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1ke
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Easter is on Sunday.
Easter is not listed as a Holy Day in Canon 1246 since it is always on Sunday and all Sunday are holy days per Canon 1247.
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Easter is not listed as a Holy Day in Canon 1246 since it is always on Sunday and all Sunday are holy days per Canon 1247.
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holyghost
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So my problem is that I live in San Jose, where the obligation has been taken away, however I belong to a parish in SF, where the obligation remains. So, in order for me to fulfill the obligation I’d have to go to my parish, but the closer options I have are dispensed for the obligation, thus hardly any masses to attend. Kind of confused as to what to do; I called a parish priest in San Jose and was told that it is not a day of obligation, so I am inclined not to go. But the fact it is still an obligation in SF has me conflicted! Any insight?
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GwenL
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It was pretty confusing. My diocese is in the province of San Francisco, but our bishop dispensed us of the obligation to attend Mass today. Usually, the bishops in a province follow the lead of the archbishop metropolitan about things such as this.
Still, we had three Masses for the solemnity: a vigil Mass in the EF last night, and two OF Masses this morning. Many parishes in town were closed, or had one Mass.
Should you go to Mass today? Doh…what better way to start the New Year than by saying “thank you” to Maria Theotokos?
Still, we had three Masses for the solemnity: a vigil Mass in the EF last night, and two OF Masses this morning. Many parishes in town were closed, or had one Mass.
Should you go to Mass today? Doh…what better way to start the New Year than by saying “thank you” to Maria Theotokos?
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babochka
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It’s a little late now, but I wouldn’t worry about it as a day of obligation. Are the parishes in the diocese of San Jose not having Mass at all today? I would think that they would still celebrate the feast in their regular daily Masses.
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holyghost
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I’m sure there are some that are, but the ones that I am used to going to are not. They had their early morning masses and no evening masses at the parishes I tend to go to are scheduled today.
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holyghost
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I actually just found one at 730pm tonight. I’m going to go after all…something is telling me to go 
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MissRose73
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I went to a vigil for the Holy Day on Monday evening as I could not go in the morning due to work obligation, and the diocese I am in had it listed as a Holy Day of obligation. Seems strange that some places do not consider it a holy day this year compared to others.
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onthisrock
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Well, according to the vatican, it’s a holy day of obligation. the first known Marian feast…Mary, Mother of God. Now, I was converted in Philadelphia where it was a holy day. the vatican says unless it falls on a saturday or monday, you are not obliged as you go to mass already on Sunday, so you could consider it a vigil mass on a saturday or sunday may trump a monday holy day. For some reason…Even [edited] San Fransisco has it as a holy day…Bishops in LA, San Diego and Orange counties have decided [edited]…can’t even go if you wanted since the bishops have decided in at least these counties…it’s somehow NOT a holy day…another reason for me and my husband to get out of town…so sad…to not follow the vatican because your particular [edited] bishop has decided against it. No churches around me have the option to go. I have to just pray and keep the day as holy as I can
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babochka
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Don’t churches around there have regularly scheduled daily Mass?
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onthisrock
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I said that a little confusing…the vatican says it’s a holy day of obligation UNLESS it falls on a saturday or Monday…so as it is tuesday, it IS a holy day, but NOT according to the dioceses I’ve mentioned
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onthisrock
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The previous bishop of SF was liberal…had gays dressed on parade there, and everything. the new bishop was an assitant bishop in San diego and VERY conservative. So I would not be surprised that SF is the only area in CA that has today as a Holy Day. Bishops are only allowed to have it not celebrated if on a saturday or monday…because sunday would take care of both of those days. Being from Philadelphia, I was in shock that it was not a holy day in San Diego when I moved there. supposedly orange county is conservative but they don’t kneel at all except at the consecration…not after the Agnus Dei and in LA, not even after receiving communion. I still do at both times any way.
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maltmom
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Wonderful!! Pray for us!I actually just found one at 730pm tonight. I’m going to go after all…something is telling me to go
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Elizium23
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[edited]First, your information is wrong. The Vatican is not the one that says it is a Holy Day of Obligation. It is within the USCCB’s competence to declare it a HDO and they have done so. (The United States Conference of Catholic Bishops is the national episcopal conference, which has very little legislative or liturgical authority.) It is within the bishops’ competence to dispense this as a HDO and they have done so, as well. It seems that it is you who feels you are above the bishops by writing such calumny against them.
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O_Moriah
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That lacked charity. It was thoroughly unChristian. You denounced a whole community as Godless and presumed you knew that those bishops purposely flouting universal authority. You don’t know that.
Besides, as pointed out above, you’re very wrong about how the obligation for Holy Days gets established.
- So, you found conservatives not following the norms? What does that tell you about your views of liberal v. conservative?
- In general you’re supposed to follow the local custom unless there was grave reason not to. If there was a local authority that made a local decision about the order of the ritual for pastoral reasons, whether or not you agree with it, you should conform yourself to it. It’s the local authorities’ decision. You’re doing what you decry is a ‘liberal thing’ in that you’re being willfully disobedient.
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Vico
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If you are in the Latin Church and not in a personal ordinariate or personal parish, then when not traveling, the obligation will be based upon your proper Diocese where you have established a domicile or quasi-domicile.
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rwinner
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God bless the local hierarchy: I know they have a difficult job. But I take this slight to the Holy Mother a little personally. :\
God bless the local hierarchy: I know they have a difficult job. But I take this slight to the Holy Mother a little personally. :\
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Elizium23
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It is a ridiculous distortion to say that dispensing an obligation is a “slight to the Holy Mother”. The obligation is only local in the first place. Have some perspective and charity.
The decision of some of the bishops of California to issue a dispensation from attending Mass on the Solemnity of the Blessed Virgin Mary, the Mother of God has nothing to do with the Mass that gets celebrated on January 1st. Unless the parish does not have any Mass on that day the Holy Day Mass will be the one that is celebrated. I have never heard of a parish that had *less *Masses than usual on a Holy Day. My parish never has anticipated Masses for Holy Days (except for Christmas) and often has only one daily Mass for Holy Days.
No parish is required to offer extra Masses for Holy Days, whether there is an obligation to attend Mass or not. But most parishes will at least offer the usual daily Mass. If it is not at a favorable time then you do what most people do: alter your schedule or go to another parish.
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JackieMom
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I live in California, where yesterday was not a day of obligation. One Mass was still held at my parish for those who wished to attend. It was poorly attended, and probably wouldn’t have been much better had yesterday been a HDO. Getting people to attend Mass on New Years Day seems like a losing proposition in my neck of the woods and a setup to have 99% of the parish automatically in a state of mortal sin for skipping Mass for non-urgent reasons (is going to the Rose parade a good excuse to miss church?)
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Vico
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CIC Can. 87 §1
Whenever he judges that it contributes to their spiritual welfare, the diocesan bishop can dispense the faithful from disciplinary laws, both universal laws and those particular laws made by the supreme ecclesiastical authority, for his territory or his subjects.
Whenever he judges that it contributes to their spiritual welfare, the diocesan bishop can dispense the faithful from disciplinary laws, both universal laws and those particular laws made by the supreme ecclesiastical authority, for his territory or his subjects.
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