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DJgang
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:hypno: If ya weren’t an “ex-JW” I wouldn’t believe ya! Wow!
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Ravyn_Guiliani
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remember when we used to worry and debate about who would get to clean up all the dead rotten bodies? Surely Jehovah would send birds to do it! And remember how they said we could go in the streets and scoop up the gold they had thrown out to try to save themselves? I remember being a little girl and delighting in such gruesomeness! Those Armageddon pictures in the Watchtowers with the people screaming in terror and their tongues rotting out of the mouths and eyes burning up in their sockets! And we would get all the goodies. I would dream of it. SICK.
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DJgang
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yessisan
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Remembering this gives me the creeps!!! I still can’t believe someone can feel happy about something like this… You put it into the right words, mine was the PG version of it…
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Ravyn_Guiliani
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I freaked myself out with the previous post about the meetings—ewwwww I could even feel that red and orange patterned carpet under my feet! (and feel my butt falling asleep in those rust-colored tweed covered conference room stacking chairs! )Remembering this gives me the creeps!!! I still can’t believe someone can feel happy about something like this… You put it into the right words, mine was the PG version of it…
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yessisan
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I freaked myself out with the previous post about the meetings—ewwwww I could even feel that red and orange patterned carpet under my feet! (and feel my butt falling asleep in those rust-colored tweed covered conference room stacking chairs! )
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It’s incredible how someone can actually make me laugh right now…
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Ravyn_Guiliani
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WHERE do Kingdom Halls get that carpet??? I have only seen it in a few other places…like a cruise ship casino, a movie theatre lobby and a hotel conference room you rent for like Avon parties…and everyone knows those tweed stacking chairs I am talking about! Always in rust or brown. Atleast once in a Church I went to they had them in rose and french blue!
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excaliber
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Hey raven if you think your butt went to sleep in the hall chairs…
I had a bookstudy at my house with those solid metal chairs…YOW!!!
Raven lets make a law suit against watchtower for pain and suffering
because my rump still hurts!!!
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Metaron
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Um, no. What I said was true. Why is everyone jumping on me and defending JWs?
They are non-Biblical. They have something they call a Bible, but even secular linguists and scholars agree that it can’t even be considered a translation, because Rutherford took liberties when he was “translating” it, even though it was proven in court that he didn’t know Greek. So yes, they are non-Biblical.
I have a JW friend, I’ve talked to the elder, and I’ve been as close as I want to be, thank you very much.
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Metaron
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Sick!!! Are they depraved?!?! :nope:
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BibleSteve
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Just to emphasise how ill-informed you are…
Rutherford died in 1942…
The New World Translation translation project was initiated in 1946 and was released incrementally beginning in the 1950’s.
It was finally released under one cover in 1961.
Simply amazing how Rutherford was taking liberties with the translation, huh?
But, that doesn’t matter to you right?
You couldn’t be wrong… it’s just couldn’t be… even with your facts in disarray…
I would be embarrased to be making such derogatory statements against another group and have my facts so incorrect.
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Ravyn_Guiliani
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ok so it was Franz and all the other good ole boys on the New World Translation Committee.
hey Steve–what color of carpeting does your Kingdom Hall have?
hey Steve–what color of carpeting does your Kingdom Hall have?
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Metaron
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Oh? My JW friend told me that Rutherford translated it. My JW book told me that Rutherford didn’t know Greek. If I am mistaken, I admit it. I am human, I make mistakes. Why are you so defensive…? Personal issues…? Ok.
No, but they did take liberties:
Gen. 1:1-2. “In [the] beginning God created the heavens and the earth. Now the earth proved to be formless and waste and there was darkness upon the surface of [the] watery deep; and God’s active force was moving to and fro over the surface of the waters.” The ruach elohim (“Spirit of God”) of the Hebrew is interpreted “God’s active force” in order to avoid the Trinitarian understanding of the “Spirit.”
Zech. 12:10. “…they will look upon the one whom they have pierced…” Here the Hebrew “look upon me whom they have pierced,” in which God is the speaker, has been altered in order to avoid the implication that the one who is to be pierced (on the cross) is God.
John 1:1. “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was a god.” Instead of the grammatical “the Word was God,” we have “a god,” which the sect interprets as “an angelic being.”
Col. 1:15-17. “He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation; because by means of him all [other] things were created in the heavens and upon the earth, the things visible and the things invisible, no matter whether they are thrones or lordships or governments or authorities. All [other] things have been created through him and for him. Also, he is before all [other] things and by means of him all [other] things were made to exist.” Because the sect teaches that Christ was a created being rather than eternal God, the word “other” is inserted several times. The first edition of the translation did this without brackets.
Heb. 1:8. “God is your throne forever” (a nonsensical statement) is put intead of “your throne, O God, is forever,” because this statement refers to Christ.
Because the Jehovah’s Witnesses teach that men exercise “free will” in accepting or rejecting Christ, the version also has such forced interpretations as:
Acts 13:48. “When those of the nations heard this, they began to rejoice and to glorify the word of Jehovah, and all those who were rightly disposed for everlasting life became believers.” Here “rightly disposed” (a human inclination) replaces “ordained” (a divine appointment).
And many other passages…
Of course it does. If my info is lacking, or if I have made a misunderstanding, then, it is good to be pointed out, so there is no confusion. I would do the same for you.
Huh…? I’m not perfect, if that’s what your getting at.
I was mistaken by the authorship, it appears, but the rest of my info is fully correct. Any questions? :coffeeread:
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DannyHaszard
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Debunking the Jehovah’s Witnesses beliefs:
A) They are at your door to recruit you for enslavement to their watchtower corporation,they will say that “we are just here to share a message from the Bible” this is deception right off.
B) The ‘message’ is their false Gospel that Jesus is ruling in heaven already since 1914.The problem with this is it’s not just a cute fairy tale,Jesus warned of the false prophets who would claim “…look he is here in the wilderness,or see here he is at the temple”
C) Their anti-blood transfusion ban has killed hundreds if not thousands D) once they recruit you they will “love bomb” you in cult fashion to also recruit your family & friends or cut them off. There are many more dangers,Jehovah’s Witnesses got a bad rap for good and valid reasons.
---- Danny Haszard Jehovah’s Witness X 33 years www.freeminds.org
A) They are at your door to recruit you for enslavement to their watchtower corporation,they will say that “we are just here to share a message from the Bible” this is deception right off.
B) The ‘message’ is their false Gospel that Jesus is ruling in heaven already since 1914.The problem with this is it’s not just a cute fairy tale,Jesus warned of the false prophets who would claim “…look he is here in the wilderness,or see here he is at the temple”
C) Their anti-blood transfusion ban has killed hundreds if not thousands D) once they recruit you they will “love bomb” you in cult fashion to also recruit your family & friends or cut them off. There are many more dangers,Jehovah’s Witnesses got a bad rap for good and valid reasons.
---- Danny Haszard Jehovah’s Witness X 33 years www.freeminds.org
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ASimpleSinner
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I don’t know that it is seeping in. I think it has been a mainstay among some folks in Orthodoxy for centuries, well predating the Reformation, let alone today’s fundamentalists… Not mainstream to be sure, but reference to the Pope as the anti-Christ among some extremists (cf. dccsa.com/greatjoy/orthodox.htm)I actually thought it was a Fundamentalist at first, but it is actually an Orthodox Christian:
oca.org/QA.asp?ID=37&SID=3
So it seems that the ideas of Fundamentalists and Jehovah’s Witnesses are seeping into the Apostolic Church aswell…
As to the OP & the new prediction, part of me is happy to hear it. Huh? Well 10 years on when it does not come true you would think that it might help some people to wake up…
Then again the paper trail of failed prophecies is already mighty long… yet that doesn’t desuade many JWs.
Keep them in your prayers.
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BibleSteve
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Check your facts before criticizing…
Read this book before throwing out anymore incorrect criticism of the NWT:
tinyurl.com/yrnaqu
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ASimpleSinner
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Steady there. A little charity goes a long way. Metaron willingly admitted the possibility of being mistaken.
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BibleSteve
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You are correct. Thanks for the counsel.
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Ravyn_Guiliani
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or read THIS book and just throw out the entire cult:
“Crisis of Conscience” by Raymond FRANZ (nephew of the Bible translator, and former Governing Body member.) or his second book: “In Search of Christian Freedom”. both bury the Watchtower once and for all.
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Jaypeeto4
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**Check your facts before criticizing… **
Steve, you actually have me laughing.
Talk about the POT calling the KETTLE “black” !!!
Any further comment would be superfluous.
God bless,
Jaypeeto4
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Steve, you actually have me laughing.
Talk about the POT calling the KETTLE “black” !!!
Any further comment would be superfluous.
God bless,
Jaypeeto4
+JMJ+
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