Jesus’s Brothers

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That, at least, is why Protestants reject the identity of Jesus’ “sisters” (and by extension brothers) were anything but younger & uterine.
You are seriously misrepresenting Protestantism. Some Protestants believe that. Not very many. Some Protestants share the Catholic view of Mary’s perpetual virginity. Some others – possibly the majority – regard it as a detail of secondary importance that they don’t need to hold a formal doctrine on, one way or the other.
 
Except that the Greek word for “sisters” used in the NT (“adelphe”) only has TWO meanings in the Greek: 1) uterine sister; 2) female believer. So, while “brother” (“adelphos”) has multiple meanings in the Greek, “adelphe” does not. It is not merely the “feminine tense” of “adelphos” & therefore has multiple meanings in the Greek as “adelphos.” Rather, it has only TWO meanings. Therefore, Jesus’ “sisters” could not have been “cousins or other relatives.” The Greek simply does not allow for it. And as far as older step-sisters from an (alleged) previous marriage of Joseph, again STEP-sisters is not an option, since step-sisters are not uterine.
Hegesippus says Clopas was Joseph’s brother, indicating that Clopas’ wife Mary and Joseph’s wife Mary were not sisters but sisters-in-law. The feminine noun adelphé seen in John 19:25 evidently covered that degree of kinship to Hegesippus’ satisfaction.

 
I understand you are referring to the Greek. I am not a Greek scholar
That is something we have in common then, because neither am I. Fortunately, we don’t have to be. Faithful Greek lexicons and concordances are at our fingertips, which demonstrates “sister” in Greek only has two meanings, and a non-uterine familial relationship is not one of them:

Sister (adelphe) - Strong’s Concordance
There is no word for biological brother in either Aramaic, which Jesus spoke, or in Hebrew.
Not a word strictly assigned to it, you are correct, but it can and does use the same word to describe a uterine relationship. But the NT was written in Greek, not Hebrew or Aramaic, which is more specific, particularly with “sister” (adelphe), as you can see for yourself from the link to the concordance, which has only TWO meanings, unlike adelphoi for “brother.”
And then in regards to brothers, even the people who saw Jesus after His resurrection were referred to as brothers, all 500 of them but Mary did not give birth to 500 sons.
LOL! Protestants have never claimed that “brothers” in Greek can ONLY mean uterine! Of course it has multiple meanings! So if that is your argument, then to be consistent, does that mean James and John were not biological “brothers” then, since the NT uses the same Greek word to describe their relationship? Protestants don’t use only “one” meaning of a Greek word to define all other uses of its use in Scripture. They discern its meaning based on its context, by comparing its use in a verse by not only its Greek meaning, but also cross-referencing other related passages in Scripture as well.
So from the earliest days of Christianity, the Church has believed that Mary was a perpetual virgin, and Jesus had no biological brothers or sisters.
It is true that most ECFs espoused to this dogma. But it also acknowledges that not “all” of them did, particularly the closer you get to the first couple centuries. This inconsistency with a truly “universal” agreement is why Protestants look to Scripture, and exegete the context and cross-reference related passages, utilizing the original Biblical languages to attempt to discern the context of particular passages, including one’s not everyone in antiquity agreed on.

Again, this is from the Protestant perspective and NOT meant to challenge anything.
 
It did? Could I get a source for that please?
Are you implying that the Biblical canon is NOT closed? If not, then “why” was nothing added to Scripture after Revelation over the past 1900 years???

Paul made it clear that the apostles and NT prophets were the foundation of the church. And it was the apostles and their close associates who wrote the NT. Once, the last apostle, John, died, that ended the apostolic age, and the canon was closed. The miracles they performed validated the writings they penned, which proved they came from God and not from their own minds. The apostolic age ended these Scripture-validating inspired writings once the last apostles died after Revelation was written.

Plus, Jude, the second to last NT writer indicated that their faith was handed down to us “once and for all,” thus closing the Biblical canon once the last apostle completed the canon.
 
You are seriously misrepresenting Protestantism. Some Protestants believe that. Not very many. Some Protestants share the Catholic view of Mary’s perpetual virginity. Some others – possibly the majority – regard it as a detail of secondary importance that they don’t need to hold a formal doctrine on, one way or the other.
This is true, particularly Protestants who espouse to traditions which came out of the Reformation, like Lutheranism, etc, which the PVM was not the focus of the Reformation. So, when I said “Protestants” I did not mean to use the term to be inclusive. Just to mean the non-Catholic understanding of why “sisters” in Greek has only two meanings, but not necessarily “all” Protestants. Sorry, for the misunderstanding. 🙂
 
From Dr. Brant Pitre from awhile back . . . .

The “Brothers” of Jesus: A Fresh Look at the Evidence​

Published on Mar 1, 2016

https://store.catholicproductions.com… In this video, Dr. Brant Pitre discusses the so-called brethren of Jesus, and asks the fundamental question as to whether or not – given both the biblical evidence and the early Church fathers – the gospels speak of biological brothers of Jesus or not. He will also explain who these so called brothers were and the positions they held in the early Church.
 
Seen it a while back. But he doesn’t really address the fact that Eusebius cites Hegessipus from the second century, who believed they were uterine, or that “sister” in the Greek only has two meanings (I read it in a comment in the comments section of the video posted by someone).
 
You might also find this interesting from EWTN:

“There are a couple good reasons not to view Mary the wife of Clopas as the sister of Mary, the Mother of the Lord. For one thing, it would be odd for sisters to have the same name. Furthermore, the Gospel of St. Mark records three women present at the Cross with the Blessed Mother…. If the three women of the Johannine account are those of the Markan account, then the reference to ‘his mother’s sister’ may refer to Salome, not Mary the wife of Clopas. As to why the Gospel of St. John does not identify Salome by name, such would be consistent with other members of the family of our Lord who remain nameless in this Gospel: his mother, the disciple whom Jesus loved (St. John, who would be related as a cousin), and Salome.”
  • Fr. John Echert (08-04-2001), EWTN Catholic Q&A (Question from Kelli on 07-29-2001)
 
Once again, @RaisedCatholic, you are repeating the same fake news. Hegesippus wrote nothing at all about the “brothers and sisters” being Mary’s sons and daughters.

And another thing. Are you basing your argument on the claim that a certain Greek noun has a very narrow semantic range, and then quoting as your source for this information “a comment in the comments section of the video posted by someone”? Seriously?
 
No, I am basing it on the fact that the NT was written in Greek, and the specific Greek word for “sister” (adelphe) in both the NT and the Septuagint only has two meanings, and non-uterine female relative is not one of them. The comment below Brant Pitre’s video only reinforces this.

Adelphe - Strong’s Concordance

Again, this is simply from a particular Protestant’s perspective, but not challenging anything.
 
Hegessipus referred to Jesus’ brothers as descendants of David “according to the flesh” which is an idiom for biological brothers. I have Eusebius’ Church History and have read all 10 books (including the boring parts!). LOL!
 
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the specific Greek word for “sister” (adelphe) in both the NT and the Septuagint only has two meanings, and non-uterine female relative is not one of them.
Source, please? There are grounds for believing that Hegesippus, for one, thinks the feminine noun adelphé can cover a wider range of meanings than that.
 
“according to the flesh” which is an idiom for biological brothers.
No, not necessarily.
I have Eusebius’ Church History and have read all 10 books (including the boring parts!). LOL!
You didn’t read it carefully enough. Look again at this passage (p.237 in the Loeb edition, link below) and you will see that Hegesippus says nothing at all about any sons and daughters of Mary other than Jesus.

 
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I could say the same thing about you, but that would be a subjective accusation. And I have read it in both translations (Maier and Cruse) and it is clear Hegessipus believed they were uterine, by using the same phrase Paul did when he referred to Jesus as being a “Seed” or descendant of David “according to the flesh.” This is just an area we will have to agree to disagree.
 
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Yes, I accept that we will have to agree to disagree. Nevertheless, it would be helpful if you would clearly indicate that your reading of Hegesippus’ words is one possible interpretation of them, among several equally possible interpretations, rather than the only possible interpretation, which is what you seem to be asserting in post after post on this thread.
 
it is clear Hegessipus believed they were uterine, by using the same phrase Paul did when he referred to Jesus as being a “Seed” or descendant of David “according to the flesh.”
But he doesn’t really address the fact that Eusebius cites Hegessipus from the second century, who believed they were uterine, or that “sister” in the Greek only has two meanings (I read it in a comment in the comments section of the video posted by someone).
So, just a couple of things, you say in your comment , it is clear and it is a fact that Hegssipus believed. Fact is a strong word. If it is true that Hegissipus said this, and I have my doubts since we are just going by a comment in a comment section on a youtube video so many centuries later, proves absolutely nothing, because it doesn’t mean he continued in that belief. We do not know if being corrected, shown where he was wrong or had better information later, what he may have believed. Being that he is a Catholic saint, (which does not mean perfect), and he fought against heresies, he was obviously faithful to the Church. If he we had the opportunity to speak with him today, again because of his faithfulness to the Church, I am pretty sure he would follow what has been set down as dogma since he apparently believed that it was the Catholic church being led by the Holy Spirit.

Also St. Hegissipus, was a member of the Catholic church but not the Pope or the Magisterium, so even if he did continue to believe that he would be wrong, because he would not have been the one given the authority to make the final conclusion of what is true. That is left to the Church.

When saying this Saint thought this or this Saint thought that back when, does not ever change what the Church teaches when definining dogmatic truths. It is the Church that makes the final decision as it is being led by the Father.

Just like earthly fathers make the final decision for their children and the children may not completely understand or even like what they are being told, they are to be obedient. The same applies to us. We may not understand but we walk by faith trusting God.

From Scott Hahn:

a dogma is a truth pertaining to faith or morals that has been revealed by God, transmitted from the Apostles in the Scriptures or by Tradition, defined by the Church, and which the faithful are bound to believe. The Church’s Magisterium—the pope and the bishops in union with him—has been entrusted by the Holy Spirit to preserve, protect, and proclaim God’s revelation in the world. There are four of these dogmas: Mary’s Immaculate Conception; Mary’s title and role as “Mother of God”; Mary’s Assumption into Heaven; and Mary’s Perpetual Virginity.


God bless
 
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it would be helpful if you would clearly indicate that your reading of Hegesippus’ words is one possible interpretation of them, among several equally possible interpretations, rather than the only possible interpretation
I would hope that after nearly 2,000 years of debate on this topic that everyone could agree that:
  1. The Catholic view is based on Catholic Tradition (big “T”).
  2. The Catholic view is generally (but not always) rejected by those that deny the authority or validity of Catholic Tradition.
  3. That no extant documents can conclusively resolve the dispute (or the dispute would have been resolved by now.)
So why not all agree that there are different viewpoints and interpretations? (Which I think is at least part of what @BartholomewB is saying.)
 
I would hope that after nearly 2,000 years of debate on this topic
Except that what debate there was from the beginning of the second century had pretty much been silenced by around the fourth, and then didn’t come up again in any significant amount until after the Reformation in the 16th.
That no extant documents can conclusively resolve the dispute (or the dispute would have been resolved by now.)
I would also point out that by this time positions on all sides have perhaps become so entrenched that NO document would be universally accepted as conclusively resolving this or many other disputes, regardless of whether they would have done so in a less contentious time.
 
Public Revelation i.e. everything in the Deposit of Faith began with Adam and ended with the death of St. John, the last Apostle.
 
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