agree I don’t know you.

I agree with your restatement of what I wrote, though the lesson was a bit much…

It is important to remember we are on a forum that is read by a whole lot of people that would not take the post to which I replied, as you now define.

So I clarified and you clarified again.

And of course ‘victim’s’ (the forgotten / not in the headlines) need prayers.

Have a great night!

Time to go catch (hopefully) another good game - Go IndiCubs!
(Without a dog in the fight and friends on both sides, I need to be the ear to take the joy and the pain on this one)

 

[Kielbasi]

Really? Did you ever see tracts such as Catholics receiving the last rites and going to hell for believing in such perverse Catholic blessings?

Yes I have.

Mr. Chick’s opinion that the sacraments are inefficacious isn’t unusual nor hateful.

You’ll hear that same message from any number of protestant ministers, although usually not as graphically as Chick expressed it.

It was his opinion, and he was concerned about the souls of Catholics and others who didn’t believe as he did. It was wrong, but it wasn’t hate.

The only hate he had was for the demons he imagined were in control of the Catholic Church- or freemasonry, the mormons, satanism, homosexuality or rock and roll.

 

[Sarcelle]

Agreed.

He definitely did not “hate Catholics.”

He tried to get those of us who are Catholic to convert because he sincerely thought we were going to hell. That’s not the same as hating Catholics.

Agreed.

I wouldn’t be a bit surprised to see him in heaven.

I would have to disagree.

If his intentions were to save Catholics he should have had the courtesy to learn what the Catholic Church really taught.

If he learned what the Church really taught and he still disagreed than that’s fine.

But to spread lies and slander? Sorry. That’s not loving.

If someone did that to you, spread lies and slandered against you, never bothering to learn the truth about you, you would be hard pressed to say that this someone’s action was loving.

It just isn’t.

However, now that’s all said and done may he Rest In Peace.

 

[Della]

When I was a member of the Assemblies of God (not that they are to blame) I met people with Mr. Chick’s attitude and feelings towards the Catholic Church. I realized that the basis for their hatred was irrational fear–fear of Satan, certainly, but also, I believe, fear that they may be wrong about the Church. And why would that drive them to be so vehemently anti-Catholic? Because they simply could not/would not accept the possibility. If they were wrong it would mean tearing up their whole lives (as they believed) and admit that all they had believed and done had been for nothing. Of course, that wouldn’t have been true, but feelings aren’t rational. People can’t be reasoned out of their feelings, especially when they’ve tied their whole identity to them. I feel Mr. Chick was one of those. That’s just my idea about what drove him to do what actually was quite hateful, deluding himself that he was helping people get to heaven.

Unfortunately, he didn’t engender love for God in his tracts, merely servile fear. True fear of God is not servile, but filled with awe at the great love of God and how we fail him, not base, like a slave fearing to be beaten. It’s so sad the man spent his whole life endeavoring to get people to be afraid instead of trusting in the very God he believed he was serving. But the Holy Spirit is greater than our efforts, good or bad. He often used Chick tracts to turn people towards the very thing Mr. Chick thought he hated–towards the Church. If that made Mr. Chick a vessel of honor or dishonor only God can judge. All the more reason to pray for the man’s soul, as well as all influenced by his garish, lurid, hate-filled tracts.

Just read an article about Jack Chick others may want to read: getreligion.org/getreligion/2016/10/25/ap-turns-anti-catholic-superstar-jack-chick-into-an-all-purpose-fundamentalist-hero.

 

[Peter_J]

Yes I have.

Mr. Chick’s opinion that the sacraments are inefficacious isn’t unusual nor hateful.

You’ll hear that same message from any number of protestant ministers, although usually not as graphically as Chick expressed it.

It was his opinion, and he was concerned about the souls of Catholics and others who didn’t believe as he did. It was wrong, but it wasn’t hate.

The only hate he had was for the demons he imagined were in control of the Catholic Church- or freemasonry, the mormons, satanism, homosexuality or rock and roll.

Hi Kielbasi. I don’t often read posts like ^^ this (I use CAF’s Ignore List feature a lot (heck, maybe a bit too much, inasmuch as I sometimes cannot tell where a conversation is going, but that’s a whole other worm can)) but now that I have I feel like I need to respond to it.

Without claiming to know for certain what Chick’s intentions were, I believe it is completely fair to say that some of his cartoons – like some of the ones you referred to, about Catholics, Mormons, and homosexuals – were hate literature.

While I’ve got your attention, I’d like to pose a question to you: would you likewise claim that the aforementioned “reaction of the congregation at the Apostolic Truth Tabernacle when a four-year-old sang “Ain’t No [slur for homosexual] Gonna Make It to Heaven”.” doesn’t indicate hate?

 

[Darryl_B]

Hate literature is a device with limited impact. One can easily shrug off hate-speech and place it in the basket, without taking it to heart. It should not in any way “hurt”. If it does, we have evaluated the opinion of someone else more highly than it is worth, to the point of needing to gain acceptance from one who we don’t even know.

I am starting to see KKK influence.

 

[Peter_J]

Hate literature is a device with limited impact. One can easily shrug off hate-speech and place it in the basket, without taking it to heart. It should not in any way “hurt”. If it does, we have evaluated the opinion of someone else more highly than it is worth, to the point of needing to gain acceptance from one who we don’t even know.

I am starting to see KKK influence.

I think “At The Fringe” – Ch 8 in the book “Catholicism and Fundamentalism” – hits the nail on the head: the real danger of extremists like Chick is that they make other Fundamentalists look reasonable by comparison.

I don’t think you can read the whole chapter online, but some can be accessed here.

“The public is always willing to accept someone or some organization that appeals to its unrespectable prejudices if it can, at the same time, reject propagandists at the fringe.”

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And don’t forget that a lot of Chick’s hate literature is directed at Catholics.