Jesuit Order; is it a multiple?

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I have long wondered about the extreme variability of the Jesuits. Some seem to be so liberal that they’re not even Catholic :bigyikes: Others, like Fr. Mitch Pacwa (sp?), are very orthodox Catholics. So what gives with the Jesuits?

If anyone can answer this question, thank you muchly:)
 
If I had to guess, its a problem happening all over the Church, but because of two things, its very noticeable in the SJ. One, it is a very large order, so that if even a small percent are not solid orthodox, it still makes for a large amount of priests. Secondly, because they are an order focused on teaching, they tend to put out a lot of information, where as many other orders do not publish nearly as much
 
If I had to guess, its a problem happening all over the Church, but because of two things, its very noticeable in the SJ. One, it is a very large order, so that if even a small percent are not solid orthodox, it still makes for a large amount of priests. Secondly, because they are an order focused on teaching, they tend to put out a lot of information, where as many other orders do not publish nearly as much
This is a question I’ve been very interested in, myself. It’s come up in a few threads and I am always eager to see what people think.

I agree with SenorSalsa that there is probably less of a real difference between the Jesuits and other orders’ / diocesan priests. I might add that the climate in the Church is a lot different now than it was just after Vatican II, and I think a lot of young people experiencing vocations nowadays are inspired by a certain conservatism and appreciation for orthodoxy. People tell me that this will be true of the Jesuits, too. I myself am thinking about a vocation to the Jesuits, and personally I am attracted to their role in education, and their willingness to ask tough questions, while at the same time the answers that I have found to those questions have been (I think!) quite orthodox.

Peace,
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The Society of Jesus has two missions, to defend the Church against heresy and to make converts. It is a very large society as someone has already said. It’s an international community. There is going to be a great deal of variety among its members.

In addition, it is a Society of scholars. Part of defending the Church against heresy means understanding what is and what is not heresy. Therefore, they are students of a broader cut of theological and secular sciences than other religious communities. Most Jesuits have several degrees, not just in theology, but other disciplines as well. When they speak they often bring in ideas from their different fields of expertise.

Contrary to what the laity expects, it is not the mission of the Jesuits to be apologists. Their mission is to educate Catholics and non Catholics alike, both in ecclesial disciplines and secular disciplines. This was the mission entrusted to them by their founder. It is up to the listener to think about what they are taught and to discriminate between faith, reason, opinion and dogma.

Unlike the Dominicans, the Jesuits are not bound to preach just the faith, but to educate the entire person and to offer the individual enough information and knowledge so that he or she can make an informed assent to the faith.

Like all large religious institutes, the Society has men who identify one area as their primary concern and focus on that, like Father Mitch. But it has never been part of their tradition to have a common area of concern for the entire Society.

Jesuits are religious of a different type than other religious. They are really diocesan priests who make vows. They are bound to what is called the Common Table, not to Obedience, as are many other religious such as Franciscans, Dominicans, Carmelites, Augustinians etc. The Church makes these distinctions among religious institutes to allow each to live according to its charism. This does not mean that the Jesuits do not have to be obedient. They do. This means that they are not bound to obey one ideal or one emphasis of religious life. In this sense, they are like diocesan priests. Diocesan priests are not religious. Each priest can follow his own calling and dedicate his life and work to a particular mission or need within the Church. He can choose what aspect of the faith he wants to emphasize in his ministry and personal life.

The only reason that the Society makes solemn vows is to protect them from the reach of the bishops. Men and women in solemn vows have Pontifical Rights. They answer only to the Pope. The Pope rarely intervenes in their life or ministry, though he can. No bishop can do so. Had it not been for the power of the bishops, Ignatius would have not made vows, except the one to the Holy Father. He never intended to found a religious order. His intention was to found a society of scholarly missionaries modelled on the armies of Spain. What make the Jesuits very unique are their scholarship and their internal organization. They are organized like an army with a Superior General who is elected for life, like a General in the army. He is often referred to as the Black Pope because of his power and his black cassock or suit.

When a Jesuit speaks, it falls on the audience to use their knowledge of theology, scripture, spirituality, social science, natural science and other disciplines to sort out the message. Even among those Jesuits that sound very liberal there are very holy men who are doing just what the Society wants them to do, to teach everything so that people can make free and informed choices for the faith. The Jesuits have an interesting exception in the Church. They are allowed to speculate. It’s part of being an ecclesial scholar.

Just like any large family, you are always going to have a rogue member here and there. That’s human and to be expected. But do not measure the Jesuits with the same yardstick that you measure other religious. They are not in the same league or the same kind of religious. Their vocation and life is very different from other religious families. Just observe the manner in which they dress. Jesuits have never dressed as religious do. They have always dressed like secular (diocesan) priests. They did not want to be identified as an order, but as a society of priests in the service of the Church. When St. Francis Xavier went to the East he wore the orange robes of the Asian pagan clergy. So did all the Jesuits.

Hope this helps.

Fraternally,

JR 🙂
 
Thank you, JR. That was a wonderful post!
Your welcome. I wanted to post that explanation, because I know that many lay people do not understand that the Jesuits are not religious like the rest of us. They are a very different kind of religious society. I believe that is what makes them so attractive and why they are so large.

Their mission, organization and their scholarship are often misunderstood, even by bishops who may not have training in the history of religious institutes and their charisms.

The Society is a very good group and has done a great deal for the Church. We should be thankful for that too. Like every family, including my own Franciscan family, there are always nutjobs.

In addition, people often attribute authority to the bishops that they do not have. The bishops have much more authority over the laity than they do over Pontifical religious communities. They can only exercise authority over such a community if the community works for the diocese. And even then, they have to coordinate with the community’s superior. A bishop cannot simply give orders to a religious. He communicates his concerns to the superior who them decides how to handle the situation.

The only authority that a bishop has over religious is any authority that is part of his office over the universal Church. Just as a bishop cannot tell a family how to run their home, he cannot tell religious how to run their communities. He can request that a religious superior transfer someone out of one of his ministries, if the ministry belongs to the diocese. The superior has to comply or abandon the ministry and give it back to the bishop, if he feels that the bishop’s request in unfair. This has been done many tmes.

The Society has special privileges that are given to it by the Holy See that the laity and the bishops have to live with. Unless the Holy Father says they are to stop, they can go forward with their work.

It’s an interesting arrangement.

Fraternally,

JR 🙂

Fraternally,

JR 🙂
 
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