Jehovah's Witness: Does the Watchtower still teach the 1914 generation slogan: Millions Now Living Will Never Die?

[SingleMomMonica]

cftf.com/1914/index.html

The above link shows a photograph of the original booklet that Watchtower Distributed on the issue.

 

[Javl]

cftf.com/1914/index.html

The above link shows a photograph of the original booklet that Watchtower Distributed on the issue.

As far as I know, they still do. Also, only 144,000 elect Jehovahs Witnesses will go to heaven. Everyone else, if they don’t become a member of the Theocracy ( Jehovahs
Witness ), will end up in hell.

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Shalom Aleichem

 

[SingleMomMonica]

As far as I know, they still do. Also, only 144,000 elect Jehovahs Witnesses will go to heaven. Everyone else, if they don’t become a member of the Theocracy ( Jehovahs
Witness ), will end up in hell.

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Shalom Aleichem

Are there even 1 million (let alone millions) of people who were born in 1914 or earlier that are even still living? We’re talking they’d have to be at least 96+ years old.

BTW JW’s don’t believe in the existence of Hell. They believe in annilation of non-believers.

 

[Publisher]

Agreed, those JW’s I’ve spoken with believe “man BECAME a living soul” when God breathed life into him. Until God breathes life into them again, there is no soul. At the Last Resurrection, any who have not bowed down to Jehovah God in service…will…cease to exist…they will never gain eternal life…neither in heaven, in hell, nor on the Earth.

 

[1believer1]

Are there even 1 million (let alone millions) of people who were born in 1914 or earlier that are even still living? We’re talking they’d have to be at least 96+ years old.

BTW JW’s don’t believe in the existence of Hell. They believe in annilation of non-believers.

Perhaps those that believe that the 144,000 are Jehovah Witness’s should understand that they are Jewish males ( virginal ). Re read Revelation and seek the truth.

 

[Javl]

Perhaps those that believe that the 144,000 are Jehovah Witness’s should understand that they are Jewish males ( virginal ). Re read Revelation and seek the truth.

I’ve been witnessing to JW’s for about 40 years. I’ve tried proving the trinity, existence of the soul, etc. but the answer I usually get is that I am wrong and that only the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society has the whole truth. Our Bibles are abominations and are incorrectly translated. All “so-called Christian religions” are money-grubing and
God dishonoring organizations and we all work for the devil. It is hard to break through a
brainwashed JW. I just hope and pray that I got through to some of them. If you want a
good explanation of their beliefs, doctrines, etc. I recommend “Kingdom of The Cults”
By Dr. Walter Martin. It’s a pretty thoroughly rearched subject.

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Shalom Aleichem

 

[1believer1]

I’ve been witnessing to JW’s for about 40 years. I’ve tried proving the trinity, existence of the soul, etc. but the answer I usually get is that I am wrong and that only the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society has the whole truth. Our Bibles are abominations and are incorrectly translated. All “so-called Christian religions” are money-grubing and
God dishonoring organizations and we all work for the devil. It is hard to break through a
brainwashed JW. I just hope and pray that I got through to some of them. If you want a
good explanation of their beliefs, doctrines, etc. I recommend “Kingdom of The Cults”
By Dr. Walter Martin. It’s a pretty thoroughly rearched subject.

PAX DOMINI

Shalom Aleichem

Another good book for those that want enough information to help them as they witness to JW’s is: " Answering Jehovah’s Witnesses" by Jason Evert. It is easy to read and will give most Catholics enough information to give them the confidence to witness to JW’s.

 

[Javl]

Another good book for those that want enough information to help them as they witness to JW’s is: " Answering Jehovah’s Witnesses" by Jason Evert. It is easy to read and will give most Catholics enough information to give them the confidence to witness to JW’s.

Good recommmendation. I have read it and it’s another book on the list. Without trying to blow my own horn ( I’m trying to be humble ), I have written a paper answering the Jehovahs Witnesses on the Holy Trinity. I will email a copy to whomever asks, including
Jehovahs Witnesses. God Bless.

Len

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Shalom Aleichem

 

[dianaiad]

I’ve been witnessing to JW’s for about 40 years. I’ve tried proving the trinity, existence of the soul, etc. but the answer I usually get is that I am wrong and that only the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society has the whole truth. Our Bibles are abominations and are incorrectly translated. All “so-called Christian religions” are money-grubing and
God dishonoring organizations and we all work for the devil. It is hard to break through a
brainwashed JW. I just hope and pray that I got through to some of them. If you want a
good explanation of their beliefs, doctrines, etc. I recommend “Kingdom of The Cults”
By Dr. Walter Martin. It’s a pretty thoroughly rearched subject.

PAX DOMINI

Shalom Aleichem

If “Dr” (his doctorate was fake…) Walter Martin said something about a religion, one can generally assume that it is incorrect unless confirmed by at least two other sources, one of which had better be the religion in question. As that seldom happens…

well, you get the idea.

 

[dianaiad]

Another good book for those that want enough information to help them as they witness to JW’s is: " Answering Jehovah’s Witnesses" by Jason Evert. It is easy to read and will give most Catholics enough information to give them the confidence to witness to JW’s.

The only thing a Catholic (or anyone else) needs to witness to someone else is a solid foundation in his OWN faith.

 

[JeanneH]

Are there even 1 million (let alone millions) of people who were born in 1914 or earlier that are even still living? We’re talking they’d have to be at least 96+ years old.

BTW JW’s don’t believe in the existence of Hell. They believe in annilation of non-believers.

The 144,000 that the JW’s talk about are all “anointed”. Now how they become anointed is that they anoint themselves because these few want to live and rule with God in heaven. The rest of them want to move into our homes and live the good life on the new earth. Mind you our homes will be empty because we will be annihilated.

You may ask how do they anoint themselves? God tells them they are anointed and if at some point they change their mind they say that they misunderstood God. Does that sound familiar?

Jeanne

 

[SingleMomMonica]

The 144,000 that the JW’s talk about are all “anointed”. Now how they become anointed is that they anoint themselves because these few want to live and rule with God in heaven. The rest of them want to move into our homes and live the good life on the new earth. Mind you our homes will be empty because we will be annihilated.

You may ask how do they anoint themselves? God tells them they are anointed and if at some point they change their mind they say that they misunderstood God. Does that sound familiar?

Jeanne

I wished I remembered which one, but one of the Watchtower published books from I think the mid-20th Century - went into great detail about our mass deaths and how they will have to clean up the mess and all the work it will take.

Keep in mind, they’d have to remove our dead stinky bodies (keep in mind, there are billions of us who will be killed in Armageden but only about a million of so of them left on earth each Witness will have to average removal and burial of at least 6,000 people!!! - not to mention all the animals: cows, horses, cats, dogs that will also have to be disposed of since most of them will die from hunger since there won’t be enough JWs left to care for them all), rebuild the destroyed houses and buildings, also keep in mind that they will also have to farm the land and make food from scratch since the food industry will be wiped out & what is left in groceries stores not damaged by Armageden will not last long, no one will be able to convert oil into usable gasoline, the cars all over the roads will have to be moved & dumped somewhere, no one will be left to run the electricity power sources…didn’t sound like much of a paradise to me!!! And to top it all off…no twinkies - what a shame!:tsktsk:

 

[Javl]

If “Dr” (his doctorate was fake…) Walter Martin said something about a religion, one can generally assume that it is incorrect unless confirmed by at least two other sources, one of which had better be the religion in question. As that seldom happens…

well, you get the idea.

I beg to disagree. The “Dr.” is legitimate. I have checked. He was ( he has since died )
a Doctor of Divinity. His work has also been checked by many others and all agree to
its correctness and accuracy. It is NOT another work of fiction such as the “DaVinci
Code”. Also, I had originally studied with the Jehovahs Witnesses to learn about
them and what Dr. Martin had written is exactly what I had found out. Although he was
not a Catholic, and I am, I still accept his works as factual.

PAX DOMINI

Shalom Aleichem

 

[Nominefili]

If “Dr” (his doctorate was fake…) Walter Martin said something about a religion, one can generally assume that it is incorrect unless confirmed by at least two other sources, one of which had better be the religion in question. As that seldom happens…

well, you get the idea.

I’m gonna take a wild stab in the dark and assume that he didn’t have nice things to say about the LDS?

 

[Javl]

The 144,000 that the JW’s talk about are all “anointed”. Now how they become anointed is that they anoint themselves because these few want to live and rule with God in heaven. The rest of them want to move into our homes and live the good life on the new earth. Mind you our homes will be empty because we will be annihilated.

You may ask how do they anoint themselves? God tells them they are anointed and if at some point they change their mind they say that they misunderstood God. Does that sound familiar?

Jeanne

They receive the annointing direct from God. They are all members of God’s theocracy,
therefore all those who are not will be anihillated. What does shake them up is the great multitude that is waiting under God’s Altar in heaven, as described in Revelation. They
have no real explanation for this.

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Shalom Aleichem

 

[Javl]

I’m gonna take a wild stab in the dark and assume that he didn’t have nice things to say about the LDS?

All Dr. Martin has done is to present the truth about the LDS church. And all LDSs
say that he doesn’t know anything, he’s a phoney and that his credentials are fake, etc.
How else can they defend themselves?

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Shalom Aleichem

 

[dianaiad]

I beg to disagree. The “Dr.” is legitimate. I have checked. He was ( he has since died )
a Doctor of Divinity.

Uhm…no.

He got his doctorate from California Western University in 1976, which is described by the California Department of Education as “California Western is an non accredited degree granting school, which has been operating since 1973 or '74. The school is basically a correspondence school with an instructional staff of four persons who are all called deans.”

Now I’m not talking about an online university. They didn’t HAVE online universities in 1976.
As an online teacher myself, I am aware that such programs can be fully accredited, and more academically rigorous than brick and mortar schools. However, that’s been a fairly recent occurance, and was NOT true when Martin got his doctorate from California Western University in 1976 (though he referred to himself as ‘Dr.’ before that.)

California Western University lost a lawsuit and changed its name to “California Coast University” in 1981, and has since become an accredited online university–by the Distance Education and Training Council. It is not regionally accredited, and if you have a BA or an MA from CCU, don’t try to go to grad school elsewhere. You will be laughed at. If you go to the website of, say, University of Phoenix, you will see accreditations from regional (North Central Association) and all manner of accrediting organizations–and NONE of them include the DCTC.

…and as far as any accrediting organization is aware, CWU MAY have offered a degree in comparative religion in 1976, but nobody really knows–and the four employees of the place weren’t talking.

Nope, sorry, Martin’s doctorate is phoney. He wasn’t a descendent of Brigham Young, as he claimed, either. Not even a distant relative.

His work has also been checked by many others and all agree to
its correctness and accuracy. It is NOT another work of fiction such as the “DaVinci
Code”. Also, I had originally studied with the Jehovahs Witnesses to learn about
them and what Dr. Martin had written is exactly what I had found out. Although he was
not a Catholic, and I am, I still accept his works as factual.

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Shalom Aleichem

I’m quite certain that his work HAS been ‘checked by many others’ who ‘agree to its correctness and accuracy.’ I have no idea how accurate his information regarding the Jehovah’s Witnesses is. I DO know that his information about Mormonism is mostly bunkum, and that does make me rather suspicious of his scholarship of anything else.

Not to mention that he lied a lot about a great many other things, which of course messes up his credibility somewhat.

 

[dianaiad]

I’m gonna take a wild stab in the dark and assume that he didn’t have nice things to say about the LDS?

(grin)

No, actually, he didn’t. He didn’t like Catholics much either.

 

[dianaiad]

All Dr. Martin has done is to present the truth about the LDS church. And all LDSs
say that he doesn’t know anything, he’s a phoney and that his credentials are fake, etc.
How else can they defend themselves?

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Shalom Aleichem

Well, since he didn’t know anything, presented our beliefs inaccurately and had fake credentials (and lied a lot, too,) I suppose that pointing these things out would be a valid method of defending ourselves.

However, if you can consider that the man who thinks THIS of Roman Catholicism, MUST be right about Mormonism, ask yourself something:

If the man is right about Mormonism, why isn’t he right about Catholicism? Is his level of scholarship different? What would make it so?

Or…do you think he’s right about Mormonism (and perhaps the Jehovah’s Witnesses) because you don’t like Mormonism and the Jehovah’s Witnesses either, so anybody who speaks against them MUST be correct–even if he’s all wet about Catholicism?

Just how logical is that? You like what he says about Mormonism because his words scratch your itching ears? Don’t you think that a MORMON would know her own beliefs better than a guy with a penchant for making money attacking other faiths?

Sorry…his credibility is in the toilet, and so is his scholarship.

 

[Javl]

Well, since he didn’t know anything, presented our beliefs inaccurately and had fake credentials (and lied a lot, too,) I suppose that pointing these things out would be a valid method of defending ourselves.

However, if you can consider that the man who thinks THIS of Roman Catholicism, MUST be right about Mormonism, ask yourself something:

If the man is right about Mormonism, why isn’t he right about Catholicism? Is his level of scholarship different? What would make it so?

Or…do you think he’s right about Mormonism (and perhaps the Jehovah’s Witnesses) because you don’t like Mormonism and the Jehovah’s Witnesses either, so anybody who speaks against them MUST be correct–even if he’s all wet about Catholicism?

Just how logical is that? You like what he says about Mormonism because his words scratch your itching ears? Don’t you think that a MORMON would know her own beliefs better than a guy with a penchant for making money attacking other faiths?

Sorry…his credibility is in the toilet, and so is his scholarship.

Much of what he had said about the LDS and JWs, etc. have come from ex-members of these organizations. I guess then that the ex-members knew nothing either and were
phonies? There are many books available about the inner workings, etc, about these organizations which can be presented. I guess that they also are a lot of hokum? I also
know about Dr. Martin’s being anti-Catholic, that comes naturally with Baptists, of which he was one, but as he learned about Catholicism, his opinions changed.

As far as his degree went, yes, I know about that, but it was accepted as such by other scholars. I think that should be enough to make it legitimate. Even so, his writings are
still fairly accurate and are widely used for reference.

As I have said in a previous post, I have studied with the JWs and over the years have learned quite a bit about them. Comparing what I know with what Dr. Martin has written proves, to me and others, that he was accurate in his assesments and writings.

My sincere apologies if I have sounded insulting, I do not mean to be, or do, so, but the truth is the truth.

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Shalom Aleichem