"...Jacob is the type of our Lord and of souls who are saved..."

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Dear Brothers and Sisters,

St. Louis de Montfort continues the story of Jacob and Esau:
  1. Before explaining this beautiful story, let me remind you that, according to the early Fathers and the interpreters of Holy Scripture, Jacob is the type of our Lord and of souls who are saved, and Esau is the type of souls who are condemned. We have only to examine the actions and conduct of both in order to judge each one.
(1) Esau, the elder brother, was strong and robust, clever, and skillful with the bow and very successful at hunting.

(2) He seldom stayed at home and, relying only on his own strength and skill, worked out of doors.

(3) He never went out of his way to please his mother Rebecca, and did little or nothing for her. (4) He was such a glutton and so fond of eating that he sold his birthright for a dish of lentils.

(5) Like Cain, he was extremely jealous of his brother and persecuted him relentlessly.
  1. This is the usual conduct of sinners:
(1) They rely upon their own strength and skill in temporal affairs. They are very energetic, clever and well-informed about things of this world but very dull and ignorant about things of heaven.
  1. (2) And they are never or very seldom at home, in their own house, that is, in their own interior, the inner, essential abode that God has given to every man to dwell in, after his own example, for God always abides within himself. Sinners have no liking for solitude or the spiritual life or interior devotion. They consider those who live an interior life, secluded from the world, and who work more interiorly than exteriorly, as narrow-minded, bigoted and uncivilized.
  2. (3) Sinners care little or nothing about devotion to Mary, the Mother of the elect. It is true that they do not really hate her. Indeed they even speak well of her sometimes. They say they love her and they practise some devotion in her honour. Nevertheless, they cannot bear to see anyone love her tenderly, for they do not have for her any of the affection of Jacob; they find fault with the honour which her good children and servants faithfully pay her to win her affection. They think this kind of devotion is not necessary for salvation, and as long as they do not go as far as hating her or openly ridiculing devotion to her they believe they have done all they need to win her good graces. Because they recite or mumble a few prayers to her without any affection and without even thinking of amending their lives, they consider they are our Lady’s servants.
Come Holy Spirit, increase in us Your gift of Understanding.
 
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according to the early Fathers and the interpreters of Holy Scripture, Jacob is the type of our Lord
Ewww…this is problematic.

Scripturally, typology moves from the greater to the lesser,…and St. Louis de Montfort seems to have it reversed.

For example:

Jesus is a “type” of Moses; but Moses can never be a “type” of the Christ.

Jacob, while it can be argued is the “type” of souls who are saved, Jacob is NOT the “type of our Lord”.

Blessings!
 
Dear DIERM,

There may be two different ways of looking at the word “type”. In the Catechism of the Catholic Church, paragraphs 128 and 130 we find this:
CCC 128 - 128 The Church, as early as apostolic times,and then constantly in her Tradition, has illuminated the unity of the divine plan in the two Testaments through typology, which discerns in God’s works of the Old Covenant prefigurations of what he accomplished in the fullness of time in the person of his incarnate Son.

CCC 130 - Typology indicates the dynamic movement toward the fulfilment of the divine plan when “God [will] be everything to everyone.” Nor do the calling of the patriarchs and the exodus from Egypt, for example, lose their own value in God’s plan, from the mere fact that they were intermediate stages.
In the Jerome Biblical Commentary we find this:
In his fervid descourse before the Sanhedrin, Stephen pointed to Moses as the ancient type of Jesus the “redeemer” (Acts 7: 20 -40). St. Paul’s contribution to this sort of typoloogy is his discovery of the Christian sacraments of Baptism and Eucharist…
…So the Apostle in looking to the Christians deliverance from sin, satan and death, which is effected in Baptism, says of the ancient Israelites, that they “were baptized into Moses” in the cloud and in the sea…
More can be said , but hopefully you can appreciate what St. Louis de Montfort wrote.
Blessings to you also!
 
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I have frequently heard of OT figures being called types of our Lord and the Blessed Mother. Jesus Christ and the Blessed Virgin Mary are often called the archetypes they point towards. Same with figures like St. John the Baptist and St. Peter and the papacy.
 
Thanks, Wesrock for your reply. Yes, OT figures are often used as “types” of Our Lord and our Blessed Mother because the OT figures can point us towards them. Hopefully anyone reading St. Louis de Montfort, prayerfully understands the meaning if his words.
 
Dear Dierm,

Did you not read my reply to you above on this thread? Please see Catechism of the Catholic Church paragraphs #128 and 130 above as well as the excerpt from the Jerome Biblical Commentary which gives both St. Stephen and St. Paul as using OT Figures as examples.

I believe in the Jerome Biblica Commentay also mentions Fathers of the Church as does St. Louis de Montfort. Wesrock may have other examples but I thought you might be helped in reading the passages I cited from the Catechism section on Divine Revelation as well as the Catholic Commentaries given in the Jerome Biblical Commentary.
 
Dear Dierm,

I’m happy to know you read my reply, but I wonder if you did not notice this part:

In the Jerome Biblical Commentary we find this:
In his fervid descourse before the Sanhedrin, Stephen pointed to Moses as the ancient type of Jesus the “redeemer” (Acts 7: 20 -40). St. Paul’s contribution to this sort of typoloogy is his discovery of the Christian sacraments of Baptism and Eucharist…
…So the Apostle in looking to the Christians deliverance from sin, satan and death, which is effected in Baptism, says of the ancient Israelites, that they 1 Corinthians 10:2-4 New International Version (NIV)
Acts 7:20 - 40 certainly is scriptural is it not? I can go back to the Jerome Biblical Commentary and get some further Scriptural references, but I am sure that St. Louis de Montfort who is very devoted to the Scripture and quotes much from the Scripture in his books especially his book on " Love of Eternal Wisdom" based on the Book of Wisdom is literally filled with references from the Scripture, pointing us to Christ and St. Louis did not err in his writing.

As to the commentary’s reference to St. Paul’s words : the Scripture is 1 Cor. 10:2-4 :
They were all baptized into Moses in the cloud and in the sea. They all ate the same spiritual food and drank the same spiritual drink; for they drank from the spiritual rock that accompanied them, and that rock was Christ. (1Cor 10:2-4)
How about Romans 5:14 - in which st. Paul wrote the following:
But death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over those whod did not sin after the pattern of the trespass of Adam, who is the type of the one who was to come
I checked your profile to see if you were Catholic but I see that you wrote merely the word “Yes” in response to the word “Religion”. Are you a “Sola Scriptura person”? Can you give me a counter example from what you wrote as:
“Scripturally, typology moves from the greater to the lesser…”
 
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Thanks Genesis 315, for your appreciation of the reply to DIERM. I hope she can see that St. Louis is not in error here, but really is consistent with Scripture.
 
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