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sarahq
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I asked this question in my RCIA and the deacon said no, it wasn’t-- but I was just wondering-- what do you all think? Is jaywalking a sin?
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IrishRush
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Why would it be? Do you think it offends God to not use the crosswalk?
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philial
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depends whether you are putting yourself / others at risk…
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LemonAndLime
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It is a sin if you are knowingly breaking the laws of the country you are living in. I think that’s how it works.
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Catholic90
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If you are endangering your life or the lives of others (drivers), then don’t do it.
If there is absolutely no traffic and you can see far in all directions…run quickly!
Apparently in Chicago, jaywalking is a very serious offense. I was tempted several times, but Son warned me I would get a ticket…
If there is absolutely no traffic and you can see far in all directions…run quickly!
Apparently in Chicago, jaywalking is a very serious offense. I was tempted several times, but Son warned me I would get a ticket…
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centurionguard
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Perhaps if one sets out deliberately in spite to go Jaywalking then it could be a sin a pride.
Traffic Laws of Jaywalking are made with safety in mind. So regardless how many may think its a stupid old law it is made for safety.
People get killed and injured in Crosswalks all the time which depending on the situation can be both at fault of the driver and/or the pedestrian.
Just because a pedestrian has the right-of-way in a crosswalk doesn’t mean they should haphazardly take them for granted. Cautionary common-dog-sense works both in favor of the driven and the pedestrian.
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Rascalking
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It’s not immoral as long as you don’t put yourself or others in danger. At the very least, it’s venial.
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Corpus_Cristi
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Question. Where are you from? This is not meant in jest.
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dean24us
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No, I don’t believe something like that would be a sin. Some will point to the CCC sections regarding following the laws instituted by legitimately elected civil leaders, but I think people read in to this too much and approaching it from an overly legalistic manner. I truly don’t believe that the intent of the CCC is to refer to minor/trivial offenses (like jaywalking), but rather the “big stuff” the isn’t directly called a sin in the Bible but that threatens the stability of civil society (e.g., tax evasion, insider trading, draft dodging, etc).
]Just to illustrate my point (plus inject a bit of levity in to the conversation), here are a list of laws in my state of Virginia. All were put in place by legitimate civil authorities.
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]Just to illustrate my point (plus inject a bit of levity in to the conversation), here are a list of laws in my state of Virginia. All were put in place by legitimate civil authorities.
- Spitting on a sea gull is not tolerated.
- Women must wear a corsette after sundown and be in the company of male chaperone.
- It is illegal to tickle women.
- Citizens must honk their horn while passing other cars.
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Aelred_Minor
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I hear that in New York City it is illegal to expose any part of your leg above the knee, for both men and women (or was it the whole leg?). If a woman walks around topless though it’s perfectly legal. Also I’ve heard that in England it’s legal to shoot a Welshman with a crossbow if he stands within the shadow of the Tower of London. Not sure if these are myths.
On the other hand I know city law prohibited drinking on your doorstep and it made the papers when a particular police officer started enforcing it for the first time in however many years.
I think the thing is to interpret the law according to what can reasonably be presumed to be the intent of the rulers and law enforcers of your country, while being willing to accept the consequences if you err in that judgment and are punished for breaking a law you did not take literally enough.
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dean24us
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Good examples.
The point I was trying to make with my over-the-top examples is that something being illegal by civil authorities doesn’t necessarily make sinful. I find it somewhat frustrating when I hear people (both on CAF and “in real life”) point to CCC 2238-2240 as reason to claim that any violation of civil law (e.g., jaywalking, getting a parking ticket, etc) is a sin. Folks like this mean well but take a far too legalistic view of the CCC and miss it’s true intent: to help us develop a “well-formed conscience” to guide us through daily life.
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Aelred_Minor
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Well, we should indeed take obedience to civil leaders seriously, even if the thing outlawed isn’t intrinsically immoral.Good examples.
The point I was trying to make with my over-the-top examples is that something being illegal by civil authorities doesn’t necessarily make sinful. I find it somewhat frustrating when I hear people (both on CAF and “in real life”) point to CCC 2238-2240 as reason to claim that any violation of civil law (e.g., jaywalking, getting a parking ticket, etc) is a sin. Folks like this mean well but take a far too legalistic view of the CCC and miss it’s true intent: to help us develop a “well-formed conscience” to guide us through daily life.
By the way, for the English law (as claimed by a college friend of mine) I accidentally wrote crossbow when I meant longbow, and from some very quick and dirty internet work apparently it may be within the city of York not the shaddow of the Tower of London. That or in Chester but only after sunset and not on a Sunday. Or in Scotland but only on a Sunday. Maybe there are several of these laws? Or just a popular myth with many variations? Just want to make sure our English members here don’t get mixed up and go to jail for a murder they thought would be legal.
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Catholic90
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Just want to make sure our English members here don’t get mixed up and go to jail for a murder they thought would be legal.
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LemonAndLime
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We often take advantage of such laws.Well, we should indeed take obedience to civil leaders seriously, even if the thing outlawed isn’t intrinsically immoral.
By the way, for the English law (as claimed by a college friend of mine) I accidentally wrote crossbow when I meant longbow, and from some very quick and dirty internet work apparently it may be within the city of York not the shaddow of the Tower of London. That or in Chester but only after sunset and not on a Sunday. Or in Scotland but only on a Sunday. Maybe there are several of these laws? Or just a popular myth with many variations? Just want to make sure our English members here don’t get mixed up and go to jail for a murder they thought would be legal.
And, often fall foul of them. Alas, it is still illegal to eat mince pies in the UK thanks to Oliver Cromwell. I am eating one right now, with the curtains closed. I bought some of a street corner in a dodgy deal. But it’s good stuff.
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centurionguard
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I really enjoy a good traditional mince-meat pie. Even the vegetarian ones made from green tomato aren’t bad. One small slice though otherwise it rings my sweet-button.whatscookingamerica.net/History/PieHistory/MincemeatPie.htm
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Catholic90
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I’ve never had a mince meat pie. In my mind, “meat” and “pie” just do not belong together!
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TimothyH
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I thought the title of the thread was “Javawalking”, that it had something to do with walking while drinking coffee or something. Everyone was talking about endangering the lives of others and women’s underwear and eating pie.
Then I figured it out.
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Then I figured it out.
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centurionguard
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Yeah your correct the subject has side-tracked a bite. Too much caffeine I guess :coffeeread:I thought the title of the thread was “Javawalking”, that it had something to do with walking while drinking coffee or something. Everyone was talking about endangering the lives of others and women’s underwear and eating pie.
Then I figured it out.
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Guess my clouded head missed something…how did woman’s underwear get in here?
On a more serious note I think Jaywalking is an Urban cultural issue which is amplified as an even bigger problem in bigger down-town cities like New York as an example. I would think hospitals could give a good statistical summary of injuries related to Jaywalking.
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LemonAndLime
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Oh you have never lived! Have you honestly never eaten a pie with meat in it?I’ve never had a mince meat pie. In my mind, “meat” and “pie” just do not belong together!
The mince pies I have around Christmas tend to actually be made of raisins, or are at least sweet.
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Catholic90
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Nope! Never.Oh you have never lived! Have you honestly never eaten a pie with meat in it?
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