Actually, Erik, there are tons of quotes and references to the Deuterocanonical books in the rest of scripture. scripturecatholic.com/deuterocanon.html
The Greek Septuagint, which contained the deuterocanonical books were read by Greek speaking Jews throughout the dispersion, before and during the time of Christ, as Greek was their first language. And would be the language of the Church, that’s why the NT was written in Greek. The Septuagint was translated into Greek about two hundred to three hundred years before Christ. There was no fixed canon in Christ’s time. The Pharasees had more books than the Sadducees who only accepted the five books of Moses, those in the dispersion used the Septuagint.
JL: Catholic Encyclepdia says Philo use the Septuagint, newadvent.org/cathen/12023a.htm move down to DOCTRINE. Well if he quoted from NEARLY every OT canonical book, that means he did not quote all of those in your OT canon. How many times do people who debate scripture today, quote even all the NT books not to mention the OT. The reason would be they find what they need form certain books.
JL: Are all the NT writters confirmed by miracles?
Well, they are all saints, so I would say they have to be… A better question would be are all the Old Testament authors confirmed by miracles? It would be very hard to demonstrate that they were, since most of them are lost to antiquity, unknown except to God. And by the way, it is tradition that Moses wrote the Pentanuech. There is no scriptural support of this, that I know of…
As Paul wrote in 2 Corinthians 5:16-17 (King James Version) “Wherefore henceforth know we no man after the flesh: yea, though we have known Christ after the flesh, yet now henceforth know we him no more. (17) Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.”
The Bible refers to saints when talking of those who believe in Christ…see this link for more details…it has nothing to do with works but with faith.
JL: If I am understanding you correctly you are saying anyone who wrote a book of the NT personally performed miracles as evidence of inspiration. Could you give a scriptural example of Matthew personally performing a miracle, or am I totally misunderstanding.
You can ask your mailman/pastor for scriptural advice if you want, it doesn’t mean he has any particular insight. That’s the point. Why do you believe him? I think its because he agrees with you. If he didn’t, you would dismiss him. You said in an earlier post that if you didn’t like what a pastor was saying (i.e., you didn’t agree with his interpretation of the bible), you would walk away because you have better things to do with your Sunday mornings.
JL: Wow! What a streach on 2Cor5:16-17, next time ask you paper boy. Tell me do you henceforth we know NO MAN AFTER THE FLESH, or is it just Jesus? Whom Paul calls man in, 1Tm2:5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, THE MAN CHRIST JESUS; **
You can ask your mailman/pastor for scriptural advice if you want, it doesn’t mean he has any particular insight. That’s the point. Why do you believe him? I think its because he agrees with you. If he didn’t, you would dismiss him. You said in an earlier post that if you didn’t like what a pastor was saying (i.e., you didn’t agree with his interpretation of the bible), you would walk away because you have better things to do with your Sunday mornings.
The only reason that my mailmanwas given my ear is that he said “check out what Paul had to say about it in the bible”…he didn’t say…“read my notes” or “this is what I have to say about it”…he referred back to the inerrent and God inspired books.
Don’t you think it could have been God sending the mailman to teach me something I didn’t already learn about in His Word? Why is that so weird to you? I actually feel blessed by it and he said that I blessed his day by telling him of my story and bible studies. That is what fellowship is all about.
**I’m sorry but you misquoted me…here is what I said:
“If my preacher confirms what Jesus says and refers to the same scriptures as Jesus did, that is enough credentials for me. As soon as what I hear or see from the pews is different, I’m outta there – better things to do with my Sunday morning!”
Believe me, there is PLENTY I don’t like to hear in church…for I am not sinless…but I must humble myself to listen for it is the Word of God.
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Frankly, you are going to great lengths to prove that Mary had children in addition to Jesus. This quote from Corinthians isn’t particularly compelling. Like a lot of Protestant answers, it is a giant twist to try to justify something that isn’t true. James and Joseph and Jude and Simon are the sons of Alpheus.and the other Mary, per Mark 15: 40 and Matthew 27: 55, they are cousins of Jesus.
I’m really not going to great lengths, and if you wish for me to drop the issue, I will. No problem. I thought you wanted to hear the other (non Catholic) viewpoints. See, I find the opposite true regarding Catholic doctrine…they have to go to great lengths, even referring to non canonical books and making up some of their own, to justify their teachings.
Did you even read the Catholic Encyclopedia article I gave you on the subject?
No, I hadn’t had a change and quite frankly don’t respect it as much as anything you would quote me from scripture.
Are you interest in the truth or just what you would like the truth to be.
The truth as it is written in scripture. That is what moved me to the Protestant Church. I no longer wanted man made stuff.
This link explains the miracles requirement, if you want to read about it.
Dear Imjustme,
Thanks for the link, Paul C.
Did you know that John 3:16 says that 'whoever believes in Me shall have eternal **life", **i’mjustme? That means those who are in heaven are ALIVE. Not dead.
If you are referring to the process of canonization, in which the Church requires miracles, I think I read that not every single saint has been officially “canonized”, and that would include the NT writers, I believe.
I was going to post a answer but I must run my trash man is here and I have a question for him about the Bible, be right back see you later
Thanks for the link, imjustme.
