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Good history lesson, Br. JR. The Jesuits do get a bad rap but they don’t seem to want to set the record staight. Their, magazine is an example of their “liberal bent”. They are certainly not the same order that their Founder created. Having said all that, I do know several Jesuit priests that are very traditional and holy men. I, also, know a couple SJ’s that are VERY modern.

Probably the same across the church.
 
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The disagreement between the Jesuits and the Dominicans. The two orders differ in their definition of grace. This disagreement went on for years, probably decades. They took their disagreement to the pope. The pope, being very wise, chose not to get in the middle of a theological debate between these two powerhouses.
I never knew this but always wondered whether the different orders had theological differences…

Could you please give both sides definitions of grace?

Thanks in advance.
 
Many. As long as they do not contradict revealed Truth, different perspectives are allowed.

One that comes to my mind immediately is poverty. For a Benedictine, poverty means something different than it does for a Franciscan or a Jesuit. For the Benedictine, poverty is a means to holiness. For the Franciscan and the Jesuit poverty is an expression of holiness. Therefore, it’s an end, not a means. Hence, the concordance between our Jesuit pope and his Franciscan spirituality. They go well together, because the two schools agree on the meaning of poverty. If he were a Benedictine, there would be some difficulty reconciling the two. Benedictines can be very wealthy as a corporate group, but the monks own everything in common. No one owns anything individually.

Speaking of differences, let’s take the LOTH. For the clerk regular, the LOTH is not a communal celebration in the same sense as it is for a monk or a mendicant. The theology is different between the two schools. For all three, the LOTH is the public prayer of the Church and is the highest form of prayer, even over the Rosary, because it’s an extension of the mass. However, for the clerk regular, the public prayer can be prayed individually in private and remain public. For the monk and the friar, it must be prayed with others, because it’s liturgy and liturgy is not private. Praying alone is an exception, not the norm. For clerks regular, it can be the norm. The same is true for diocesan clergy. Praying the LOTH alone is usually the norm.

There are other differences, such a the theology of prayer or the theology on certain sacraments. Again, as long as they do not contradict revealed truth, the differences in emphasis and wording is permitted.

Have to go now. Thanks for letting me chime in.
This is really interesting, if someone ever starts a thread on the differences between the orders please don’t forget me…

Thanks JR
 
This is really interesting, if someone ever starts a thread on the differences between the orders please don’t forget me…

Thanks JR
Interesting and complex. That’s why I stay away from it. :yup:
 
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