Jesus’ Crown Of Thorns

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I was reading about the Crown of Thorns housed in Notre Dame Cathedral. I know the thorns are now gone, after having been given to many others as relics, but is that crown true to what Jesus was forced to wear OR was His crown more of a helmet shape of thorns, attached to this crown circlet they have at the Cathedral?
 
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You mean the crown rescued from Notre Dame, right?
 
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I don’t really believe that this crown made up of thorns that was located in Notre Dame was the one on Jesus’s head.
 
It’s too far fetched an idea that it was picked up by someone on the day of the crucifixion and then somehow it made it’s way from way back then to the confines of Notre Dame Cathedral today. Nope, I do not believe it for one minute!
 
I used to think the same way, but now I realize that anything is possible. I’m humble enough to say I don’t know - it could be true.
 
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was His crown more of a helmet shape of thorns
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His crown was turban shaped, but because Jesus was buried according to Jewish burial practice, anything with His blood on it would be buried with Him so His crown of thorns was buried with Him and was gone at His resurrection.
 
The crown of thorns was a unique “signature” invention to Christ’s crucifixion. You probably wouldn’t find other crucifixants wearing a Crown of Thorns. It was unique to Jesus because he was being crucified for calling himself a King. Researchers consider the Crown of Thorns a unique signature when they try to identify artifacts as relics potentially related to the crucifixion.

That said, whatever crown actually looked like - I honestly don’t think the Roman soldiers spent a whole lot of time working on it - either because they didn’t have time, didn’t want to get hurt, or simply didnt really care. And, since the Crown of Thorns was intended to make a mockery of Jesus, it was probably thrown together in some inane fashion and rather quickly (like in a matter of minutes) with the primary concern of making sure it would just stay together while they were torturing him.

The best scientific suggestion I have found for something like what the crown probably looked like:

The video suggests the material for the crown was probably a red flowered branch of a bush called “sarcopoterium spinosum”, which is a member of the rose family. I guess, if one was going to make a mockery of Jesus, the pretty red flowers (and they are pretty) would probably look very effeminate for any man of that day to be wearing, and they probably would have wanted the crown to possibly go in crazy directions to make him look sort of weak and clown-like while they scourged him. This would probably explain why the crown might have taken more the shape of a “cap” . It doesn’t necessarily mean it was, but, again, I am assuming it was poorly and quickly constructed, and it was aimed at making him look like a fool, so a well-constructed nosegay of thorns (like we see in the Notre Dame crown) probably wouldn’t stand out the same way as some half-hearted structure, flowery and flying in all directions (like the cap) might have appeared.

It’s also worth noting that the shape of a yamaka (sp?) is more like a cap, too… so, while it may be hard to justify such an argument, I think the shape of a king’s crown may have been more like a cap back then, or a wreathe of laurels…

$.02… Hoping this provides for some good food for thought and some positive contemplations…

God Bless and Happy Easter!

wm
 
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Bruce_Killian said:
Jesus was buried according to Jewish burial practice, anything with His blood on it would be buried with Him
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That is an interesting point, although perhaps difficult if not impossible to completely fulfill. Jesus bled profusely over an area with a radius of about a quarter of a mile, and even in areas where his relatives would not have been able to access his bloody remains - like they wouldnt have been able to get to the scourges for instance… and the cross itself and the rocks around it seems like it all would have been too much to try to bury with him…

However, if you look at the video above, and if you believe in the Shroud of Turin, then it does show the nails were still in his hands and feet. The video findings made me wonder why they wouldn’t have taken them out. I thought it might have been due to a lack of time, but what you are suggesting may lend some reason to why the nails remained in his hands and feet.

Where did you learn about that burial practice?

BTW, the “turban” shape makes more sense than a mere “cap” or “helmet”, or even a nosegay-shaped “wreathe of laurels”. St Paul mentions a crown of laurels, I think, but a nosegay-shaped “wreathe of laurels” seems more like a Greco-Roman convention, not really something more along the lines of mocking Jewish nobility, which seems more like the turbans we see members of the Sanhedrin wearing in the movies.
 
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Jesus died as a sacrifice. The dirt from the base of His cross was His altar (Exo 20:24 “An altar of earth you shall make for me and sacrifice on it”). That dirt was moved into His tomb. The cross was the cut and arranged wood of His sacrifice. It also was put in the tomb. It was consumed by holy fire from God when God accepted His sacrifice. From the Movie the passion of the Christ we can see the women at His scourging collecting His blood (to be buried with Him). It was only necessary to collect the blood you could. If you just look up jewish burial practice today the same standard continues see
“Bereavement in Judaism,” Wikipedia Bereavement in Judaism - Wikipedia.
I believe I have already seen this video and I disagree with their unproven assumptions. There is an article showing details of the nail wounds in His feet, no nail there http://www.sudariumchristi.com/img/thoughts/jean_carmignac_en.pdf.
The crown of thorns was also the basket holding the unleavened bread (Jesus) that accompanied the sacrifice. This is similar to the baskets on the head of the king’s baker in Gen 40.
 
I think there could be a small remnant of the original crown of thorns used to make a new replica of the crown of thorns centuries ago.
I don’t know how long it takes to make a crown
of thorns, but I am not sure how big the original crown of thorns was.
 
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