Japanese Church Concept

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Hereiam said:
If you are not Japanese, you don’t have a dog in this fight.

Its like asking an American, what are your thoughts of eating cold soba noodles, or raw fish, or yakitori baby sparrows…whether the American likes it or not is neither here nor there.

What would be the Japanese reaction to the American use of pews matter?
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Except that we’re a universal Church…so looking at how Mass is set up in different cultures can be valuable.

ESPECIALLY since pews were more or less a protestant invention…it is really important to reflect on a culture that wasn’t impacted by that schism.
 
My point.

The efficacy of the Church is detracted by those who want to make much about personal preferences over the spirit and intent of cultural differences.
 
Hereiam said:
My point.

The efficacy of the Church is detracted by those who want to make much about personal preferences over the spirit and intent of cultural differences.
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Not really.

We need to constantly examine non-rubric practices to see if they hold validity. That’s what Vatican II was all about. The efficacy of the church requires us to look at what we do. Are we truly getting the message or are we getting stuck in worshiping our cultural traditions?

Can the wild, loud Middle American culture that wants bright colors and fast-tempo music cope with the reserved and withdrawn European one?

The only successful missionaries are the ones who stripped away everything their culture had and allowed the new one to completely take over.
 
Xanthippe_Voorhees said:
The only successful missionaries are the ones who stripped away everything their culture had and allowed the new one to completely take over.
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Totally untrue and without merit. You only need to see liturgical observance, including the Mass, in Africa and Asia to see the fallacy on this claim.

Universality has always been and always will be a matter of function over form.
 
Almost 25 posts before a perfectly innocent thread was sabotaged.
 
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Hereiam said:
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Xanthippe_Voorhees:
The only successful missionaries are the ones who stripped away everything their culture had and allowed the new one to completely take over.
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Totally untrue and without merit. You only need to see liturgical observance, including the Mass, in Africa and Asia to see the fallacy on this claim.

Universality has always been and always will be a matter of function over form.
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What? No.

Missionaries who are successful looked FAR beyond the non-rubierc issues and ensured that their cultural bias and customs did NOT interfere with worship.

Pews are cultural creation out of Europe. The missionary priests in Africa did not need to construct pews for a valid Mass.

The Mass has universal parts, and it has non-universal parts. Artwork, seating arrangments, garment adornment and the sound and tempo of music have always pertained to the culture at hand, and not solely to Euro-centric views.

The French missionaries were responsible for saving much of Northeastern Native American culture because they were invested in understanding it. One of the reasons that St. Kateri still is so valued by the people of the 5 Nations Tribes is because the Missionaries were incredibly respectful of their ways of life and did not impose on them a single European thing that was not strictly dictated by the Church.

So, for instance, fine cotton linen alb with gold thread could be replaced with an elegant deerskin with wampum and feathers. No issue whatsoever. That culture valued it more. But unleven bread (a matter of rubrics) would not be.
 
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For me, the process of moving to a standing position after sitting or kneeling on the floor is slow and painful. I would have to bring a folding chair or cane.
 
EricF said:
I am sort of familiar with Christ in the Desert. I have a vacation place I built south and east of Taos. Also a fan of Monk’s Ale.
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Taos. One of the most interesting little place I’ve ever been. Those earthships were something else.
 
The Alley Cantina, the oldest structure in town, isn’t a bad place to hang out either.
 
I’m not sure they would. While culturally Japan cares very much for elders and the disabled (far more than in the US and Europe) they do tend to have less accomodations for those who aren’t bringing their own devices (walkers, canes, chairs)
 
Xanthippe_Voorhees said:
Except that we’re a universal Church…so looking at how Mass is set up in different cultures can be valuable.

ESPECIALLY since pews were more or less a protestant invention…it is really important to reflect on a culture that wasn’t impacted by that schism.
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Quite true – for centuries the people stood for all of the non-kneeling parts of the Mass.

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Hereiam said:
If you are not Japanese, you don’t have a dog in this fight.
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What “fight”?

We’re just appreciating the beautiful diversity of how Catholics in different parts of the world worship.

Do we really need to get triggered like dainty snowflakes?
 
I love your trite worn out phrases like snow flake…got any more?

Keep up with the thread, I was replying to someone who said missionaries who succeeded only did so because they eliminated individual cultural aspects before they were introduced.
 
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I would be honored to worship there. After all, Catholic Churches didn’t have pews until the Catholic Reformation, and Eastern Orthodox Churches typically don’t have pews still to this day.

God Bless
 
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Sorry if I caused offense.
 
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