Jesuit Official Protests Gay Priest Ban

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I have not come into full communion with the Church yet and this is one of the reasons for my hesitation. It seems that the Church has tolerated (and as a result, fostered) a homosexual culture in the priesthood with disasterous consequences. Are these activist priests the norm or the exception (squeeky wheel)?
 
Exception, and minority- and, as you may find out, the press loves it when people disagree with the big, bad church, so they will always get extensive coverage. Anymore, most of us Catholics ignore this stuff, it gets old after a while.

If you do have questions, though, we’d love to try to help 🙂
 
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I have not come into full communion with the Church yet and this is one of the reasons for my hesitation. It seems that the Church has tolerated (and as a result, fostered) a homosexual culture in the priesthood with disasterous consequences. Are these activist priests the norm or the exception (squeeky wheel)?
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Let nothing stand inbetween you and coming into full communion with the Bride of Christ; don’t let some bad priests deter you from coming closer to Our Lord.
 
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If you do have questions, though, we’d love to try to help 🙂
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My fear is introducing my wife and kids to Catholicism. I wish them to fall in love with the Church I have discovered through researching its doctrines and history. My fear is to take them to mass and have their first impression to be one of revulsion because of a pc homily or some liturgical abuse.
 
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"Priests in religious orders throughout the country said in interviews that anger is building among their members about the prospect of a ban on gay seminarians.

"Some have said clergy are considering staging a strike on a Sunday, to show how critical gay priests are to serving the church. Priests who had not disclosed their sexual orientation to parishioners are now thinking about coming out and denouncing the idea of a ban. Others have talked about signing their names to a protest letter to the Vatican.

“Estimates of the numbers of gays in the priesthood vary from 25 percent to 50 percent. About one-third of the 42,500 U.S. priests are members of religious orders.”

Makes one wonder if there is something that these religious orders are hiding. Somehow “gay priests” are “critical” to serving the Church is a joke. What other “critical” populations does the Church next “need” to serve the flock? The fact that a Catholic priest would consider “coming out” with their [SSA] “sexual orientation” as a protest rings of gay activitism and demonstrates an over identification with being “homosexual” as part of their conscious identity.
 
Although I am very tempted to post a “Jesuits Gone Wild” parody. I will refrain from doing so at this time…

I think what needs to be realized here is this; The Jesuits have gone down hill slowly but surely. It’s a pathetic reality considering who started the Order (Saint Ignatius of Loyola). You can say the same for quite a few religious orders… anyhow, I agree with you about the Church and taking so little action against dissenters.

One can think of quite a few people who should probably be in line for some sort of disciplinary actions… (Cardinal Mahony, Fr. McBrien, and others…)

Why there is a lack of action taken? I really don’t know. You can put only so much manure on such things. I’m pretty sick of the manure, nothing is sprouting from it.

It could be a “don’t rock the boat type of thing”. Maybe (I doubt this) the Vatican isn’t fully aware of what is going on with the liberals… actually that’s not even possible.

Nonetheless… I think Bishop Fellay of SSPX fame stated the bottom line of the situation in a recent interview.

“In order to be quite precise, I would like to add this further detail. We must indeed consider the Pope’s difficult situation. He is stuck between the progressives on one side and us on the other” I don’t promote schism. I just have respect for my brothers and sisters in the SSPX. So “us” can be those who want to live by church teaching in it’s fullness.
 
I have loved and respected the SJ deeply since my youth. It saddens me to see what their public face has become. i know many orthodox and heroic jesuits and all the world ever sees is the bad ones.
 
though i have to say if I were the pope, i would likly not institute a blanket ban on priests with SSA, on the most basic level my solution would be to not accept openly “gay” or men (living and embracing the lifestyle) who have practiced homosexuality in the past into the seminaries. but there is one problem…
On the level of serving as a priest, being aflitced with SSA would not be a problem if you controlled yourself and took celebacy seriously. It would be a similar (but i agree a much more dangerous, potentially scandalous, and heavy) cross to bear as all other celebate religious.
the problem lies in that to become a priest you must be in a seminary; For those with SSA, 4-9+ years (if you do minor/formation house at a college and major seminary) in a male-only environment would simply be a great occasion of sin and it would be extremly irresponsble for the Chruch to send her sons there knowing that it would lead them to sin almost assuredly. (i mean im a pretty chaste guy, but i know that if i were living, eating, sleeping, and bathing with a gaggle of women for 9 years, I’d fall into sin at some point if not many many many times, God forbid) So we have a catch 22… one that might be overcome but i know not how

That said though, i am but a simple layman. I have nor apastolic authority, nor the guidance of the holy spirit. In the end, Rome has spoken, and i obey.
 
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I have loved and respected teh SJ deeply since my youth. It saddens me to see what their public face has become.
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From the article, it seems that The Rev. Gerald Chojnacki, head of the New York Province of the Society of Jesus is not a publicity hound nor is he trying to make his concerns a public matter.

He is simply asking bishops to tell Vatican officials who oversee the new policy “of the great harm this will cause many good priests and the Catholic faithful.”

One of Fr. Chojnacki’s priests leaked the news to the press. But when the press contacted them, the province has declined comment. The New York province seems to be taking an honorable route to expressing honest concern.
 
One thing I can say for the Jesuits is Father Mitch Pacwa. Two thing I can say Saint Igatius High School in Cleveland.
 
Guar Fan:
From the article, it seems that The Rev. Gerald Chojnacki, head of the New York Province of the Society of Jesus is not a publicity hound nor is he trying to make his concerns a public matter.

He is simply asking bishops to tell Vatican officials who oversee the new policy “of the great harm this will cause many good priests and the Catholic faithful.”

One of Fr. Chojnacki’s priests leaked the news to the press. But when the press contacted them, the province has declined comment. **The New York province seems to be taking an honorable route **to expressing honest concern.
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Hardly. They should be talking to the Roman Curia.
 
They have no right to complain. Priests like this are part of the reason the ban is being reinforced now. These priests complaining are like a kid who hits his mom at the store, then complains because she won’t buy him what he wants. They are reaping what they have sewn. Had priests who struggle with homosexuality kept it to themselves (both in their talk and in their actions), people probably wouldn’t make such a big deal if some priests struggled with homosexuality- as long as they looked and acted like men.
 
I’m getting used to this kind of stuff where I live (Massachusetts). The liberal media here will have a field day when the purported document from the Vatican banning gay priests officially is released. Sadly, alot of liberal parishes and even prominent Catholic colleges here will probably speak out against the document (including the Jesuit school Boston College)…but… the Church must continue to proclaim the truth no matter how much She is criticized or ridiculed!
 
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The New York province seems to be taking an honorable route to expressing honest concern.
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Hardly. They should be talking to the Roman Curia.
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Apparently that is in the works.
Responding to reports that the Vatican may be close to releasing a directive to exclude most gay candidates from entering the priesthood, leaders of Roman Catholic men’s religious orders in the United States are planning to travel to Rome to voice their objections in person.
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The trip is one of the steps by leaders of Catholic religious orders to try to reassure priests and seminarians who have been rattled by news of a possible Vatican ban on the ordination of gay men.
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Word of the trip, which has not been scheduled, was in an internal letter sent on Monday to leaders of religious orders from the Conference of Major Superiors of Men, the key American coordinating body for more than 250 leaders of Catholic religious orders, like the Franciscans, the Dominicans and the Jesuits.
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Guar Fan:
From the article, it seems that The Rev. Gerald Chojnacki, head of the New York Province of the Society of Jesus is not a publicity hound nor is he trying to make his concerns a public matter.

He is simply asking bishops to tell Vatican officials who oversee the new policy “of the great harm this will cause many good priests and the Catholic faithful.”

One of Fr. Chojnacki’s priests leaked the news to the press. But when the press contacted them, the province has declined comment. The New York province seems to be taking an honorable route to expressing honest concern.
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Leaks are part of the agenda. These types of priests are exactly why the ban is so needed.
 
I’m not sure where this question should go, so I am posting here.

Today I read about the Jesuits being upset about the ban on gay priests. That made me wonder something and that is if a priest takes a vow of celebacy then how can he claim he is gay? It really bugs me that priests are doing that. It would seen to me that once they have taken the vow, their sexual orientation is no longer an issue. They certainly should not be a practicing homosexual! IMO if someone says they are gay that implies that they are actively living that lifestyle, and if a priest is saying that then he has broken his vow and should no longer be a priest!

Just my 2 cents.

Tamie Walcott
 
On the level of serving as a priest, being aflitced with SSA would not be a problem if you controlled yourself and took celebacy seriously. It would be a similar (but i agree a much more dangerous, potentially scandalous, and heavy) cross to bear as all other celebate religious.
the problem lies in that to become a priest you must be in a seminary; For those with SSA, 4-9+ years (if you do minor/formation house at a college and major seminary) in a male-only environment would simply be a great occasion of sin and it would be extremly irresponsble for the Chruch to send her sons there knowing that it would lead them to sin almost assuredly. (i mean im a pretty chaste guy, but i know that if i were living, eating, sleeping, and bathing with a gaggle of women for 9 years, I’d fall into sin at some point if not many many many times, God forbid) So we have a catch 22… one that might be overcome but i know not how
 
“Some have said clergy are considering staging a strike on a Sunday, to show how critical gay priests are to serving the church.”
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I’d sure hope that part of this “some” didn’t include Priest… Making the Mass on Sunday sound like a job… How could one be a Priest but willingly attempt to prevent the Mass.
 
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(i mean im a pretty chaste guy, but i know that if i were living, eating, sleeping, and bathing with a gaggle of women for 9 years, I’d fall into sin at some point if not many many many times, God forbid)
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Why would you be more likely to sin if there were no other men present?
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