Jack Van Impe?

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I don’t know if this topic has come up before but my sister likes this man and his message. I watched him last night and it does appear that he has memorized the bible and references it often in his talks. Most of his message appears to center around the second coming of Christ as told in Revelations. He makes many comparisons to recent events and believes this generation will in fact see Jesus return.

I was just wondering what, if anything, you folks think of him.
 
I have watched him in the past. I believe him to be a false teacher as is anyone who teaches rapture theology.
 
I never heard of Jack Van Impe, but ever since the destruction of the temple in 70AD, there have been people saying these are “End Times”. Our Lord told us to be ready because we know not the day nor the hour of His coming. We need to live in the present not the future.
 
I consider him a joke at the very least and a false teacher at best.
 
He really isn’t someone your sister should take seriously–he knows his Bible–but his Bible is not Catholic. The nicest thing I can say about him is that he is not anti-Catholic. It seems he greatly admired Pope John Paul II.
 
fear… I understand what you said and believe it to be true. We do not know the time… but only the Father. Jack doesn’t state any particular time, per-se, in his talks, just that current events seem to point that we are in fact in the “end times”.
It was interesting to watch and listen to his comparisons but I also fear what the Lord said about listening to “false individuals”. For instance, althought I did not watch him Billy Graham he seemed to be genuine in his sermons… what say you folks? And how does one know?
I have neglected the Lord for way to long and only these past 6 months or so have I begun to seriously reestablish my relationship with Him and the significance of His sacrifice on the cross and the gift He gave to us in so doing.
I appreciate your comments and hope to read more…
 
He really isn’t someone your sister should take seriously–he knows his Bible–but his Bible is not Catholic. The nicest thing I can say about him is that he is not anti-Catholic. It seems he greatly admired Pope John Paul II.
I agree. I don’t care for him because he teaches the false doctrine of the rapture but at least he’s not anti-Catholic.
 
IMO, the problem with Jack Van Impe is that he misrepresents those who disagree with him. He will defend the Rapture by misrepresenting those who disagree by very subtly implying that they don’t believe in a Second Coming at all. For example, he will quote a scripture about people denying the Second Coming, then say that those denying the Rapture are fulfilling that prophecy.

Once, I watched an episode of his program where the topic was Carl Olson’s Will Catholics Be Left Behind? He showed passages from the Catechism and Pope JP2 talking about the Second Coming and therefore concluded that Olson was not representative of authentic Catholic teaching. The pope actually agreed with Van Impe, not those bad Rapture-deniers who don’t believe in a Second Coming.

Plus, and this is not as serious but is a pet peeve of mine, he brags all the time about the fact that he reads. He reads the Bible, and other books too! Wow! Like on the episode about Olson, he made it very clear several times that he had read the Catechism from cover to cover; I guess he thought that demonstrated he was an expert on Catholic teaching.
 
There are similarities between Jack Van Impe and Harold Camping
of Family Radio. Two misled people who have knowledge of the
Bible and very persuasive responses to Bible questions of their
listening audiences.
One believes Christ will return very soon and the other on a
specific date in 2012.
 
I have known about Van Impe for 30 years. He has had to change his teaching about the “End Times” many times over the years because the world continues to change. He tries so hard to tie events of the day to the Bible because he hopes Jesus will come in his life time. His entire ministry is based on it so it would be a great let down if he was wrong in any way.
 
I don’t watch his program, mainly because I’m leary of anything on TV these days…lol!

In all reality I love how someone else said that the focus should be on the present and not the future.

I have so much to consider on a daily basis…am I going to allow God a greater role in my life today…or be lazy and fall into a trap of just “living”. Am I going to follow the churches teachings and the scriptures today with my heart or fall into the trap of just “living” in the culture with no mind to what I profess to believe.

Honestly, I need so much grace and mercy on a daily basis to just continue in on the faith that I have no time to actually focus on what happens if I make it to the end of this life and instead of dying a physical death experience the Second Coming…for me…I’m just attempting to allow God to work in my life daily and make it to the end of my life doing all he commanded and sharing that Gospel with others.

But that’s my personal philosophy…others I feel have a passion for doing what they feel is being a Watchman on the wall…meaning their wish is to open the eyes of Christians to be aware of the events around them…for that case alone…I don’t fault Van Impe…do I agree with his take on things…no…but do I find some value in alerting Christians to take each day seriously as it might be the last…well for that I give him credit.

Otherwise this obsession and focus on end times is out of focus with the focus I feel Jesus gave to us, reach the lost, baptise, and sacraments.
 
I have known about Van Impe for 30 years. He has had to change his teaching about the “End Times” many times over the years because the world continues to change. He tries so hard to tie events of the day to the Bible because he hopes Jesus will come in his life time. His entire ministry is based on it so it would be a great let down if he was wrong in any way.
GerardPaul… must admit I haven’t thought of it in the way your mentioned. I have only watched his program 21/2 times, and then because my sister suggested it but you have made an interesting point.

All of you have made interesting points and/or comments. For a few moments there I was beginning to think that you guys didn’t believe in the “Rapture”. Maybe you don’t… guess that’s OK too. Personally I do, Lord knows we do need Him to come and square this place away - way to much wickedness going on.
 
On Judgment Day at the end of the world, Christ will come in
glory to achieve the definitive triumph of good over evil which,
like the wheat and the tares, have grown up together in the course
of history. # 681 of the Catechism.

So Catholics do not believe in a secret rapture.
As we say every Sunday at Mass --He will come again in
GLORY to judge the living and the dead.
When Christ comes again everyone will know it–no secret event here!
 
GerardPaul… must admit I haven’t thought of it in the way your mentioned. I have only watched his program 21/2 times, and then because my sister suggested it but you have made an interesting point.

All of you have made interesting points and/or comments. For a few moments there I was beginning to think that you guys didn’t believe in the “Rapture”. Maybe you don’t… guess that’s OK too. Personally I do, Lord knows we do need Him to come and square this place away - way to much wickedness going on.
The reason Catholics don’t believe in the 'Rapture" is because it was dreamed up by a man named John Nelson Darby in the 1800’s. Darby came up with this idea by taking different pieces of the Bible together to come up with this. For 1800 years prior to Darby (including all the Church Fathers) there is never a mention of a rapture. It is a nineteenth century invention (along with Mormonism and Jehoveh’s Witnesses). If there was a rapture then that would be a second coming, and his second coming (at the day of judgement) would be his third coming and that is not biblical.
 
I don’t know if this topic has come up before but my sister likes this man and his message. I watched him last night and it does appear that he has memorized the bible and references it often in his talks. Most of his message appears to center around the second coming of Christ as told in Revelations. He makes many comparisons to recent events and believes this generation will in fact see Jesus return.

I was just wondering what, if anything, you folks think of him.
It goes to show you that someone can memorize the Bible and still not know what it says. Jack Van Impe needs to review Matthew 24: 35-36; “Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will not pass away. But of that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, nor the Son of Man.” and I guess Jack Van Impe. It seems to me to be a little vain to think that we can figure out the day and time of the ‘end times’ when Jesus said that even He didn’t know.
 
Hi

I watched Van Impe for quite awhile when I was a Protestant. Sometimes it was confusing, sometimes (I thought) enlightening. Now I just wonder how someone who has so much Scripture memorized, and claims to have read the CCC, can still not “Get It”.

Rapture theology, most of the time, says that the Church will be ‘evacuated’ before or during the “Great Tribulation”. There is another camp that says it will be afterwards, so far as I know they are a minority.

However -
Dan 7:21 I beheld, and lo, **that horn made war against the saints, and prevailed over them, **
Dan 7:22 **Till the ancient of days came and gave judgment to the saints of the most High, and the time came, and the saints obtained the kingdom. **
Dan 7:23 And thus he said: The fourth beast shall be the fourth kingdom upon earth, which shall be greater than all the kingdoms, and shall devour the whole earth, and shall tread it down, and break it in pieces.
Dan 7:24 And the ten horns of the same kingdom, shall be ten kings: and another shall rise up after them, and he shall be mightier than the former, and he shall bring down three kings.
Dan 7:25 And he shall speak words against the High One, and shall crush the saints of the most High: and he shall think himself able to change times and laws, and they shall be delivered into his hand until a time, and times, and half a time.
Not to mention -
Rev 13:7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints and to overcome them. And power was given him over every tribe and people and tongue and nation
Rev 6:9 And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God and for the testimony which they held.
Rev 6:10 And they cried with a loud voice, saying: How long, O Lord (Holy and True), dost thou not judge and revenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth?
Rev 6:11 And white robes were given to every one of them one; And it was said to them that they should rest for a little time till their fellow servants and their brethren, who are to be slain even as they, should be filled up.
There are others (I’m sure van Impe would know them) somewhere in Ezekiel I think, but I can’t find them at the moment - but that should suffice to say - we are not excused from it…JUST the effects of it -
Rev 7:3 Saying: Hurt not the earth nor the sea nor the trees, till we sign the servants of our God in their foreheads.
Rev 9:4 And it was commanded them that they should not hurt the grass of the earth nor any green thing nor any tree: but only the men who have not the sign of God on their foreheads.
We are here as a WITNESS, otherwise wouldn’t God take us out of here the moment we accept Him - to preserve us? We are here to witness, even to the end, to those who do not accept or do not believe. Jesus never said “I send you out with swords and clubs” - He said “I send you out as sheep to slaughter”.

Rapture theology is wishful thinking, and patently FALSE.

Peace

John
 
I don’t know if this topic has come up before but my sister likes this man and his message. I watched him last night and it does appear that he has memorized the bible and references it often in his talks. Most of his message appears to center around the second coming of Christ as told in Revelations. He makes many comparisons to recent events and believes this generation will in fact see Jesus return.

I was just wondering what, if anything, you folks think of him.
Aside from his mistaken rapture theology I think that Jack Van Impe is a very nice man.He has gone out of his way on his program to say some very nice things about Catholics and the Catholic Church which I’m positive has cost him some viewers.I also like his wife Roxella(?)who strikes me as a little breathless yet quite sincere.She has the most incredibly beautiful blue eyes(hope they’re not contacts)🙂
 
Van Impe is a nice man. But a false teacher. As a Baptist Pastor I warned my congregation not to listen to him as he is a false prophet. He has had to change his rapture thesis as the timeline continues and it does not play out as he predicts.

Most of the “rapturists” have stopped naming dates as they have all been wrong. Even Billy Graham in 1984 wrote “The Four Horsemen” about the endtimes. For some or many evangelicals the creation of the nationstate of Israel in 1948 was a watershed of prophecy. They saw it as a fullfilment of Daniel, Ezekiel, Jesus’s Olivet Discourse, The Revelation of Jesus Christ, etc etc etc. The first dates established were in 1968. 20 years after, then thought by the rapturist to be a generation. When that passed, moved to 30, then 40 (wilderness years) now I have seen where it is 70 (exiled time) or 80 years (life span). So, since they have been wrong so often, the dates now go out until 2028. And every hiccup in the mideast is the signal the rapture is soon to happen. In 1990 they were abuzz as Iraqi’s invasion of Kuwait signaled the end and the rise of the Anti-Christ. Sadly, the election of Obama as President has some comparing him to the Anti-christ as some wag called him the president of the world. Rapturist also have an incorrect understanding of Anti-Christ as taught by the Apostle John in his First Epistle. They tie it to The Revelation of Jesus Christ.

Though Darby “preached” and “taught” rapture theology, he did not create it. He picked it up in 1830 during a trip to Western Scotland to investigate a revival that had gained church attention.
Some historians trace the creation of rapture theology to two people. First a defrocked Presbyterian pastor named Edward Irving who began teaching that the gifts of the spirit would indicate the the time of the rapture. He tied the gifts, especially speaking in tongues, to the signs of the time. His teachings got him in trouble with the Presbyterian church and they defrocked him in 1832. He then formed the Catholic Apostolic Church or Apostolic Catholic Church, I have heard it called both.🤷

The second person is Miss Margart Macdonald who had heard his teachings and was in a movement that would later become identified as pentecostalism. While dangerously sick and thought to be near death, she experienced a series of “visions” and had a series of manifestations of the spirit “tongues and trances” that lasted from Feb to at least April 1830. Though some say to the summer of 1830. In these manifestations, she claims she was taught by (here the accounts differ from Christ to angels to the Holy Spirit)about a 2 stage second coming. The first part secret, the second in the open. So for 1830 years the church, scriptures and Holy Spirit taught error. And for approx 330 years the reformers taught the same errors. Hey, the church and the reformers agree on something…I wonder if the devil is wearing longjohns now.😃

These teachings caught on and a revival swept through western Scotland. (Incidently the first announced date of the rapture was to be in 1842, my elementary history book taught about it and how people sold everything and went to the mountains or roof tops to be closer to Christ when He came.) Darby heard of this revival, went to Scotland to see for himself. He discounted the pentecostalism he saw, but embraced the teachings. He then began to teach and became rapture theology’s biggest proponent.

Interestingly at the same time Miss Macdonald was having her visions in Scotland, Joseph Smith, John Wilson and Ellen White were recieving thier visions starting the teachings of Mormonism, British realism and Seventh Day Adventism respectfully. I wonder it there is a pattern.:hmmm:
 
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