Jack Chick on the Vatican

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Hesychios:
I doubt that very many Catholics will are influenced by him.

Even those who know very little about the Faith will be highly offended and lost to his efforts.

The real targets are the Chick Tract Junkies who buy most of it. It’s like preaching to the choir for them, they definately want to read garbage about the church.
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Good point. From reading some of Jimmy Aikin’s stuff, there’s a good few people out there who buy his tracts because they are so awful just to get a kick out of them.
 
It has been my experience that most Catholics have left because they “were not being fed” (their words- not mine), not because a fundamentalist preacher taught them the ‘evil of their ways’. We need more catechesis.
 
i think this guy’s a couple ships short of a fleet. i personally know people tha tlisten to his garbage. lemme tell ya, they are crazy too.
 
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why do people say those things about jesuits?
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I don’t believe anyone addressed this question directly, so I’ll give it a punch.

The Society of Jesus was notorious for training highly dedicated priests and brothers who posessed a singular devotion to the Papacy and incredible success at restoring the church in the Catholic Reformation years.

It is sometimes overlooked that most of Europe had become Protestant as the Protestant Reformation rolled on across Europe. The Jesuits can be credited with doing the yeoman’s work of bringing much of it back. The stories about the Jesuits in England are pretty well known (especially the martyrs) but they had far more success in elsewhere in Europe.

They also had incredible success as missioners to the natives in Spanish South America and Brazil, while frustating the efforts of the slavers and other expoitative commercial interests.

The Jesuits acquired a reputation for cleverness, the high standard of training and discipline made it possible to state the case for the church quite well in the face of hostile opponents.

Some people wish to attribute deceitfulness to them, I just think that they were knowledgable and on fire for the Faith.

We could repeat their phenomenal success with good solid basic training in the fundamentals of the Faith, together with debate skills and sincerity.
 
Yes, I know, I live in Argentina and I visited the ruins of the jesuit reducciones in northern Argentina, here people have a good opinion of the Jesuits, thats why it surprises me how this guy hates Jesuits.
 
Are today’s Jesuits as devoted to the Pope as they used to be? I remember hearing that at one point they allowed their order to be killed off simply because the Pope at the time willed it.

Has anyone read “The Jesuits” by Malachi Martin? I haven’t but I imagine it would answer my question. I do however remember him saying that the pope needs an order that are highly skilled in all areas and are totally devoted to him (as the jesuits used to be but, according to him, no longer are).
 
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Are today’s Jesuits as devoted to the Pope as they used to be? I remember hearing that at one point they allowed their order to be killed off simply because the Pope at the time willed it.

Has anyone read “The Jesuits” by Malachi Martin? I haven’t but I imagine it would answer my question. I do however remember him saying that the pope needs an order that are highly skilled in all areas and are totally devoted to him (as the jesuits used to be but, according to him, no longer are).
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There was a series of suppressions, beginning IIRC in 1764. First they were expelled from one or two countries - not having always done themselves many favours, BTW: they managed to get involved in a banking scandal in one country - & in 1773 Clement XIV (1769-74) suppressed them, having been lent on by various rulers, and having been allowed to be elected for that purpose: he was not a strong character 😦 . He imprisoned the General (Lorenzo Ricci), who died in captivity. The Bull of suppression was ignored by the Tsarina (Catherine the Great) who protected such Jesuits as were in Russia. Had she been Catholic, not Orthodox, there might be no Jesuits today. Before it was restored by Pius VII in 1814, the Society survived through the existence of a loose collection of bodies of former members. Notwithstanding the Bull: the suppression was meant to be final. The whole thing is reminiscent of the suppression of the Templars; again, by a weak Pope who was leant on.​

As the Pope said in 1773, “I have cut off my right arm”. The suppression did destroy a body of 20,000 members - so he was right. Popes sometimes do terrible things

The Jesuits had no choice in the matter - if they had resisted, they would today be accused of breaking their vows. 😦 ##
 
I had an Protestant Episcopalian friend years ago who was criticizing the church for a whole bunch of things in the past, naming a whole list of characters like Cardinal Richelieu. He also made a comparison of the pre-reformation Catholic church with the movie The Name of the Rose (book by Unberto Ecco). The monks were an unsavory bunch in the film (although Sean Connery played an admirable Franciscan), and represented for him the superstition and hypocrisy of medieval Catholics. Sean Connery’s part symbolised for him the Protestant enlightenment and rationality creeping into the church (it was actually representative of scholastic learning coming into full flower).

It was a long conversation but basically, I told contended that a lot of the problems of the church in the past were due to the long, slow martyrdom of being under the control of various monarchs and princes who meddled in appointments to episcopal sees compromised the church, while in every generation God raises up saints in the most unlikely places. I stated that the church was nailed to the tree like Christ, and with the help of the Holy Spirit survived those dreadful times. This naturally connected his own church’s background to the problem, not the solution.

He yielded in frustration and said I should have been a Jesuit, thinking I would take that as a compliment. It was rather a veiled insult on his part.
The Society of Jesus was suppressed for political reasons, the Portuguese and Catholic monarchies wanted them out of the way because the Reductions were obstructing the exploitation of the American native peoples. This is major evidence of how much control of the church was in the hands of monarchs and princes across Europe.

The movie The Mission, starring Robert DeNiro is a well made film of that story, although I am sure that they took some artistic liberties in the making of the film.

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Michael
 
I realize most people don’t pay much attention to my blather but in a line above I wrote:
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Hesychios:
The Society of Jesus was suppressed for political reasons, the Portuguese and Catholic monarchies wanted them out of the way
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What I meant to say was: Portuguese and Spanish Catholic monarchies…

Oh well
 
My feelings for Jack Chick fluctuate between fury and hilarity. Usually, the fury comes first, and then I remember how incredibly stupid his stuff is and it turns to hilarity.
It’s incredible, his list of things that have been (supposedly) started by the Catholic Church; including–but not limited to:
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Islam
KKK
Nazis
Freemasonry
The Civil War
Lincoln’s Assassination
The New Age movement
The Illuminati
Communists**

Wohba. :eek:

And yes, we should pray for him. Pray fervently, for him and others like him. As you can see from those links, he’s not the only one. sigh
 
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