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lucybeebee
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No. Disagreeing with someone is one thing. Outright lying and slandering what a group believes is something else entirely. I may not believe what Mormons, Protestants, or JWs teach, but I’m not going to accuse them of Satan worship, world domination, or ritualized child abuse.
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HashemEchad
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Chick is simply the latest in a long line of anti-Catholic preachers. I wonder if anyone has ever taken the time to actually research the history of anti-Catholicism in America? In the beginning it was heavily tied in with xenophobia and nativism.
When large numbers of Catholic immigrants began coming to the USA at the turn of the 20th century (mostly from Southern Europe), many Protestant churches began proselytizing them, not so much to “win souls” as they do now, but to assimilate them into American culture (which at the time was predominantly white, Anglo-Saxon and Protestant.) Protestant churches usually offered English classes as well, to help facilitate assimilation. And it was not only the bornagain churches doing all this, but the mainline churches as well.
Some of you older Catholics may recall a time when the church told you that sending your children to public school was a mortal sin. This was because they still had Protestant (KJV) Bible readings in the public schools, and Catholics were (are?) forbidden to read from Bibles that were regarded as “heretical”. That was all part of the nativism inherent in American culture in those days.
In the 1800s and early 1900s, there were ridiculous books written, claiming to expose Catholicism. The Maria Monk stories are the most infamous…they even said that the Pope wanted to take over the USA, and that the obelisk in Washington, DC matched one in the Vatican; they said it was designed for communication between Rome and Catholic 5th columnists in America (I kid you not about this; many Protestant Americans actually believed this.)
The Ku Klux Klan (which originally barred Catholics because they felt they had dual loyalties) marched up Constitution Avenue in the 1920s…their aim at that time was to make America “White, Gentile, Anglo-Saxon and Protestant”. They were very active in the xenophobic nativist movement of those days, and many Americans belonged to them (even some senators and a US President.) They were highly regarded then, not like they are now.
Jack Chick is the most recent inheritor of this long line of anti-Catholics, although his reasons are different.
When large numbers of Catholic immigrants began coming to the USA at the turn of the 20th century (mostly from Southern Europe), many Protestant churches began proselytizing them, not so much to “win souls” as they do now, but to assimilate them into American culture (which at the time was predominantly white, Anglo-Saxon and Protestant.) Protestant churches usually offered English classes as well, to help facilitate assimilation. And it was not only the bornagain churches doing all this, but the mainline churches as well.
Some of you older Catholics may recall a time when the church told you that sending your children to public school was a mortal sin. This was because they still had Protestant (KJV) Bible readings in the public schools, and Catholics were (are?) forbidden to read from Bibles that were regarded as “heretical”. That was all part of the nativism inherent in American culture in those days.
In the 1800s and early 1900s, there were ridiculous books written, claiming to expose Catholicism. The Maria Monk stories are the most infamous…they even said that the Pope wanted to take over the USA, and that the obelisk in Washington, DC matched one in the Vatican; they said it was designed for communication between Rome and Catholic 5th columnists in America (I kid you not about this; many Protestant Americans actually believed this.)
The Ku Klux Klan (which originally barred Catholics because they felt they had dual loyalties) marched up Constitution Avenue in the 1920s…their aim at that time was to make America “White, Gentile, Anglo-Saxon and Protestant”. They were very active in the xenophobic nativist movement of those days, and many Americans belonged to them (even some senators and a US President.) They were highly regarded then, not like they are now.
Jack Chick is the most recent inheritor of this long line of anti-Catholics, although his reasons are different.
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HashemEchad
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The Know-Nothings were just as bad, yes…they were motivated by nativism also, rather than a sincere desire to “win souls”.
In Philadelphia in the 1800s, they had anti-Irish and anti-Catholic riots, where they burned down Catholic churches, too.
In Philadelphia in the 1800s, they had anti-Irish and anti-Catholic riots, where they burned down Catholic churches, too.
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estesbob
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Jack Chick is an equal opportunity bigot. He attacks anyone who does not share his simplisitc view of Salvation.
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strngrnrth
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He thinks almost all Christains are short of the real thing and therefore untrustworthy. He believes only his narrow type of Baptist faith is really Christian and that other Baptists denoms, Methodists, Episcopalians, Presbyterians, Orthodox, Catholics, Quakers, you name them, they can’t go to heaven unless they have the on-the-floor-in-tears whatever-kind-of-Baptist-he-is experience and then go out and spend a lot of thir tie urging others to do the same thing the same way, in every detail. That’s the bait-and-switch side of his theology. It starts sweet: You just need Jesus, who cares about he details? Then you learn that you don’t “have Jesus” if you don’t experience and understand every part of religious life Chick’s way. He rails agaisnt legalism but doesn’t see his own extremely legalistic attitude. More evidence of paranoid personality syndrome IMO. That kind of failure of self-perception comes with paranoid territory.
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Chris_LaRock
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I’m sorry, but comparing a guy who just draws silly little comics to a genicidal maniac like Hitler is a bit extreme.
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Kay_Cee
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You can find some of that history in *The New Anti-Catholicism *by Philip Jenkins, especially chapter 2.
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mozart-250
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Propoganda is not the distinguishing evil of Nazi Socialism.
Killing millions of Jewish people is.
Comparing Jack Chick (or anybody outside of maybe Stalin, Chairman Mao, and Pol Pot) to Hitler is an insult to all of those who died under Hitler.
First of there is freedom of speech and religion in this country that you should be thankful for. Second of all, you should be very leery of “hate crimes” or for that matter mislabeling anything as hate that you can not prove as hate. A time could come in the near future where you and I could be imprisoned for hate crimes for our hate against gays by opposing gay marriage. You should be very careful about overuse of the word hate.
As silly as I think Chick Tracts are, I could make the argument that anybody who is concerned about the state of my eternal soul (as misguided as it may be) has as its underlying motive love and not hate.
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Chris_LaRock
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My point exactly.
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qui_est_ce
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Well then, you need to talk to Hashem about that.
The Church has pointed out the error of various heresies over the ages. Catholics generally view our non-Catholic Christian brethren separated, as not containing the fullness of Truth.
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dosdog
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Originally Posted by Chris LaRock
Cut the guy some slack. He honestly thinks catholicism is wrong and is genuinely concerned for your salvation. I’ve never had a catholic witness to me about why they think non-catholic christianity is wrong.
Welcome to Early Church Fathers Tracts.org
earlychurchfathers.org/
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Cut the guy some slack. He honestly thinks catholicism is wrong and is genuinely concerned for your salvation. I’ve never had a catholic witness to me about why they think non-catholic christianity is wrong.
Welcome to Early Church Fathers Tracts.org
earlychurchfathers.org/
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estesbob
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So telling the world that Monks raped nuns and aborted their children and buried them in tunnels between monasteries and convents can be an act of love?
I think not.
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qui_est_ce
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Well bring on Al Qaida!. I’m sure they’re sincere. They believe in it enough to blow themselves up.
Bringing people down with lies will never elevate them.
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Colossians 3
Rules for Holy Living
1Since, then, you have been raised with Christ, set your hearts on things above, where Christ is seated at the right hand of God. 2Set your minds on things above, not on earthly things. 3For you died, and your life is now hidden with Christ in God. 4When Christ, who is your[a] life, appears, then you also will appear with him in glory.
5Put to death, therefore, whatever belongs to your earthly nature: sexual immorality, impurity, lust, evil desires and greed, which is idolatry. 6Because of these, the wrath of God is coming.** 7You used to walk in these ways, in the life you once lived. 8But now you must rid yourselves of all such things as these: anger, rage, malice, slander, and filthy language from your lips. 9Do not lie to each other, since you have taken off your old self with its practices 10and have put on the new self, which is being renewed in knowledge in the image of its Creator.
12Therefore, as God’s chosen people, holy and dearly loved, clothe yourselves with compassion, kindness, humility, gentleness*** and patience. 13Bear with each other and forgive whatever grievances you may have against one another. Forgive as the Lord forgave you. 14And over all these virtues put on love, which binds them all together in perfect unity.
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dosdog
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I find myself in the Dog House often - My bite is worse than my bark
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mozart-250
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But if he believed these stories are actually factual. Anyway…
I said I could make the argument…not that I know that is the case.;or even believe that to be the case. Love could be one possible motive for anybody (as misguided as they might be) who believes that I am going to spend eternity in eternal torment and wants to spare me of this fate.
Of course there also might be other motivations (or mixed motives) as well. I am not Jack Chick’s guys shrink and I can not read his heart and mind. Neither can you.
My larger point here is that there are a number of phrases and buzzwords that set off my “over the top” warning alarms. One of them is the word “hate”. A second is Adolph Hitler comparisons.
Disclaimer…none of this should be interpreted as me liking and defending Jack chick.
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estesbob
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And one of mine is “Jack Chick”
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dosdog
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Chick Tracts
Their Origin and Refutation
Part 1
The Nightmare World of Jack T. Chick
catholic.com/library/sr_chick_tracts_p1.asp
Hobbit-Like Human Ancestor Found in AsiaHillary Mayell
for National Geographic News
October 27, 2004
news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2004/10/1027_041027_homo_floresiensis.html
“The Lord of the Rings” Book
lord-of-the-rings.org/books.html
HMMMMM!!!
Their Origin and Refutation
Part 1
The Nightmare World of Jack T. Chick
catholic.com/library/sr_chick_tracts_p1.asp
Hobbit-Like Human Ancestor Found in AsiaHillary Mayell
for National Geographic News
October 27, 2004
news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2004/10/1027_041027_homo_floresiensis.html
“The Lord of the Rings” Book
lord-of-the-rings.org/books.html
HMMMMM!!!
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mozart-250
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And with a faulty theology…
Anyway, much better.
Anyway, much better.
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HashemEchad
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I printed out that “Cthulu and Christ” thing someone linked to…I showed it to my husband.
He used to be a fundamentalist Baptist, not a KJV-only type, or a Jack Chick type, but he did sometimes (SOMEtimes!) hand out JTC booklets when he was younger (oh gosh I hate admitting this…yes I married someone who actually did this when he ran out of his “God’s Simple Plan of Salvation” tracts!!)
He’s now an Orthodox Jew (my how the years change some of us!), but just thought I’d mention that he got a big kick out of the JTC parody. Thanks to the person who posted it!
He used to be a fundamentalist Baptist, not a KJV-only type, or a Jack Chick type, but he did sometimes (SOMEtimes!) hand out JTC booklets when he was younger (oh gosh I hate admitting this…yes I married someone who actually did this when he ran out of his “God’s Simple Plan of Salvation” tracts!!)
He’s now an Orthodox Jew (my how the years change some of us!), but just thought I’d mention that he got a big kick out of the JTC parody. Thanks to the person who posted it!
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