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I was doing more research on other religous orders adn i understand what Mendicant and Monastic Orders do but what does it mean when an order Clerical Religous Congregation, or Order of Canons REgular, or Order of Clerics Regular?
 
Does anyone know what those different types of orders do differently that i listed in my last post?
 
I know if i were to join my local parish smeinary here in pittsburgh i would haveto go to college for philosophy ebforehand.If iwas join a religous order such as the jesuits what are the academic prerequisites for joining?
This is from the Program of Priestly Formation
  1. Theologates must require a bachelor’s degree or its equivalent
    from an accredited institution. Sufficient education in philosophy, which
    the Code of Canon Law states as a biennium,37 is understood in the United
    States to be at least 30 semester credit hours, plus the out-of-classroom
    work associated with each credit hour traditionally expected in American
    higher education. A minimum of 12 semester credit hours is required
    in appropriate courses of undergraduate theology.
My understanding is that this program is used for the formation of all priests in the US- secular (diocesean) and regular (orders like the Jesuits).

In addition to these requirements, the Jesuits also have their own formation process. It is one of the longest formations in the Church- 8 to 10 years I believe, with lots of education!! 🙂

If you are interested, even a little bit, in the Jesuits, I highly recommend you check out this website. It is a gate-way to all things Jesuit in the US.🙂

On a side note, I am a champion of the Jesuits, so my opinion is a litte biased! 😉
The Spiritual Exercises of St. Ignatius changed my life! :getholy:

If I was a man, and not married, I really hope I would be a Jesuit!! 😛
 
The Society of Jesus is an awesome order. It’s charism is beautiful. There are over 18,000 Jesuits, priests and brothers. Because of the way that St. Ignatius set them up, they have a lot more freedom than any other religious. Even though they make solemn vows just like Benedictines, Franciscans, or Carmelites, St. Ignatius did not want them to live like other religious.

They have no rule of life. He wrote statutes for them. They are free to change those statutes according to their needs and the needs of the times, something that other orders cannot do.

St. Ignatius did not expect his sons to live in community. They rarely pray, eat, sleep, or play together. Every Jesuit is very autonomous. This is a great thing for them, because they can move freely around the world without having to go where their community goes. It is also a weakness, because you don’t always have the oversight that is present in a community house that is regulated by a superior. It leaves room for people to get into trouble. Some Jesuits have become very good at getting into trouble.

Ignatius also wanted his sons to question the faith from A to Z. In his vision, he was building soldiers. These men has to know their faith and incorporate it into their being not as something that one simply obeys and follows, but as something that defines who you are, just as a soldier incorporates every aspect of military life so that he can survive alone, if he has to do so. The Jesuits are going to raise many questions and they are going to encourage others to question. This can be dangerous, because asking questions is a good thing, calling into question is not a good thing. Some people cross that fine line.

Are the Jesuits homosexuals? I’m not sure who said that, but the rule of thumb is simple. If you have not seen said behavior, then you can’t accuse anyone of it.

All of this being said, there are very holy men in the Society of Jesus and they play a very important role in the life of the Church. Today, many Jesuits hold very important offices in the Holy See. The second in command of the CDF is a Jesuit. One of the theologians asked to dialogue with the SSPX is a Jesuit. The Vatican’s highest theological commission is run by Jesuits. Many missionaries in horrible situations are Jesuits. Unfortunately, Roman Catholics pay very little attention to the good that these men do, but have made it their favorite pastime looking for everything that they do wrong.

The way that Roman Catholics treat Jesuits is disgusting. It lacks balance, which is part of Justice. The wrongs are aired out and the goods are never acknowledged.

We speak of them with disdain, forgetting that we’re speaking of consecrated men in solemn vows, the most sacred of all vows in the Church. Suddenly, sin trumps the sacredness of the vows. Yet, we say that we want more vocations. It’s not very inviting to the young to become religious, only to be on every wagging tongue.

Roman Catholics are quick to label the Jesuits, rather than individuals. But when others do the same when speaking about Catholics, then we protest that not all Catholics are evil.

In addition, some Roman Catholics have made it their mission to discourage vocations to the Jesuit Order. There is no way to improve a system unless you infuse it with fresh blood with a new perspective. To deprive it of new life is to condemn it to die. This is precisely what some Roman Catholics wish to see happen to the Society of Jesus.

But some people don’t think that the above behavior and treatment of a group of men is disgusting and sinful. They justify themselves by pointing to the errors and ignoring the good, which outdoes their weaknesses.

Fraternally,

Br. JR, FFV 🙂
 
Both of my sons graduated from a Jesuit high school (boys only). They obtained an excellent education (although not many Brothers were teachers). The President of the School is a Jesuit priest. There is a Brothers’ Residence right on campus, so we had several in daily contact with our sons. One Jesuit priest ran the retreat program and was a superior influence. Both of our sons went to and also led a Kairos retreat while at the school. These Jesuits were holy men.

One of the Brothers was known for being able to bi-locate. He could discipline a boy in one part of campus and then be in another part of campus almost instantaneously giving a PH to another boy (penance hall). Some people theorized a system of tunnels under the buildings but others think God granted him special powers to be able to ride herd on 800 boys.
 
Both of my sons graduated from a Jesuit high school (boys only). They obtained an excellent education (although not many Brothers were teachers). The President of the School is a Jesuit priest. There is a Brothers’ Residence right on campus, so we had several in daily contact with our sons. One Jesuit priest ran the retreat program and was a superior influence. Both of our sons went to and also led a Kairos retreat while at the school. These Jesuits were holy men.

One of the Brothers was known for being able to bi-locate. He could discipline a boy in one part of campus and then be in another part of campus almost instantaneously giving a PH to another boy (penance hall). Some people theorized a system of tunnels under the buildings but others think God granted him special powers to be able to ride herd on 800 boys.
:rotfl:

Now that’s funny. I’m going to be teaching a few courses at the seminary this fall. I wonder if I can get one of the Jebbies to teach me how to bi-locate.

They run excellent high schools. When I was in the missions, the Jebbies ran a very good high school for boys. We ran a retreat center. They would bring their boys to us for retreat. The Jebbies were always delightful guests. They were very humble, friendly, and intelligent without being cocky.

Of course, when you get Franciscans and Jesuits in one space there are going to be disagreements on the hot topics of the day. A Jesuit can never call a light bulb by its name. He has to analyze it and evaluate every part. The Franciscan, on the other hand, accepts the light bulb as is, but wonders why in the world Thomas Edison even invented such a thing. 🤷

Fraternally,

Br. JR, FFV 🙂
 
I think it was specific to THIS Jesuit. He’s also a Cajun, and infamous within the school community. 🙂 If you want to come visit, I’ll introduce you.

The school kept a good balance between understanding the interior and exterior growth process of teenage boys and keeping them in line. I probably would insist upon coat and tie every day, which is how they began, but that decision wasn’t mine to make.

(Of course I have more problems with the Jesuit focus on a particular slant on social justice, but in the scheme of things over the course of 4 years of their education, I think that aspect played a fairly small part. It’s up to me to clarify and give them historical background on issues such as that.)
 
I think it was specific to THIS Jesuit. He’s also a Cajun, and infamous within the school community. 🙂 If you want to come visit, I’ll introduce you.

The school kept a good balance between understanding the interior and exterior growth process of teenage boys and keeping them in line. I probably would insist upon coat and tie every day, which is how they began, but that decision wasn’t mine to make.

(Of course I have more problems with the Jesuit focus on a particular slant on social justice, but in the scheme of things over the course of 4 years of their education, I think that aspect played a fairly small part. It’s up to me to clarify and give them historical background on issues such as that.)
Your last statement is very important. We’re not all going to have the same take on social issues. If you put the SSPX and Franciscans into the same room, the SSPX would want us before the Inquisition. We speak of a preferential option for the poor. We refuse to serve anyone in the middle class or higher. We’re closing parishes, because they’re middle class. We’re in the Holy Land, but in 800 years we have never made a concerted effort to convert Jews or Muslims. Instead, our focus has been in trying to keep the peace in those parts of the Middle East where we find ourselves. We will defend the underdog, even if he’s our enemy. We prohibit all signs of nationalism among our religious and yet we encourage national responsibility.

As you say, there are different takes on social situations. The Jebbies have a right to have their own take.

Fraternally,

Br. JR, FFV 🙂
 
I am Catholic and am just now researching the Jesuits; weird how the Jesuits play such a role with in the Church and hold positions in the Vatican yet are for some reason treated as the black sheep of the bunch by Catholics themselves, yet after the 2000 scandals one would think people with in the Catholic Church would not have this ill mind set towards the Jesuits…

I can see the pros of being a Jesuit the freedom one has to work with out boundaries but as others have stated it can bring problems but it seems the problems stem from those who lack discipline or entered into the vocation for the wrong reasons.

It seems the Catholic Church needs more honorable, honest men in a lot of vocations from the top down and every where in between … or perhaps the bad we hear about from all sides is really a minority and becomes highlighted in society because of the scandalous nature of it and how media and tv ratings thrive on scandal.

I can see that perhaps maybe Joan of Arc would have liked the Jesuits, I at least wonder.
 
I am Catholic and am just now researching the Jesuits; weird how the Jesuits play such a role with in the Church and hold positions in the Vatican yet are for some reason treated as the black sheep of the bunch by Catholics themselves, yet after the 2000 scandals one would think people with in the Catholic Church would not have this ill mind set towards the Jesuits…

I can see the pros of being a Jesuit the freedom one has to work with out boundaries but as others have stated it can bring problems but it seems the problems stem from those who lack discipline or entered into the vocation for the wrong reasons.

It seems the Catholic Church needs more honorable, honest men in a lot of vocations from the top down and every where in between … or perhaps the bad we hear about from all sides is really a minority and becomes highlighted in society because of the scandalous nature of it and how media and tv ratings thrive on scandal.

I can see that perhaps maybe Joan of Arc would have liked the Jesuits, I at least wonder.
Whooah! Leave Joan alone. She was a Franciscan. 😃

Fraternally,

Br. JR, FFV 🙂
 
Why are the Jesuits “without boundaries?”
  • Find God in all things.
  • Do everything for God’s greater glory.
  • Magis.
And the best way to do this is through Ignatian spirituality (soul), missionary work (heart), and academics (mind).

This is just my understanding of the Jesuits. 🙂

My question is: Why do people, particularly American Catholics, suddenly get the hives when social justice and the Jesuits are mentioned in the same sentence? 😛

Watch this and you might get an idea on how the Jesuits see Social Justice…
Part 1: youtube.com/watch?v=leieHTWlon0
Part 2: youtube.com/watch?v=joTiQMRom7Y
Part 3: youtube.com/watch?v=dasw0ucvn_M
Part 4: youtube.com/watch?v=WMf4BAXJKCk

Enjoy. 🙂
 
Why are the Jesuits “without boundaries?”
This was the way that St. Ignatius set them up.
My question is: Why do people, particularly American Catholics, suddenly get the hives when social justice and the Jesuits are mentioned in the same sentence? 😛
Bl. John Paul said of Americans that we tend to think that our economic, political and military advantage has given us an intellectual advantage. In fact, these things have dulled our intellectual functioning, because for a long time, we have felt very secure that we could solve any problem and rise up to any situation. We didn’t need to think. We could resolve a problem by a push of button.

The Jesuits have proven that assumption wrong. They push the limits. They challenge. They stir the pot and Americans feel frustrated, because here is this insignificant little order of 18,000 men that we cannot control by pushing a button. Yet we can control the world’s economy and keep the world at peace or draw it into a war that will destroy humanity.

In other words, the Jesuits prove to the American people that we’re not as smart as we think, just like Bl. John Paul said.

More than the radical positions that some Jesuits take, the thing that really angers many Americans is that they don’t have the power to silence the Jesuits. Americans don’t handle powerlessness very well. We’re not very humble people.

Fraternally,

Br. JR, FFV 🙂
 
Why are the Jesuits “without boundaries?”
  • Find God in all things.
  • Do everything for God’s greater glory.
  • Magis.
And the best way to do this is through Ignatian spirituality (soul), missionary work (heart), and academics (mind).

This is just my understanding of the Jesuits. 🙂

My question is: Why do people, particularly American Catholics, suddenly get the hives when social justice and the Jesuits are mentioned in the same sentence? 😛

Watch this and you might get an idea on how the Jesuits see Social Justice…
Part 1: youtube.com/watch?v=leieHTWlon0
Part 2: youtube.com/watch?v=joTiQMRom7Y
Part 3: youtube.com/watch?v=dasw0ucvn_M
Part 4: youtube.com/watch?v=WMf4BAXJKCk

Enjoy. 🙂
It is my understanding that part of the problem is that some Jesuits working in Central and South America became involved in the “liberation theology” movement, which was Communism thinly disguised. Thus, the Jesuits were directly supporting Communism. That is where things went awry, in my reading. When a religious society ends up going that far astray there is reason to question them.
 
It is my understanding that part of the problem is that some Jesuits working in Central and South America became involved in the “liberation theology” movement, which was Communism thinly disguised. Thus, the Jesuits were directly supporting Communism. That is where things went awry, in my reading. When a religious society ends up going that far astray there is reason to question them.
Juliane, you have to remember that some is not the same as an entire religious order. There were some Franciscans, Marknoll, Passionists, Dominicans, and Vicentians as well. But the others were simply penalized and life went on. The Jesuits have been trashed by Catholics and have not been allowed to go on about their business without being treated in a very disgusting way.

We can question or ask questions. We can’t ruin someone’s good name. That’s what many Catholics take great pride in doing to Jesuits. An example is in these forums. When a young man expresses an interest in the Jesuits, it never fails that someone refers them to another community, because allegedly there is something wrong with the Jesuits. Discouraging vocations to a religious order is a form of damaging its good name and a death wish. Without vocations, an order dies. The same paragons of orthodoxy are often paragons of cruelty and slander.

Fraternally,

Br. JR, FFV 🙂
 
Please note that the Jesuits encourage and accept vocations in each of their provinces. If you are interested in learning more about the Jesuits, one great way is to contact the vocation director in the province in which you are located. For example, I grew up in Maine, which is in the New England Province, whose novitiate is in Boston, MA. You can find out more information about this at the Jesuit website (look for “Provinces”):

jesuit.org/

The Jesuits are the largest missionary order in the Church. In addition, they run 28 colleges and universities in the U.S. and many high schools as well. Also, many are involved in parishes, spirituality (retreat houses, spiritual direction, etc.), and a host of other ministries.
 
Juliane, you have to remember that some is not the same as an entire religious order. There were some Franciscans, Marknoll, Passionists, Dominicans, and Vicentians as well. But the others were simply penalized and life went on. The Jesuits have been trashed by Catholics and have not been allowed to go on about their business without being treated in a very disgusting way.

We can question or ask questions. We can’t ruin someone’s good name. That’s what many Catholics take great pride in doing to Jesuits. An example is in these forums. When a young man expresses an interest in the Jesuits, it never fails that someone refers them to another community, because allegedly there is something wrong with the Jesuits. Discouraging vocations to a religious order is a form of damaging its good name and a death wish. Without vocations, an order dies. The same paragons of orthodoxy are often paragons of cruelty and slander.

Fraternally,

Br. JR, FFV 🙂
You know, Brother JR, you are right. “Some” Jesuits is not the whole order. And I wasn’t careful enough about what I wrote. But I do not slander the entire order. As I said earlier, both of my sons have now graduated from a Jesuit high school and been in contact with some VERY holy brothers and priests. So I am not at all trying to discourage vocations to this order. (Although I will admit to being a little prejudiced toward the Franciscans…;))
 
I have been doing some research on the Jesuits from the website posted in this thread, which lead me to the Louisiana section and in turn reading further on i found that it takes around 12-15 years to become a Jesuit Priest…

some where in the process one becomes a deacon ( the title of which i do not recall )

so and maybe these are questions for a vocation director but feel it might be quicker to ask it here…

while one is going through this 15 year process, and moving through the ranks, what becomes their mission in the mean time ? at some point school ends, and one graduates, does one remain a deacon at a parish, or are they sent on different missions ?

That and they take a vow of poverty, I " have things " but barely at that, i have access to the internet, a large dvd collection, a paid for vehicle which i didnt souly pay for just partially, some other nick nacks from over the years, and i enjoy art and am fairly good at it and have supplies from photograph equipment to drawing/painting items.

I have never had such a stable job that i accumulated a large amount of money to live off of or be considered rich… I dont own high tech things such as ipads, cellphones, game platforms.

so how poor is this life of poverty ? I have probably had the same clothes for over 2 yrs i loath shopping for clothes hence why i keep what i wear for as long as i can.

and Why does it take 12-15 yrs to become a Jesuit Priest versus a regular priest/ parish priest.

and I was looking at the numbers of Jesuits roughly close to 17 thousand, broken down into different catageories… do Jesuit Priests ever get assigned to a bishop and parish due to lack of regular priests ?

any insight or answers , suggestions would be appreciated.
 
I have been doing some research on the Jesuits from the website posted in this thread, which lead me to the Louisiana section and in turn reading further on i found that it takes around 12-15 years to become a Jesuit Priest…

some where in the process one becomes a deacon ( the title of which i do not recall )

so and maybe these are questions for a vocation director but feel it might be quicker to ask it here…

while one is going through this 15 year process, and moving through the ranks, what becomes their mission in the mean time ? at some point school ends, and one graduates, does one remain a deacon at a parish, or are they sent on different missions ?

That and they take a vow of poverty, I " have things " but barely at that, i have access to the internet, a large dvd collection, a paid for vehicle which i didnt souly pay for just partially, some other nick nacks from over the years, and i enjoy art and am fairly good at it and have supplies from photograph equipment to drawing/painting items.

I have never had such a stable job that i accumulated a large amount of money to live off of or be considered rich… I dont own high tech things such as ipads, cellphones, game platforms.

so how poor is this life of poverty ? I have probably had the same clothes for over 2 yrs i loath shopping for clothes hence why i keep what i wear for as long as i can.

and Why does it take 12-15 yrs to become a Jesuit Priest versus a regular priest/ parish priest.

and I was looking at the numbers of Jesuits roughly close to 17 thousand, broken down into different catageories… do Jesuit Priests ever get assigned to a bishop and parish due to lack of regular priests ?

any insight or answers , suggestions would be appreciated.
Let’s being with your last question first. If a man is going to be both a priest and a religious, it’s going to take longer than if he’s going to be a priest. If you want to be a priest, you enter a diocesan seminary. You being your studies where you last left off and continue on until you complete a Maser’s Degree In Divinity or a Master of Arts in Theology. At most, it can take eight years.

If the Lord calls you to be a religious, you begin through several stages that a priest need not go through. They have different names in different communities, but they’re all the same. I’m going to use the names that we use in my community.

Inquirer – 6 to 12 months
Postulant – 6 to 12 months
Novice – 24 months
Student Friar – five years to 10 years
Solemn profession

During that time, you’re also going to school. In my community you must complete a BA in an academic area with a minor in philosophy. You must complete at least four years of theology at the graduate level and obtain either an M.Dvi or an M.A. You must complete a second Masters in Human Ecology. But you’re doing while you’re going through the stages that I’v outlined above.

If we look at those stages, let’s take the minimum number of years that one must spend in formation before making solemn vows. That would be 8 years. The truth is that no one ever completes his formation to the religious life in 8 years. It always takes longer. Eight year sis the minimum, but not the norm.

If God calls one of us to be a priest, ordination to the diaconate cannot take place until religious formation has been completed. That means that the person must be in solemn vows. In addition, the person must be in his 4th year of theology.

Let’ssay that you have completed your formation in 8 years, in the 9th year you would be ordained a deacon. If you’re still a student, you will finish the degree. In your 10th year, you do an internship as a deacon in one of our missions. You would be ordained a priest in your 11th year after beginning the journey as an inquirer. That would be least number of years that it would take to be ordained a priest and remember, I said that no one ever finishes in the leas amount of time, for many reasons that would take a book to write.

As far as poverty, the Jesuits are Clerks Regular. They are religious in solemn vows, but they are neither friars nor monks. They manage the vow of poverty differently. Because they are in solemn vows, no one can own anything. Before you make solemn vows, you must assign all of your assets to another person. You must give up any claims to future inheritances, say from your parents if they pass or a life insurance policy. All of that has to be signed away and it is legally binding. Even if you leave, you can never recover that.

As to smaller things, it is up to the superior to decide what smaller items you can keep in your possession. But don’t let the word possession deceive you. These smaller items, such as laptop computer, a cell phone, or CDs are in your possession, but you do not possess them, even if you brought them from home. How does this work? It means that if you have to move from one house to another and those items are needed in the house that you’re leaving, guess what? You can’t take them with you to the next house. The superior has the right to tell you to leave them. I’ll give you an example.

I recently moved a brother from one house to another. He had many good theology books. When I wrote the letter of obedience, I indicated that the books in his possession had to remain behind. Why? He was leaving the house of formation and going to a mission house. It makes no sense to take books out of the house of formation, which are needed there only to have to buy them again.

The best way that I can explain poverty for a Jesuit is “I need” vs “I want.” You will always have what you need for your health, work, education and development. There are no guarantees that you will always have what you want.

You can always join my community in which you will not have what you want nor will you have many things that you need either, because we only allow ourselves to have what the very poor have. For example, we don’t have medical insurance or retirement insurance. If we get sick, we use the state system just like the rest of the poor. That would not be the case with clerks regular, such as Jesuits. They will have medical insurance.

I hope this helps many people.

Fraternally,

Br. JR, FFV 🙂
 
I have been doing some research on the Jesuits from the website posted in this thread, which lead me to the Louisiana section and in turn reading further on i found that it takes around 12-15 years to become a Jesuit Priest…
The duration depends on what you finished in your undergraduate studies. For example, if you majored in Philosophy, then a few credits units might be shaved off from the curriculum of your formation.

Here’s the breakdown:
Novitiate - 2 years
Juniorate - 1 year
Scholastic (philosophy) 2-3 years
Regency - 2-3 years
Scholastic (theology) - 4-5 years + Diaconate (6 months)
some where in the process one becomes a deacon ( the title of which i do not recall )
If you’re going to be ordained a Jesuit priest, this usually happens 6 months before the presbyterate (priesthood).
while one is going through this 15 year process, and moving through the ranks, what becomes their mission in the mean time ? at some point school ends, and one graduates, does one remain a deacon at a parish, or are they sent on different missions ?
Before a Jesuit scholastic could transition to the 4 year theology studies from philosophy, he will take a 2 year regency. It means he will go out into the world, doing work in mission areas such as schools, leper colonies, etc. Once the superior has discerned that the he is ready for theology studies, then he can proceed.

After the ordination, the new Jesuit priest will receive his mission orders. Some are assigned to parishes. Some are sent to minister in mission areas. Some take further studies in certain fields. I have a Jesuit friend assigned to minister to prisoners in a correctional facility.
That and they take a vow of poverty, I " have things " but barely at that, i have access to the internet, a large dvd collection, a paid for vehicle which i didnt souly pay for just partially, some other nick nacks from over the years, and i enjoy art and am fairly good at it and have supplies from photograph equipment to drawing/painting items.
I have never had such a stable job that i accumulated a large amount of money to live off of or be considered rich… I dont own high tech things such as ipads, cellphones, game platforms.
so how poor is this life of poverty ? I have probably had the same clothes for over 2 yrs i loath shopping for clothes hence why i keep what i wear for as long as i can.
Bro. JR explained the life of poverty very eloquently. But if I might add… a Jesuit can use any means necessary for his mission. If he needs a mobile phone and a laptop for his work, then the Society will provide for those needs. But he can never claim it as his own. It’s the Society’s.
and Why does it take 12-15 yrs to become a Jesuit Priest versus a regular priest/ parish priest.
Bro. JR has answered this clearly. 🙂
and I was looking at the numbers of Jesuits roughly close to 17 thousand, broken down into different catageories… do Jesuit Priests ever get assigned to a bishop and parish due to lack of regular priests ?
A Jesuit priest may be assigned to a parish but not necessarily due to lack of regular priests.
 
What you do during Jesuit formation depends a great deal on (1) your educational level before joining and (2) your likely ministry after you are ordained. Most Jesuits these days enter after college, so they already have bachelors degrees and some have advanced degrees: M.Div, Ph.D., J.D., M.D., etc. If you don’t yet have a college degree, you’ll do that after you join. Those who are going to teach in Jesuit colleges and universities get advanced degrees (Ph.D.) after joining, if they don’t already have one. All Jesuits (except brothers) do a couple of years of philosophy (unless they’ve already done philosophy) and four years of theology (M.Div. + additional Licentiate year). They are commonly ordained after the third year of theology.

A very common pattern for those who enter with bachelors degrees but who aren’t going on for a Ph.D. is to do two years of philosophy, teach in a high school for three years, then go on to theology. If you get it in your head that your ministry during formation is to be a student, then you’re ok, and three years of ministry in teaching or some other work help. Most are eager to be ordained and move on to full-time ministry, but since so many Jesuits are involved in education, the years of study make sense, and you’re surrounded by people who are doing the same thing.
 
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