Jehovah Witnesses and the Bible

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Hello,
I am seventeen and have been discussing Caholicism with some Jehovah Witnesses. I was wondering if anyone had any pointers especially on the Trinity as that seems to be our main conflict as well as their Bible which I beleive is the New World translation. I am having a hard time discussing their translation of the Bible especially because its authors are anonymous. I, however have had two years of Greek and so that has helped a little. I would appreciate any help. Thanks.
 
  1. The Trinity
They do not believe in the Trinity. They believe that Jesus Christ is St. Michael the archangel. They think the Holy Spirit is an “impersonal force” and not actually God Himself.
They believe that Jesus, as St. Michael the archangel, was God’s first created being. However, our Bible says that Jesus was never created – but is “co-eternal” with God the Father.
They believe that the Holy Spirit is an “active force of almighty God which moves His servants to do His will.” Our Bible specifically tells us that the Holy Spirit is Himself God and that He is referred to as “He” in the Bible – which tells us that He is a Person and not some type of “force” that God uses.
  1. Jesus Coming in the Flesh
They do not believe that Jesus Christ was God coming in the “flesh” to our earth to save mankind from their sins. This one right here completely disqualifies them from being a even a branch of Christianity. Here is the verse from our Bible that nails them on just this one issue alone:
“Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits, whether they are of God; because many false prophets have gone out into the world. By this you know the Spirit of God: every spirit that confesses that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is of God, and every spirit that does not confess that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is not of God.” (1 John 4:1-4)
  1. The Bodily Resurrection of Jesus
They do not believe in the bodily resurrection of Jesus. Our Bible tells us that when they went into the tomb to see if Jesus was still there, that His entire body was no longer there.
They believe that Jesus was “annihilated” by God, not risen. They believe that after 3 days from His death, that He was resurrected as a “spirit creature” rather than being resurrected having a “glorified spiritual body.”
  1. Hell
They do not believe in a hell where the unsaved and wicked people will suffer eternal torment. They cannot believe that a loving God could create such a horrible place of eternal punishment. They tell their followers that hell is the “grave” where we are buried in when we die, and that the wicked will simply cease to exist and will not have to suffer any type of eternal punishment and torment.
Our Bible teaches just the opposite. Our Bible says that there will be a Great White Throne Judgment. All the unsaved and wicked people will have to appear before the Lord for this final judgment. This verse says that whoever’s name is not written in the Book of Life will be cast into the Lake of Fire and Brimstone where the smoke of their torment will ascend forever and ever.
  1. The New World Bible
I’ve constantly used the term “our Bible” above, because there is a difference, not only in their other books of teaching (which are given equal and sometimes superior authority to the Bible) but their Bible is different as well.

The most famous difference is John 1:1 which is rendered by all Catholic/Protestant English translations as
“In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.” clearly defining Jesus, the Son, who is revealed to be the Word later in John 1:14, as God

The New World Bible of the Jehovah’s Witnesses, however, renders it this way
“In [the] beginning the Word was, and the Word was with God, and the Word was a god.” By rendering the translation as having the indefinite article “a” before “God” they lower the Son to being a “lesser god”, one created by the Creator God which allows them to teach the heresy of item 1 above.

I hope this was helpful to you

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They also believe that only 144,000 JWs will enter heaven, the rest living eternally on earth. You can ask them about this because Revelations clearly says the 144,000 will be witnesses for Christ, will be Jewish (even naming the tribes they will come from), will be men, and will be virgins. For some in depth study I suggest Kingdom of the Cults by Walter Martin available used for $10 at amazon.com and Reasoning from the Scriptures with the Jehovah’s Witnesses $11 at amazon. Both will give you a history of the religion and their theology. Good Bless your efforts to witness.👍
 
I believe they deny Jesus was on a cross, instead it was a post.
 
Not only Catholics, but Protestants in general agree that the JW faith is non-Christian in nature, and JW’s who were never a part of another church (they were never Catholic, Protestant, or Orthodox) who wish to join a Protestant congregation are generally required to be baptized and received as converts to Christianity rather than denominational switchers.
 
The son is God

-Isaiah 48:11
“For my own sake, for my own sake, I do this. How can I let myself be defamed? I will not yield my glory to another.” God does not share his glory with anyone but yet, Jesus asked the Father to glorify him. Jesus can only say this if he is God because only God deserves glory.“And now, Father, glorify me in your presence with the glory I had with you before the world began”. (John 17:15)
  • Only God deserves our worship (Exodus 20:3-6)
Jesus allowed people to worship him. Matthew 14:33 “Then those who were in the boat worshiped him, saying, “Truly you are the Son of God.” Jesus was also worshipped other times.

-Jesus is called God

John 1:1 calls the “word” God. In verse 14, it tells us that the word too on flesh. The only person to do this is Jesus.

John 20:28
Thomas said to him, “My Lord and my God!

The Father is God

John 6:27 "Do not labor for the food that perishes, but for the food that endures to eternal life, which the Son of Man will give to you. For on him God the Father has set his seal.”

The Holy Spirit is God.

Acts 5:3–4

then Peter said, “Ananias, how is it that Satan has so filled your heart that you have lied to the Holy Spirit and have kept for yourself some of the money you received for the land? Didn’t it belong to you before it was sold? And after it was sold, wasn’t the money at your disposal? What made you think of doing such a thing? You have not lied just to human beings but to God.”

Ananias lied to the Holy Spirit so that means the Holy Spirit must be a person.

God exists as three persons.

The LORD our God is one LORD (DEU 6:4)

God is one, But, the three persons make up one God and these persons are fully God.

I hope this helps 🙂
 
Not only Catholics, but Protestants in general agree that the JW faith is non-Christian in nature, and JW’s who were never a part of another church (they were never Catholic, Protestant, or Orthodox) who wish to join a Protestant congregation are generally required to be baptized and received as converts to Christianity rather than denominational switchers.
That’s correct - the Jehovah’s Witnesses came out of the post Millerite spectacle in the early 1800’s…
…In a nut-shell here is what happened.

William Miller believed he had cracked the code on the timing of the Second Coming of Christ…
…Miller, a devout Baptist, was a Trinitarian to be sure.
…And his razzle dazzle attracted MANY people from many other churches.
…Some of which were of the Arian or semi Arian variety.

Miller makes two predictions of just when Jesus would retun and promulgated the time to be in the Spring of 1843 OR 1844…
…Both these days came and went with NOTHING happening - subsequent to Spring of 1844.
…Two men THEN came forward and convinced Miller Christ would appear on 22 October 1844.
…The two men were “GEORGE STORRS” & Sam Snow ( aka Incarnation of Elijah ).

22 October 1844 came and went with nothing taking place and things started to sour for the Millerites…
…Shortly after the debacle Miller himself repudiated his former teachings and the majority of the people returned to their former denoms.
…Leaving ONLY the Arian, Semi Arians who didn’t have a place to go back to.

Rather quickly these Arians started to squabble over distinctive teachings and the result was a birthing of:
…Seventh-day Adventism, Jehovah’s Witnesses, WWCOG & the Christadelphians.

All of which hold that Christ was a ‘Creature god’ who had it’s diety CONFERRED onto him by “Father God”…
…Which in-turn allowed for Adventist teachings such as that Christ **could have **sinned and lost his eternal salvation.
…Of course the other standard teaching is that Jesus pre-existed as Michael the archangel ( however each Adventist group differs in small areas ).

As others have pointed out the JW’s unlike the other Adventist groups DO NOT have a “Bible” at all…
…It’s simply a book the JW crafted to help justify it’s heretical teachings to the people stuck in it.
 
2 Thessalonians 2:1-2

1 However, brothers, respecting the presence of our Lord Jesus Christ and our being gathered together to him, we request of YOU 2 not to be quickly shaken from YOUR reason nor to be excited either through an inspired expression or through a verbal message or through a letter as though from us, to the effect that the **day of Jehovah **is here.

Pull out a Kingdom Interlinear and point out “day of Jehovah” in II Thess 2:2, point out that the greek word is Kurios, and equate Kurios with Jehovah. Then point to verse one. And, say, “Lord Jesus Christ” should then be correctly translated “Jehovah Jesus Christ”. Same Greek word, Kurios, same context, same grammar. Their footnote does them, no good because it jumps to John 3:16.
 
Hello,
I am seventeen and have been discussing Caholicism with some Jehovah Witnesses. I was wondering if anyone had any pointers especially on the Trinity as that seems to be our main conflict as well as their Bible which I beleive is the New World translation. I am having a hard time discussing their translation of the Bible especially because its authors are anonymous. I, however have had two years of Greek and so that has helped a little. I would appreciate any help. Thanks.
JW’s are a Monotheist Sect. I have studied with them and while I don’t agree with them about the Trinity, their big thing is that the word trinity doesn’t appear in the Bible, they are Christian Sect.
As a person that has attended many Churches over the years and being a confirmed Catholic I no longer believe in Christian legalism, IOW if you don’t believe what the other guy believes then you will go to hell or not receive an award in the afterlife. I leave the judging up to the LORD and will prayer for anyone that asks for it regardless of theology or what Christian sect they belong too.
 
Hello,
I am seventeen and have been discussing Caholicism with some Jehovah Witnesses. I was wondering if anyone had any pointers especially on the Trinity as that seems to be our main conflict as well as their Bible which I beleive is the New World translation. I am having a hard time discussing their translation of the Bible especially because its authors are anonymous. I, however have had two years of Greek and so that has helped a little. I would appreciate any help. Thanks.
Be careful:signofcross: Arguing is one of the ways they get people to join. You are a potential convert to them. If you start questioning your faith cut all contact.
 
Unless you are well grounded in your faith, do not argue with JWs. Their points may be a mile wide, but they are thinner than any razor. They are trained to argue with Christians and know just the right things to say. It is easy to be led down the path. I have heard it said that there are some congregations of JWs that are primarily former Catholics. Sad.
 
Hello,
I am seventeen and have been discussing Caholicism with some Jehovah Witnesses. I was wondering if anyone had any pointers especially on the Trinity as that seems to be our main conflict as well as their Bible which I beleive is the New World translation. I am having a hard time discussing their translation of the Bible especially because its authors are anonymous. I, however have had two years of Greek and so that has helped a little. I would appreciate any help. Thanks.
I would recommend this website that documents how and why the JW’s have “developed” their dcotrines. It uses nothing but their own publications and you can then ask the person if they can explain these writings. I think you’ll find that most do not even know their own religions history of doctrinal changes. I was a JW for 25 years. If you have any questions about them, feel free to PM me.

jwfacts.com/
 
JW’s are a Monotheist Sect. I have studied with them and while I don’t agree with them about the Trinity, their big thing is that the word trinity doesn’t appear in the Bible, they are Christian Sect.
As a person that has attended many Churches over the years and being a confirmed Catholic I no longer believe in Christian legalism, IOW if you don’t believe what the other guy believes then you will go to hell or not receive an award in the afterlife. I leave the judging up to the LORD and will prayer for anyone that asks for it regardless of theology or what Christian sect they belong too.
JW’s are NOT Christians.
 
JW’s are NOT Christians.
Agree. They do not worship Jesus Christ, nor are they baptized in the name of the Father, Son, Holy Spirit.

What would make them Christians? The fact that they say so? :confused:
 
Be careful:signofcross: Arguing is one of the ways they get people to join. You are a potential convert to them. If you start questioning your faith cut all contact.
This is sound advice.

I thought I could engage in apologetics with them and so I invited them into my house. They came back with a different person who was better at apologetics and then eventually brought in a specialist, an ex-Catholic trained specially to refute Catholic doctrine.

This guy took every argument of mine and gave lucid, biblical arguments against every single one of them. When they left, I was really shook up. They are very good at what they do, highly trained, and I learned a lesson. They are not to be taken lightly and I will never argue doctrine or dogma with one again. But the lesson is learned, life goes on, and John 6 has not been repealed.

Just beware - that the well dressed girl standing at your door is backed up by a group of highly trained specialists who are experts at making you doubt your faith. If that starts to happen, as josephback said, cut all contact.

-Tim-
 
Thank you for all of the information everyone! 🙂 I really appreciate it!
 
Depeding upon the English translation, John 1:1 (in Christian bibles) states:

In the beginning was the word; the word was in God’s presence, and the word was God. (NAB)

Before the world was created, the Word already existed; he was with God and he was the same as God. (Good News Bible)

In the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God and the Word was God. (NAB, Catholic Study Bible)

In the JW bible on the other hand, we find John 1:1 as saying:

In the beginning was the word and the word was with God and the word was A: God. (Emphasis mine)

When asked, JW will explain Jesus as the 'Son of God" but not God. Jesus is a type of God. They agree that Jesus has been in existence with God from before time but when asked how something that is “eternal” is not God, they fall apart and run away. Or at least in my experience.
 
JW’s are a Monotheist Sect. I have studied with them and while I don’t agree with them about the Trinity, their big thing is that the word trinity doesn’t appear in the Bible, they are Christian Sect.
There is no such thing as a Non-Trinitarian Christian…
…It is like saying ‘Christian Porn’ OR “Christian pedophile”.
…JW’s are simply a heretical cult.
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KWR:
As a person that has attended many Churches over the years and being a confirmed Catholic I no longer believe in Christian legalism, IOW if you don’t believe what the other guy believes then you will go to hell or not receive an award in the afterlife. I leave the judging up to the LORD and will prayer for anyone that asks for it regardless of theology or what Christian sect they belong too.
Too a degree I can agree with you here - legalism helps nobody…
…However when Doctrines that are blasphemous are promulgated one should be legalistic in pointing that out.
…The JW’s are saturated with such teachings.
 
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