Jesuit Official Protests Gay Priest Ban

[netmilsmom]

harinkj:

Why would you be more likely to sin if there were no other men present?

• Kathie :bowdown:

Because a man would have no refuge from the temptation. Can’t go hang with the guys to play football if there are none of them around.

Now put in that those women were pushing sex. That’s how it is in some of our seminaries where there is an open homosexual lifestyle. This is no longer a temptation but living hell for someone who wants to be celebate.

Ever go on a diet? Do you fast for lent?
It is much easier to avoid tempation if you eliminate the temptation.

 

[tuopaolo]

Brain:

though i have to say if I were the pope, i would likly not institute a blanket ban on priests with SSA, on the most basic level my solution would be to not accept openly “gay” or men (living and embracing the lifestyle) who have practiced homosexuality in the past into the seminaries.

If I were somehow pope I would promptly resign, knowing that I wasn’t any were near qualified in holiness and wisdom to be pope.

 

[tuopaolo]

Riley259:

I’m getting used to this kind of stuff where I live (Massachusetts). The liberal media here will have a field day when the purported document from the Vatican banning gay priests officially is released. Sadly, alot of liberal parishes and even prominent Catholic colleges here will probably speak out against the document (including the Jesuit school Boston College)…but… the Church must continue to proclaim the truth no matter how much She is criticized or ridiculed!

I hope it is released on Christmas Day or Christmas Eve or some other special feast. It would be a nice present It could also work as a sign – make people think about what it means to be man, male and female, on the day God became man.

 

[tuopaolo]

Does anyone know if the document’s ban on ordination of homosexuals will apply to seminarians who are already admitted to a seminary or religious order? I’m not asking about those already ordained priests – but those who have not yet been ordained buy are already in a seminary program or religious order.

 

[Valz]

felra:

The fact that a Catholic priest would consider “coming out” with their [SSA] “sexual orientation” as a protest rings of gay activitism and demonstrates an over identification with being “homosexual” as part of their conscious identity.

Excactly right!

The document will only make them come out and make it easier to find them and get rid of them. Personally I am glad for this document and fully support it.

Excommunicate the dissenters, there are many good men who want to be priests and don’t do it because of lack of action against stuff like this.

Valz

 

[Brain]

tuopaolo:

If I were somehow pope I would promptly resign, knowing that I wasn’t any were near qualified in holiness and wisdom to be pope.

LOL yeah i think Benedict XVI feels the same way, so did JPM, so did JPI, …, and Peter knew it for a fact! Luckily, the vastest of vast majority of them got over that hangup and trusted the Holy Spirit to guide them. (yes im aware this was a joke)

 

[HagiaSophia]

Comments from Fr. Trigilio who is the president of the Confraternity of Catholic Clergy and co-author of “Catholicism for Dummies.”

This policy is neither new nor unreasonable. What is unfair is to place someone who has a same-sex attraction in a closed environment exclusively populated with his own gender for a minimum of five to eight years. Imagine a heterosexual man living in an all-female dorm, sharing common bathrooms and having a woman roommate. The very close confinement, morning, noon and night, would be a trial for any straight, red-blooded male. A man with a homosexual orientation in a seminary could commit sin in his heart, even if he didn’t act upon temptation.

The tragic pedophile scandal involving some priests is not the issue here. Sexual abuse of children is not restricted to either sexual orientation and is a heinous crime regardless of who perpetrates such depravity - whether clergy or laity, family member, teacher or coach.

Neither is this a matter of justice regarding those who are to be ordained. The doctrine of the male priesthood and the discipline of mandatory celibacy do not unfairly discriminate against women and married men since ordination is not a “right” but a “calling” sanctioned by the church.

It is no secret that some dissent from the position that the homosexual orientation is disordered just as some oppose teachings like the sinfulness of contraception, masturbation, premarital sex, abortion and euthanasia. Truth is not determined by ballot, though, so Catholicism must continue to teach what it is rooted in Revelation and the Natural Law.

nydailynews.com/news/ideas_opinions/story/351544p-299866c.html

 

[Topher]

tamie:

I’m not sure where this question should go, so I am posting here.

Today I read about the Jesuits being upset about the ban on gay priests. That made me wonder something and that is if a priest takes a vow of celebacy then how can he claim he is gay? It really bugs me that priests are doing that. It would seen to me that once they have taken the vow, their sexual orientation is no longer an issue. They certainly should not be a practicing homosexual! IMO if someone says they are gay that implies that they are actively living that lifestyle, and if a priest is saying that then he has broken his vow and should no longer be a priest!

Just my 2 cents.

Tamie Walcott

When a healthy heterosexual priest takes his vow of celebacy, he does not cease to be a heterosexual. He is still attracted to women and has the powers of expressing that heterosexuality, he simply has chosen not to for the kingdom of God. He refrains from all sexual and presexual activity but that does not change the fact that he is a man and all people are intrinsically heterosexual. Anyone who believes that a priest becomes asexual when they take their vow of celebacy is deluding themselves. I know alot of good and orthodox priests. They tell me that one should never deny that they have a sexual nature or deny the fact that this sexual nature is good and created by God. They simply remind me that some must choose to never express that nature in a physical way through sexual or presexual behavior for the sake of their vocation. All must refrain from expressing it in a unhealthy mental way, i.e. fantasies, lust. But all humans, regaurdless of vocation are sexual beings.
That being said, there is no such thing as homosexual person. Homosexuality is never intrinsic to the human preson. It is a disorder. First, it is a moral disorder because it is the attraction to something morally illicit. Second, it is a psychological disorder like depression or OCD, because it is a from of neurotic behavior. But it can be worked through to varying degrees of success depending on the person. But the point is that there is no such thing as a homosexual priest because there is no such thing as a homosexual person. There are persons who struggle with the disorder known as SSA (Same Sex Attraction) and there are priests who struggle with SSA.

 

[Writer]

arieh0310:

My fear is introducing my wife and kids to Catholicism. I wish them to fall in love with the Church I have discovered through researching its doctrines and history. My fear is to take them to mass and have their first impression to be one of revulsion because of a pc homily or some liturgical abuse.

I don’t think that will be the case for you. Strangely enough, the Oregon Diocese seems to be doing a remarkably good job from what I gather. As a family of new Catholics, we are absolutely in love with our church in Salem.