James White calls Called to Communion to the carpet on the Assumption of Mary

[Arizona_Samson]

Arizona Samson;9377765:

Goodness. Are you naturally this condescending to people you don’t know, or do you practice?

And you don’t consider the strawman attack on Dr. White’s postion that I replied to condescending?

Therefore you have no excuse, O man, every one of you who judges. For in passing judgment on another you condemn yourself, because you, the judge, practice the very same things. Roman 2:1

 

[Melchior_1]

You know what? I’m not a part of Call to Communion but I’ll take up the challenge if Mr. White is so inclined. If you can, send him a message saying that there’s someone in Ottawa that would like to have a discussion with him.

 

[Jaypeeto4]

James White’s own sister, who converted to the Catholic faith, has
publicly denounced his behavior.
Why should we humour this pompous man by replying to his “challenges”???

I used to discuss things with him back and forth by email, years ago,
and discovered that, as far as I could tell, this man had no respect for historically-verifiable
truth (even denied that Augustine was a Catholic!! Good lord !!), and became so abusive to me in his emails that I finally said, to heck with this guy, he isn’t even, I sincerely believe, my brother in the LORD but rather a Career Controversialist with no interest in ultimate truth when you boil it down to brass tacks,— I came to that very firm and very sincere conclusion, and so I
BLOCKED his email address, and have never spoken a word with him since.
Good riddance to him and ALL the likes of him, too.
I’ll gladly discuss things with kind and goodhearted evangelicals, even if we have
to “agree to disagree”, but this man does not behave like that. I found him, in my experience, to be smartalecky, evasive, cruel and meanspirited, so I blocked him from ever contacting me again, and have never regretted for one split second having done so.

Jesus said to do as much when he urged us not to “cast our pearls before you-know-whats.”

 

[Arizona_Samson]

Precisely why I stop listening to Mr.White. He is RUDE and I once saw Him debating two Jewish men…same attitude: RUDE! The guy needs an attitude adjustment.

I agree that Dr. White can occasionally come off as abrasive, Nicea. Don’t we all?

But the pressing issue should be about truth, not Dr. White’s demeanor. Don’t you agree?

 

[Nicea325]

I agree that Dr. White can occasionally come off as abrasive, Nicea. Don’t we all?

But the pressing issue should be about truth, not Dr. White’s demeanor. Don’t you agree?

Oh I agree my brother in Christ, I agree 100%.However, he makes his attitude appear first and discussing the Truth as second.

 

[Jaypeeto4]

**Great. While we’re at it let’s examine the modern day Catholic doctrine of transubstantiation in light of both what the Bible teaches and what the early church taught for the first 900+ years following the Last Supper. **

Good.
Name us ONE recognized Christian the first 900 years of Christianity who
taught a SYMBOLIC-only Eucharist. There were NONE.
In every age, had you dared advance any such thing, you would have been excommunicated by the ENTIRE church of BOTH the Orthodox Catholic East
and the “Roman” Catholic West.

And if you advocated it today, the entire Eastern Orthodox Church would rise up against you and declare you Anathema without fail. They are ORTHODOX, after all.

I am from a nonCatholic, in fact fiercely ANTI-Catholic, background myself,
and I learned the Catholic Doctrine of the REAL PRESENCE of Jesus in and as the Eucharist, from my best friend who, today and to this day, was and remains,
GREEK Orthodox and NOT a Roman Catholic. He, and all the Orthodox,
are HORRIFIED by the Protestant belief of a symbolic only Eucharist.

 

[Arizona_Samson]

James White’s own sister, who converted to the Catholic faith, has publicly denounced his behavior.

Then Dr. White is in great company as Jesus’ own family publicly did the same.

**And when His family heard it, they went out to seize him, for they were saying, “He is out of his mind.” Mark 3:21

Why should we humour this pompous man by replying to his “challenges”???

Because Peter commands you to?

But in your hearts honor Christ the Lord as holy, always being prepared to make a defense to anyone who asks you for a reason for the hope that is in you; yet do it with gentleness and respect 1 Peter 3:15

 

[Skeptic92]

Great. While we’re at it let’s examine the modern day Catholic doctrine of transubstantiation in light of both what the Bible teaches and what the early church taught for the first *900+ years *following the Last Supper.

Gladly, Justin Martyr First Apology Apology 150AD
Justin Martyr:

And this food is called among us Eukaristia [the Eucharist], of which no one is allowed to partake but the man who believes that the things which we teach are true, and who has been washed with the washing that is for the remission of sins, and unto regeneration, and who is so living as Christ has enjoined**. For not as common bread and common drink do we receive these; but in like manner as Jesus Christ our Saviour, having been made flesh by the Word of God, had both flesh and blood for our salvation, so likewise have we been taught that the food which is blessed by the prayer of His word, and from which our blood and flesh by transmutation are nourished, is the flesh and blood of that Jesus who was made flesh. For the apostles, in the memoirs composed by them, which are called Gospels, have thus delivered unto us what was enjoined upon them; that Jesus took bread, and when He had given thanks, said, “This do ye in remembrance of Me, this is My body;” and that, after the same manner, having taken the cup and given thanks, He said, “This is My blood;” and gave it to them alone.** Which the wicked devils have imitated in the mysteries of Mithras, commanding the same thing to be done. For, that bread and a cup of water are placed with certain incantations in the mystic rites of one who is being initiated, you either know or can learn.

There are more, but St Justin Martyr is very early and is quoted as an authority on orthodox Christian teachings in the second century and he is clearly displaying a belief in transubstantiation (even if it is not called that yet).

 

[Melchior_1]

Hey, I responded to his challenge. When I can I expect him to my city, I wonder?

 

[George_Stegmeir]

I agree that Dr. White can occasionally come off as abrasive, Nicea. Don’t we all?

But the pressing issue should be about truth, not Dr. White’s demeanor. Don’t you agree?

You are the second “Catholic challenger” to appear on this forum in the past week. What happened? Did you just graduate from some Evangelical Bible College or other religious diploma mill?
In any case, you are doomed to lose any rational debate on this site. The tragedy for your immortal soul is, that nothing anyone says on this site will convince you of your very basic biblical and historic errors. All we can do, as an act of Christian charity, is pray for you.

 

[Porknpie]

James White advocates against “solo” scriptura so you obviously have him confused with someone else. Moreover I’ve listened to every one of Dr. White’s debates with Patrick Madrid and came away from every one feeling sorry for Mr. Madrid.

But I do have the upmost respect for Mr. Madrid for debating him since most Catholic apologists refuse to do so.

I’ll dial down any perception of being rude. HOWEVER, has Mr. White changed his mind on Solo Scriptura?? Here is HIS words from his debate with Mr. Madrid Sept 28th, 1993.

**What then is sola scriptura?

The doctrine of sola scriptura, simply stated, is that the Scriptures and the Scriptures alone are sufficient to function as the regula fide, the “rule of faith” for the Church. All that one must believe to be a Christian is found in Scripture and in no other source. That which is not found in Scripture is not binding upon the Christian conscience. To be more specific, I provide the following definition:

The Bible claims to be the sole and sufficient rule of faith for the Christian Church. The Scriptures are not in need of any supplement. Their authority comes from their nature as God-breathed revelation. Their authority is not dependent upon man, Church or council. The Scriptures are self-consistent, self-interpreting, and self-authenticating. The Christian Church looks at the Scriptures as the only and sufficient rule of faith and the Church is always subject to the Word, and is constantly reformed thereby.

Now, given this, I would like to explain how I plan on winning my debate this evening with Mr. Madrid. Sola scriptura is both a positive and a negative statement.

Positively, the doctrine teaches that the Bible is sufficient to function as the sole, infallible rule of faith for the Church. Negatively, it denies the existence of any other rule of faith as being necessary for the man of God. Hence, logically, I must do the following things:

First, I must demonstrate that the Bible teaches that it is A rule of faith for the Church.

Secondly, I must demonstrate that the Bible is sufficient to function as the sole rule of faith for the Church, that is, I must demonstrate its sufficiency, or in the language used in the New Testament itself, that the Bible is artios.

And, thirdly, I must demonstrate that the Bible as a sufficient rule of faith does not refer us to any other rule of faith.

Absent the demonstration on Mr. Madrid’s part of some other rule of faith, the preceding is sufficient to establish the fact that the Bible teaches the doctrine of sola scriptura.**

 

[ByzCathCantor]

Did you just graduate from some Evangelical Bible College or other religious diploma mill?

I’ve noticed that too!

BTW - for $75.00, you can graduate all three “schools” of one rather familiar anti-Catholic establishment (a savings of $24 !!! over the price of all three individually).

All we can do, as an act of Christian charity, is pray for you.

Whether you believe what the Catholic Church teaches or not, I would venture guess that this type of engagement between Christians is not what Christ had in mind generally, nor when he prayed that we “all be as one” (and yes, that is from Holy Scripture).

Indeed, we pray for their souls, and hope they eventually stumble upon the Truth that they already feel they have found.

 

[Kristen1999]

In fact 'Dr" James White himself has his ‘doctorate’ from a diploma mill.

 

[Nicea325]

Then Dr. White is in great company as Jesus’ own family publicly did the same.

***And when His family ***heard it, they went out to seize him, for they were saying, “He is out of his mind.” Mark 3:21

Because Peter commands you to?

But in your hearts honor Christ the Lord as holy, always being prepared to make a defense to anyone who asks you for a reason for the hope that is in you; yet do it with gentleness and respect 1 Peter 3:15

Are you comparing Mr.White to Jesus? Seriously? Sorry,bad comparison because those words applied to Jesus were not in reference to his attitude,big difference.

 

[Nicea325]

In fact 'Dr" James White himself has his ‘doctorate’ from a diploma mill.

And to bad doctorates do not adjust attitudes like his.

 

[Nicea325]

**Great. While we’re at it let’s examine the modern day Catholic doctrine of transubstantiation in light of both what the Bible teaches and what the early church taught for the first 900+ years following the Last Supper. **

Good.
Name us ONE recognized Christian the first 900 years of Christianity who
taught a SYMBOLIC-only Eucharist. There were NONE.
In every age, had you dared advance any such thing, you would have been excommunicated by the ENTIRE church of BOTH the Orthodox Catholic East
and the “Roman” Catholic West.

And if you advocated it today, the entire Eastern Orthodox Church would rise up against you and declare you Anathema without fail. They are ORTHODOX, after all.

I am from a nonCatholic, in fact fiercely ANTI-Catholic, background myself,
and I learned the Catholic Doctrine of the REAL PRESENCE of Jesus in and as the Eucharist, from my best friend who, today and to this day, was and remains,
GREEK Orthodox and NOT a Roman Catholic. He, and all the Orthodox,
are HORRIFIED by the Protestant belief of a symbolic only Eucharist.

I cannot remember where at statement by someone where it read: The very foundations of Protestanism is self-centered,not Christ-centered. Luther,Calvin,etc were more concerned with their own doctrines and wills than that of the church.

 

[Lochias]

Lochias;9377773:

And you don’t consider the strawman attack on Dr. White’s postion that I replied to condescending?

Therefore you have no excuse, O man, every one of you who judges. For in passing judgment on another you condemn yourself, because you, the judge, practice the very same things

. Roman 2:1

Ah, here we go. Yet another would-be arbiter of justice and truth, flinging the righteous barbs of cherry-picked Bible verses at us poor, misguided Catholics so that we might depart from the error of our ways and repent, glory n’ Hallelujah.

There’s a verse out there about splinters and planks. Would you mind removing that Sequoia redwood from your eye, please?

 

[Lochias]

Then Dr. White is in great company as Jesus’ own family publicly did the same.

***And when His family ***heard it, they went out to seize him, for they were saying, “He is out of his mind.” Mark 3:21

Yeah, well, “Dr.” White is out of his mind, so it’s not a very apt comparison.

Because Peter commands you to?

But in your hearts honor Christ the Lord as holy, always being prepared to make a defense to anyone who asks you for a reason for the hope that is in you; yet do it with gentleness and respect 1 Peter 3:15

Oh, bullplop. “Dr.” White isn’t asking us about our faith because he sees our hope and desires it…he’s asking us about our faith because he wants to tear it down in order to make himself feel more secure in his delusions.

Learn your Scripture, son…you’re looking awfully shaky and poor with it right now.

 

[Nicea325]

Yeah, well, “Dr.” White is out of his mind, so it’s not a very apt comparison.

Oh, bullplop. “Dr.” White isn’t asking us about our faith because he sees our hope and desires it…he’s asking us about our faith because he wants to tear it down in order to make himself feel more secure in his delusions.

Learn your Scripture, son…you’re looking awfully shaky and poor with it right now.

I find it at times rather laughable (not in a mean way) how so many non-Catholics truly believe they some how “discovered” the Bible?

 

[Eric_Hilbert]

fix your quote feature folks.