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Holly3278
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What exactly about the Jehovah’s Witnesses is considered heretical? My understanding is that they are non-Trinitarian. Is that true? 
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geezerbob
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There is a lot of information on the JW’s on the CA site which can be accessed from the home page (nor the Forums home page). Start here:
catholic.com/library/Distinctive_Beliefs_of_Jehovahs.asp
catholic.com/library/Distinctive_Beliefs_of_Jehovahs.asp
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Ricardo_Gomez
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Right on. I am sharing ideas with a new recruit of the Jehova Witness’s doctrine. I think the page used by the author of the thread is quite useful, but because my friend does not know any more than what he has been taught, I rather start by the begginning. I went to www.watchman.org and bought copies of the writtings of Charles Taze Russell, in which he predicted the end of the world. Right after Russell started this religion/sect they were called Russellines, but after the 1930’s they became the Jehova Witness. What I told my friend is how Russell’s prediction did not became true, but I made emphazis in the fact that the World War I started in the year 1914. 1914 was the date, according to the Jehova Witness/Russellins, the world was going to end. I told him about the power of the universe (evil), which could never be compared with the power of God (divine). I told him the true: the Jehova Witness doctrine is based on a big, fat lie. I finished my flyer, which I made on my computer, by saying: the facts state the falsehood of the Jehova Witness doctrine. Now the question I want to ask is: are you willing to let one of your family members dye if any of them needed a blood transfusion?
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jschwehm
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Hi:
You may find the answers you are looking for at our website www.catholicxjw.com
We are known as The Fellowship of Catholic Ex-Jehovah’s Witnesses. Most of us are former JWs who are now Catholic and some of us are inactive JWs in the process of becoming Catholic.
In any case, if you have any questions feel free to email me at jschwehm@catholicxjw.com
God’s blessings to you,
Jeff Schwehm
President
The Fellowship of Catholic Ex-Jehovah’s Witnesses
You may find the answers you are looking for at our website www.catholicxjw.com
We are known as The Fellowship of Catholic Ex-Jehovah’s Witnesses. Most of us are former JWs who are now Catholic and some of us are inactive JWs in the process of becoming Catholic.
In any case, if you have any questions feel free to email me at jschwehm@catholicxjw.com
God’s blessings to you,
Jeff Schwehm
President
The Fellowship of Catholic Ex-Jehovah’s Witnesses
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carol_marie
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That is true - they do not believe that Jesus was God, but rather an angel. They also believe that only 144,000 people (JW’s) will go to heaven and the rest of the JW’s will live forever on earth. They have believed, since their religion was founded that the Battle of Armegeddon (the end of the world) is scheduled to happen any day now. They believe that all religions - and especially the Catholic Church is controlled by Satan. They have rewritten the Bible to support their beliefs.What exactly about the Jehovah’s Witnesses is considered heretical? My understanding is that they are non-Trinitarian. Is that true?
Jehovah’s Witnesses, individually are very sincere, dedicated people who have believed all of these lies. They believe they are serving God, but of course they are not. How sad is that? They deserve our prayers.
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Holly3278
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carol marie:
They believe Jesus was an angel? That is sooo strange.
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Evanescence
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If you want to know more about the JW’s then go to www.watchtower.org
Also there are a few good jw forum sites you might want to read through.
www.jehovahs-witness.com
www.jwforum.com
b26.ezboard.com/bexjehovahswitnessforum
The jws don’t celebrate christmas and bithdays
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Also there are a few good jw forum sites you might want to read through.
www.jehovahs-witness.com
www.jwforum.com
b26.ezboard.com/bexjehovahswitnessforum
The jws don’t celebrate christmas and bithdays
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Cathoholic
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Dear Holly3278
I recently placed almost identically this post on another thread and I think it would be useful for you here too.
It concerned someone suggesting an implicit denial of the Messiah (Jesus) as true God and true man. Here is pretty much what was said . . .
His thought process sounds the same as Jehovah’s Witnesses and Seventh Day Adventists and Unitarians in regards to Jesus’ Divinity. Is his Messiah or “Moshiach”
Truly God and truly man? Doubtful.
Here is one way to approach this issue and doesn’t involve Scriptural interpretation (which is good because they always seem to have a different interpretation for a given verse as you are seeing). The ancient Church Fathers used something like this against the Arians and I try to bring it up when the “Witnesses” show up at the door.
I ask if they’re God (the Father) is all perfect, perfectly just, perfectly merciful, all knowing, and infinite. I stress the infinity part of it. They invariably say “Yes.”
Then point out that: even a little sin against a little god (I use this for perspective) is a “little sin”. A little sin against a “big god” is a “big sin” because you sin against ALL of that “big” god.
But even a little sin (such as eating of the forbidden fruit), against an infinite God, yields an infinite sin because this God is infinite and the account that this infinite God requires (after all, He is perfectly just along with those other attributes) for friendship and fellowship with him cannot be paid from a finite source. So this “messiah” if he is merely a created being (St. Michael the Archangel in the case of the Witnesses) can only pay a finite account and we have no chance of salvation. Either that or a finite being CAN pay a full account (meaning your “god” is a finite being and not the true God).
OR the account is infinite, we could never pay a full account, and the Messiah MUST be true God and true man to satisfy God’s perfect mercy AND perfect justice thus providing a way for fellowship with God again!
I may not get back to this thread again (so please don’t take it personal if I don’t respond to any posts for follow-ups) but I hope this helps.
I recently placed almost identically this post on another thread and I think it would be useful for you here too.
It concerned someone suggesting an implicit denial of the Messiah (Jesus) as true God and true man. Here is pretty much what was said . . .
His thought process sounds the same as Jehovah’s Witnesses and Seventh Day Adventists and Unitarians in regards to Jesus’ Divinity. Is his Messiah or “Moshiach”
Truly God and truly man? Doubtful.
Here is one way to approach this issue and doesn’t involve Scriptural interpretation (which is good because they always seem to have a different interpretation for a given verse as you are seeing). The ancient Church Fathers used something like this against the Arians and I try to bring it up when the “Witnesses” show up at the door.
I ask if they’re God (the Father) is all perfect, perfectly just, perfectly merciful, all knowing, and infinite. I stress the infinity part of it. They invariably say “Yes.”
Then point out that: even a little sin against a little god (I use this for perspective) is a “little sin”. A little sin against a “big god” is a “big sin” because you sin against ALL of that “big” god.
But even a little sin (such as eating of the forbidden fruit), against an infinite God, yields an infinite sin because this God is infinite and the account that this infinite God requires (after all, He is perfectly just along with those other attributes) for friendship and fellowship with him cannot be paid from a finite source. So this “messiah” if he is merely a created being (St. Michael the Archangel in the case of the Witnesses) can only pay a finite account and we have no chance of salvation. Either that or a finite being CAN pay a full account (meaning your “god” is a finite being and not the true God).
OR the account is infinite, we could never pay a full account, and the Messiah MUST be true God and true man to satisfy God’s perfect mercy AND perfect justice thus providing a way for fellowship with God again!
I may not get back to this thread again (so please don’t take it personal if I don’t respond to any posts for follow-ups) but I hope this helps.
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Ricardo_Gomez
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Just wondering are you a Jehova Witness? The reason I am asking is because I am looking for any information currently handle by Watch Tower on Charles Taze Russell. Seems not to be “avaliable” at www.watchtower.orgIf you want to know more about the JW’s then go to www.watchtower.org
Also there are a few good jw forum sites you might want to read through.
www.jehovahs-witness.com
www.jwforum.com
b26.ezboard.com/bexjehovahswitnessforum
The jws don’t celebrate christmas and bithdays
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jschwehm
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Hi:
The JWs do not really go by anything that Charles Russell teaches anymore. However, there are some groups that have broken off from the Watchtower Society that still teach most of Russell’s doctrines. They are known as Bible Students or Russellites.
Jeff Schwehm
www.catholicxjw.com
The JWs do not really go by anything that Charles Russell teaches anymore. However, there are some groups that have broken off from the Watchtower Society that still teach most of Russell’s doctrines. They are known as Bible Students or Russellites.
Jeff Schwehm
www.catholicxjw.com
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Catholics4Life
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One thing I was thinking in regards to JW and their belief that Jesus is the Archangel Michael:
Why would God decide that the angel Michael was the one who would have to be tortured and killed for the sin of man? How would this fit with God being just? Can you imagine, God says to Michael “Look, I need you to go to earth and be completely tortured and put to death for mankind’s sin in the garden of Eden. If you, an angel, are tortured to death, then that will pay the price, and then man can go to Heaven. Sorry, just has to be you.” ???
Why would God decide that the angel Michael was the one who would have to be tortured and killed for the sin of man? How would this fit with God being just? Can you imagine, God says to Michael “Look, I need you to go to earth and be completely tortured and put to death for mankind’s sin in the garden of Eden. If you, an angel, are tortured to death, then that will pay the price, and then man can go to Heaven. Sorry, just has to be you.” ???
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Ricardo_Gomez
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Russell was the one who came brought the concept of the Non-trinity to this religion.
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At_His_Feet
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There is an article here at Catholic Exchange:
catholicexchange.com/vm/index.asp?vm_id=2&art_id=23033
written by Mary Kochan, in which she touches on some of the underlying problems in the theology of Jehovah’s Witnesses; i.e., a limited or reduced view of God’s attributes.
If you like this, search around on the CE website for more articles by her. She’s written a lot of good stuff.
catholicexchange.com/vm/index.asp?vm_id=2&art_id=23033
written by Mary Kochan, in which she touches on some of the underlying problems in the theology of Jehovah’s Witnesses; i.e., a limited or reduced view of God’s attributes.
If you like this, search around on the CE website for more articles by her. She’s written a lot of good stuff.
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jschwehm
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Hi Richard:
True, Charles Russell resurrected the Neo Arian view of Jesus. However, much of his chronology and the way he viewed the Watchtower organization are very different now.
Russell was into pyramidology and other things. He was also a Zionist. Rutherford the next President of the Watchtower Society got rid of the pyramidology and the Zionist views and also made the Organization into somewhat of a god.
That is what I was referring to and that is also why JWs are discouraged from reading the older literature.
Jeff Schwehm
www.catholicxjw.com
True, Charles Russell resurrected the Neo Arian view of Jesus. However, much of his chronology and the way he viewed the Watchtower organization are very different now.
Russell was into pyramidology and other things. He was also a Zionist. Rutherford the next President of the Watchtower Society got rid of the pyramidology and the Zionist views and also made the Organization into somewhat of a god.
That is what I was referring to and that is also why JWs are discouraged from reading the older literature.
Jeff Schwehm
www.catholicxjw.com
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Ricardo_Gomez
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At www.watchman.org there is some information about a house, Mr Retherford built. The house is called Beth-Sarim, and its purpose was for Moses, Joshep, and all of the TRUE prophets of the Bible because the JW believed the end of the world be done by the 1935. The house was built for the true prophets when they revive for the millenium. Of course, every body forgot about the date of the end of the world, execpt the JW. Imagine, Moses, and Joshep identifying themselves with some kind of heavenly visa or mastercard at the front door of the house Beth-Sarim, which in Hebrew is the “House of the Princess”.
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jschwehm
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Actually Richard:
A local homeless man once knocked on the door to Beth Sarim and claimed that he was King David and that he was ready to take over the house. This homeless man brought a reporter with him evidently because the San Diego Newspaper ran an article about it.
In any case, Rutherford refused to give this man the house because Rutherford just “knew” this guy was not King David. When asked by the reporter how he knew this guy was not King David, Rutherford replied that King David would show up speaking the King’s English and would be wearing a Top Hat, walking with a cane, and spats.
Jeff S.
www.catholicxjw.com
A local homeless man once knocked on the door to Beth Sarim and claimed that he was King David and that he was ready to take over the house. This homeless man brought a reporter with him evidently because the San Diego Newspaper ran an article about it.
In any case, Rutherford refused to give this man the house because Rutherford just “knew” this guy was not King David. When asked by the reporter how he knew this guy was not King David, Rutherford replied that King David would show up speaking the King’s English and would be wearing a Top Hat, walking with a cane, and spats.
Jeff S.
www.catholicxjw.com
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Ricardo_Gomez
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The thing is the JW doctrine is based on the fact that the world is going to end soon, and many, many, members of this doctrine have not had any children because they are still watting for the millenium (with Christ/Michael) as the fisical ruler. I am doing my part because I think a doctrine based on a lie should not be allowed to recruit more to die in case they need a blood transfucion. What I do, I chase JW on the streets, and when I found them I make sure they know how did the JW doctrine came to be.
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Marilena
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Actually Richard:
" Rutherford replied that King David would show up speaking the King’s English and would be wearing a Top Hat, walking with a cane, and spats."
Are you serious Jeff? A top hat and spats? Really? Good grief!A cane? Why would a resurrected man need a cane?
Or seriously confused!
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jschwehm
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Really…
It is rumored that Rutherford had a serious drinking problem and that the JWs at the Headquarters went to great lengths to hide this from the rank and file. That is probably one of the reasons why they shipped him off to San Diego and kept him away from Brooklyn as much as possible.
It is common knowledge among the old-timers at Bethel that Rutherford had booze brought into Bethel illegally during prohibition.
There are lots of things about Rutherford that the rank and file have no idea about and which the organization has hidden.
Rutherford was crazy.
Jeff S.
www.catholicxjw.com
It is rumored that Rutherford had a serious drinking problem and that the JWs at the Headquarters went to great lengths to hide this from the rank and file. That is probably one of the reasons why they shipped him off to San Diego and kept him away from Brooklyn as much as possible.
It is common knowledge among the old-timers at Bethel that Rutherford had booze brought into Bethel illegally during prohibition.
There are lots of things about Rutherford that the rank and file have no idea about and which the organization has hidden.
Rutherford was crazy.
Jeff S.
www.catholicxjw.com
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