Jesus (A.S) in Islam and His returning Evidences

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I am quoting the Koran verse that allegedly regards Jesus’ return as a clear sign of the Hour:

Surah 43.61 And most surely it is a knowledge of the hour, therefore have no doubt about it and follow me: this is the right path.

This is the plain verse purified from the brackets inserted by people who deliberately distort their own Scripture! Although many Muslim commentators surprisingly discover Jesus here, their discovery is to no avail because this verse and the whole chapter belong to the period when Mohammad had taught his followers nothing about Jesus’ death or supposed assumption. Since this verse - Mecca period - precedes the verses - Medina period - denying Jesus’ crucifixion and teaching His assumption, it would be impossible for the one devising this sentence to have Jesus in mind while talking about the signs of the Hour. 😃
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The subject of Jesus' return to earth has been of great interest in the world in recent weeks. In order to learn the truth of this matter, one of course needs to study the signs in the Qur'an.

There is important evidence in the Qur'an regarding the second coming of Jesus. This may be set out as follows:

1. "... I will place the people who follow you above those who are unbelievers until the Day of Resurrection..."

The first verse indicating Jesus' return is given below:

When God said: "Jesus, I will take you back and raise you up to Me, and purify you of those who are unbelievers. And I will place the people who follow you above those who are unbelievers until the Day of Resurrection. Then you will all return to Me, and I will judge between you regarding the things about which you differed. (Qur'an, 3:55) 

God mentions that a group of Jesus' true followers will dominate the unbelievers until the Day of Resurrection. Jesus did not have many followers during his tenure on Earth and, with his ascension, the religion that he had brought degenerated rapidly. Over the next two centuries, those who believed in Jesus were oppressed because they had no political power. Therefore, we cannot say that the early Christians dominated the unbelievers in the sense indicated by the verse given above. 

At present, Christianity is so far removed from its original state that it no longer resembles the religion taught by Jesus. In this case, "And I will place the people who follow you above those who are unbelievers until the Day of Resurrection" carries a clear message: There has to be a group of Jesus' followers who will exist until the Last Day. Such a group will emerge in his second coming, and those who follow him at that time will dominate the unbelievers until the Last Day.

2. "There is not one of the People of the Book who will not believe in him before he dies..."

In the Qur'an, we read that:

There is not one of the People of the Book who will not believe in him before he dies; and on the Day of Resurrection he [Jesus] will be a witness against them. (Qur'an, 4:159)

The phrase "there is not one of the People of the Book who will not believe in him before he dies" is very interesting. Some scholars believe that the "him/it" in this verse refers to the Qur'an instead of Jesus, and so understand it to mean that the People of the Book will believe in the Qur'an before they die. However, it is beyond dispute that the same word in the preceding two verses refers to Jesus.

Another point we need to make here has to do with the interpretation of "before he dies." Some believe that this stands for the People of the Book "having faith in Jesus before their own death." According to this view, everyone from the People of the Book will definitely believe in Jesus before he or she dies. But so far, millions of the People of the Book have lived and died without ever believing in Jesus. Therefore, the verse does not speak of the death of this group, but rather of the death of Jesus. In the end, the reality revealed by the Qur'an is this: "Before Jesus dies, all People of the Book will believe in him." 

This can only be possible with the return to Earth of Jesus and all the People of the Book having faith in him during this second life. That is in fact the promise in the hadiths. (Only God knows for certain.)

3. "He is a Sign of the Hour..."

In the Qur'an, we are informed of Jesus' return to Earth. This verse states that Jesus is a sign of the Hour:

He [Jesus] is a Sign of the Hour. Have no doubt about it. But follow me. This is a straight path. (Qur'an, 43:61)

The great scholars of Islam interpret this pronoun as referring to Jesus, an opinion that they base on other Qur'anic verses and hadiths. In his commentary, Elmalili Muhammad Hamdi Yazir writes that:

No doubt he [Jesus] is a sign of the Hour, one that declares that the Hour will come, that the dead will be resurrected and stand up, because the miracle of Jesus' second coming and his miracle of resurrecting the dead, together with his revelation that the dead will rise, prove that the Day of Judgment is real. According to the hadiths, his arrival is a sign of the Last Day. (Elmalili Muhammad Hamdi Yazir, Kuran-i Kerim Tefsiri (Qur'an Tafsir); [www.kuranikerim.com/telmalili/zuhruf.htm](www.kuranikerim.com/telmalili/zuhruf.htm))

Jesus lived six centuries before the Qur'an's revelation. Therefore we cannot consider his first life as a sign of the Day of Judgment. The verse says that Jesus will return toward the end of time or, in other words, during the last period of time before the Day of Judgment. In that context, his return is a sign of the Hour's imminent arrival. (God knows best.)

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  1. “He will teach him the Book and Wisdom, and the Torah and the Gospel.”
The verses 45-48 of Sura 3 reveal that God will teach Jesus the “Book,” the Torah, and the Gospel. Obviously, this book in question is very important. The same expression is also used in the verse given below:

Remember when God said: “Jesus, son of Mary, remember My blessing to you and to your mother when I reinforced you with the Purest Spirit so that you could speak to people in the cradle and when you were fully grown; and when I taught you the Book and Wisdom, and the Torah and the Gospel.” (Qur’an, 5:110)

When we examine how “Book” is used here, we see that it refers to the Qur’an in both cases. The verses reveal that after the Torah, Psalms and the Gospel, the Qur’an is the final divine book. Another verse uses “Book” to denote the Qur’an, after mentioning the Torah and the Gospel. (Qur’an, 3:2-3)

In this case, the Qur’an is the third book that Jesus will be taught. But this will be possible only when he returns to Earth, for he lived 600 years before the Qur’an’s revelation. The hadiths also reveal that Jesus will rule with the Qur’an, not the Gospel, on his second coming. This corresponds with the meaning of the verse. (Allah knows best.)
  1. “The likeness of Jesus in God’s sight is the same as Adam.”
The verse “The likeness of Jesus in God’s sight is the same as Adam.” (Qur’an, 3:59) could also indicate Jesus’ return. Muslim scholars who have written Qur’anic commentaries point out that this verse indicates the fact that both Prophets did not have a father, for God created both of them with the command “Be!” However, the verse could also have another meaning: Just as Adam was sent down to Earth from God’s presence, Jesus could be sent down to Earth from God’s presence during the End Times. (Only God knows for certain.)
  1. “…The day I was born, the day I die, and the day I am raised up again alive…”
Surah Maryam also mentions Jesus’ death in the following verse:

[Jesus said,] “Peace be upon me the day I was born, the day I die, and the day I am raised up again alive.” (Qur’an, 19:33)

When this verse is considered in conjunction with Surah Al Imran verse 55, an important reality emerges: While Surah Al Imran states that Jesus was raised up to God’s presence and does not mention that he died or was killed, Surah Maryam speaks of the day on which he will die. This second death can only be possible after he returns and lives on Earth for a period of time. (Only God knows for certain.)
  1. “… you could speak to people in the cradle and when you were fully grown …”
Another piece of evidence for Jesus’s return is the word kahlaan, used Surat al-Ma’ida 5:110 and Surah Al `Imran 3:46. These verses say:

Remember when God said: “Jesus, son of Mary, remember My blessing to you and to your mother when I reinforced you with the Purest Spirit so that you could speak to people in the cradle and when you were fully grown (kahlaan)…”(Qur’an, 5:110)

He will speak to people in the cradle, and also when fully grown (kahlaan), and will be one of the righteous. (Qur’an, 3:46)

Kahlaan, which is used only in these two verses, only in reference to Jesus, and to express Jesus’ adulthood means “someone between the age of 30 and 50, someone who is no longer young, someone who has reached the perfect age.” Islamic scholars agree that it denotes the age of 35 or above. They base their views on a hadith reported by Ibn ‘Abbas that Jesus was raised up to God’s presence in his early 30s, and that he will live for 40 years when he comes again. Therefore, they suggest that this verse is evidence for Jesus’ return, since his old age will occur following his second coming. (Muhammed Khalil Herras, Fasl al-Maqal fi rafi Isa hayyan wa nuzulihi wa qatlihi ad-Dajjal (Cairo: Maktabat as-Sunnah, 1990), 20.)

In short, the miracle of the second coming of Jesus, revealed in a great many hadiths, is also mentioned in the Qur’an.

Jesus did not die, and will return to Earth again.

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There is important evidence in the Qur’an regarding the second coming of Jesus. This may be set out as follows:
  1. “… I will place the people who follow you above those who are unbelievers until the Day of Resurrection…”
The first verse indicating Jesus’ return is given below:

When God said: "Jesus, I will take you back and raise you up to Me, and purify you of those who are unbelievers. And I will place the people who follow you above those who are unbelievers until the Day of Resurrection. Then you will all return to Me, and I will judge between you regarding the things about which you differed. (Qur’an, 3:55)

God mentions that a group of Jesus’ true followers will dominate the unbelievers until the Day of Resurrection. Jesus did not have many followers during his tenure on Earth and, with his ascension, the religion that he had brought degenerated rapidly. Over the next two centuries, those who believed in Jesus were oppressed because they had no political power. Therefore, we cannot say that the early Christians dominated the unbelievers in the sense indicated by the verse given above.

Muslim scholars pervert the meaning of the verse in question by reading into the text what is not there. This so-called evidence relies on a mistaken presumption that Jesus’ message was different than the teachings of today’s Christianity. Muslims, who are unable to reconcile the basic tenets of Christianity with those of Islam, cling to the assertion that Jesus’ teachings were corrupted.

This is the chain of thought some Muslim scholars follow while explaining the verse quoted above: First, they assert that Jesus’ message was corrupted. Second, they insert this assertion into the explanation of the verse. Finally, they reach the conclusion that Jesus must return in order to teach people his true message once more. In short, Muslim commentators turn this verse into an Islamic prophecy that obligates Jesus to return to the world to accomplish His supposedly incomplete task.

At present, Christianity is so far removed from its original state that it no longer resembles the religion taught by Jesus. In this case, “And I will place the people who follow you above those who are unbelievers until the Day of Resurrection” carries a clear message: There has to be a group of Jesus’ followers who will exist until the Last Day. Such a group will emerge in his second coming, and those who follow him at that time will dominate the unbelievers until the Last Day.

Here the allegations referring to Jesus’ failure to teach and firmly establish the Islamic doctrines lead to the new hypothesis that Jesus must return for a second chance. If one reading the verse without resorting to the Islamic allegations can readily see that the Koran talks of two groups only – those who follow Jesus and those who do not believe in Him. Therefore, the current interpretation of the verse that compels Muslims to believe in the existence of the third group of people – Jesus’ true followers in addition to His untrue followers – is erroneous. This accordingly cancels the necessity for Jesus’ return so that a new group of true believers can come to existence before the day of judgment.
  1. “There is not one of the People of the Book who will not believe in him before he dies…”
In the Qur’an, we read that:

There is not one of the People of the Book who will not believe in him before he dies; and on the Day of Resurrection he [Jesus] will be a witness against them. (Qur’an, 4:159)

The phrase “there is not one of the People of the Book who will not believe in him before he dies” is very interesting. Some scholars believe that the “him/it” in this verse refers to the Qur’an instead of Jesus, and so understand it to mean that the People of the Book will believe in the Qur’an before they die. However, it is beyond dispute that the same word in the preceding two verses refers to Jesus.

This illustrates that Muslim scholars cannot concur on the interpretation of a simple verse and choose to follow their personal desires while trying to explain the vague referents in the Koran.

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Another point we need to make here has to do with the interpretation of “before he dies.” Some believe that this stands for the People of the Book “having faith in Jesus before their own death.” According to this view, everyone from the People of the Book will definitely believe in Jesus before he or she dies. But so far, millions of the People of the Book have lived and died without ever believing in Jesus. Therefore, the verse does not speak of the death of this group, but rather of the death of Jesus. In the end, the reality revealed by the Qur’an is this: “Before Jesus dies, all People of the Book will believe in him.”

This is one of the most interesting speculations concerning the identity of the pronoun “He” in the verse. This speculation is derived from the idea that this verse needs a new interpretation because the Islamic promise that “every person of the Book will believe in Jesus before his death” has not been fulfilled yet. This updated interpretation, however, leads us to the uncanny assertion that all the dead people of the Book will have to rise so that they can encounter Jesus alive and believe in Him before He dies! In other words, the people of the Book will experience bodily resurrection to believe in Jesus, who will die while His adversaries come back to life to believe in Him!

This can only be possible with the return to Earth of Jesus and all the People of the Book having faith in him during this second life. That is in fact the promise in the hadiths. (Only God knows for certain.)

Here the writer of the article makes use of Hadiths to support the updated interpretation of the verse. Nevertheless, these efforts are to no avail because Jesus in the Koran states that Allah caused Him to die while assuming Him to heaven:

5.117 I did not say to them aught save what Thou didst enjoin me with: That serve Allah, my Lord and your Lord, and I was a witness of them so long as I was among them, but when Thou didst cause me to die, Thou wert the watcher over them, and Thou art witness of all things.

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  1. “He is a Sign of the Hour…”
In the Qur’an, we are informed of Jesus’ return to Earth. This verse states that Jesus is a sign of the Hour:

He [Jesus] is a Sign of the Hour. Have no doubt about it. But follow me. This is a straight path. (Qur’an, 43:61)

The great scholars of Islam interpret this pronoun as referring to Jesus, an opinion that they base on other Qur’anic verses and hadiths. In his commentary, Elmalili Muhammad Hamdi Yazir writes that:

No doubt he [Jesus] is a sign of the Hour, one that declares that the Hour will come, that the dead will be resurrected and stand up, because the miracle of Jesus’ second coming and his miracle of resurrecting the dead, together with his revelation that the dead will rise, prove that the Day of Judgment is real. According to the hadiths, his arrival is a sign of the Last Day. (Elmalili Muhammad Hamdi Yazir, Kuran-i Kerim Tefsiri (Qur’an Tafsir)

First of all, this verse posted above is not a standardized version since Muslim scholars have not reached a consensus on the gender of the personal pronoun yet. This is why in another Koran version we read:

[43.61] And most surely it is a knowledge of the hour, therefore have no doubt about it and follow me: this is the right path.

Interestingly, another Koran version omits the personal pronoun from this sentence:

43:61. And lo! verily there is knowledge of the Hour. So doubt ye not concerning it, but follow Me. This is the right path. (al-sunnah.com/call_to_islam/quran/pickthall/surah43.html)

Jesus lived six centuries before the Qur’an’s revelation. Therefore we cannot consider his first life as a sign of the Day of Judgment. The verse says that Jesus will return toward the end of time or, in other words, during the last period of time before the Day of Judgment. In that context, his return is a sign of the Hour’s imminent arrival. (God knows best.)

As I previously stated, it is implausible to claim that the personal pronoun in 43:61 refers to Jesus as the sign of the Hour because this chapter was written prior to Mohammad’s adoption of the Gnostic heresy denying Jesus’ crucifixion and death. The Islamic teaching that Jesus escaped death through divine intervention and assumption was an innovation unknown in the Mecca period of the Koran. What Muslims today do is to reinterpret an obscure verse of an earlier period of the Koran in the light of another obscure verse of a later period with the help of Hadiths reiterating the Christian tenets about Jesus’ second coming.

I shall try to explain through an analogy. Suppose that a person living in the 15th century wrote :”It is a means of communication”. While trying to figure out what that pronoun (IT) referred to – which means of communication -, someone contends that the owner of the utterance meant e-mail or messenger service. Muslims insisting that the referent in the verse is Jesus do something similar.
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  1. “He will teach him the Book and Wisdom, and the Torah and the Gospel.”
The verses 45-48 of Sura 3 reveal that God will teach Jesus the “Book,” the Torah, and the Gospel. Obviously, this book in question is very important. The same expression is also used in the verse given below:

Remember when God said: “Jesus, son of Mary, remember My blessing to you and to your mother when I reinforced you with the Purest Spirit so that you could speak to people in the cradle and when you were fully grown; and when I taught you the Book and Wisdom, and the Torah and the Gospel.” (Qur’an, 5:110)

When we examine how “Book” is used here, we see that it refers to the Qur’an in both cases. The verses reveal that after the Torah, Psalms and the Gospel, the Qur’an is the final divine book. Another verse uses “Book” to denote the Qur’an, after mentioning the Torah and the Gospel. (Qur’an, 3:2-3)

This allegation can be readily rebutted with a number of reasons. First, this misunderstanding results from the commitment of the logical fallacy named hasty generalization. Although the word Book sometimes pertains to the Islamic Scripture as in verses 3:2-3, it is impossible to expect it to mean Koran in every other case. For instance, the Koran recurrently employs the phrase “People of the Book” while referring to Jews and Christians (3:64). The word Book or Scripture by no means refers to the Koran in these cases.

Moreover, in the verses below the word Book is used as a deictic expression the sense of which is determined by the help of the context:

19:12. (And it was said unto his son): O John! Hold fast the Book. And we gave him wisdom when a child.

19:30. He spake: Lo! I am the slave of Allah. He hath given me the Book and hath appointed me a Prophet.

28:43. And We verily gave the Book unto Moses after We had destroyed the generations of old

Second, the writer of the article relies on the Islamic tenet that the Koran is the final revelation after the Gospel, the Psalms being the second. However, the verse he quotes to support his argument does not have the so-called second book named Psalms among the books taught to Jesus by Allah!

Third, construing the word Book in 3:45-48 and 5:110 as the final revelation (Koran) is the consequence of wishful thinking because those verses ignore the correct order of the Books supposedly given by Allah as taught by Muslims. Thus, in those verses the Book precedes both the Torah and the Gospel and is separated from the pair of books (Torah and the Gospel), forming another pair with the word Wisdom. Since the Koran states that it was revealed after the Torah and Gospel (3:2-3), it is impossible for the Book - appearing in those verses before the Torah and Gospel - to mean the Koran.

Finally, the Koran talks of “the Book” in several places along with the word Wisdom (as in the verses quoted) and apparently means the general notion of divine revelation or teaching (an abstraction), not a certain book of revelation:

45.16 And certainly We gave **the Book and the wisdom **and the prophecy to the children of Israel, and We gave them of the goodly things, and We made them excel the nations.

57.25 Certainly We sent Our apostles with clear arguments, and sent down with them the Book and the balance that men may conduct themselves with equity.

3.81] And when Allah made a covenant through the prophets: Certainly what I have given you of Book and wisdom.

4.54] Or do they envy the people for what Allah has given them of His grace? But indeed We have given to Ibrahim’s children the Book and the wisdom, and We have given them a grand kingdom.

[6.89] These are they to whom We gave **the book and the wisdom **and the prophecy; therefore if these disbelieve in it We have already entrusted with it a people who are not disbelievers in it.

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In this case, the Qur’an is the third book that Jesus will be taught. But this will be possible only when he returns to Earth, for he lived 600 years before the Qur’an’s revelation. The hadiths also reveal that Jesus will rule with the Qur’an, not the Gospel, on his second coming. This corresponds with the meaning of the verse. (Allah knows best.)

This faulty assumption deliberately ignores the fact that the promises given by Allah to Jesus (that He will teach Him the Torah and the Gospel, that He will speak in the cradle, etc… ) were already fulfilled when Jesus was on earth. The verses 3:45-48 predicts the things to occur during Jesus’ first prophetic ministry while the verse 5:110 refers to the same period in the form of flashback. There is nothing either implicit or explicit in these verses to make one believe that those predictions concern Jesus’ second coming!
  1. “The likeness of Jesus in God’s sight is the same as Adam.”
The verse “The likeness of Jesus in God’s sight is the same as Adam.” (Qur’an, 3:59) could also indicate Jesus’ return. Muslim scholars who have written Qur’anic commentaries point out that this verse indicates the fact that both Prophets did not have a father, for God created both of them with the command “Be!” However, the verse could also have another meaning: Just as Adam was sent down to Earth from God’s presence, Jesus could be sent down to Earth from God’s presence during the End Times. (Only God knows for certain.)

This is a funny speculation indeed! Muslims are good at both stretching analogies and ignoring the context of some verses.

3:59. Lo! the likeness of Jesus with Allah is as the likeness of Adam. **He created him of dust, then He said unto him: Be! and he is. **

The part of the Koran verse missing from this quote restricts the similarity between Jesus and Adam to their creation. It is also clear from the context that this verse was written as a response to Christians disputing with Mohammad about Jesus’ father and His miraculous birth. Besides, the far-fetched similarities between Adam and Jesus fail because Adam was sent from heaven to the earth just once and as a result of his sin. Nothing of the sort can be said about Jesus!
  1. “…The day I was born, the day I die, and the day I am raised up again alive…”
Surah Maryam also mentions Jesus’ death in the following verse:

[Jesus said,] “Peace be upon me the day I was born, the day I die, and the day I am raised up again alive.” (Qur’an, 19:33)

When this verse is considered in conjunction with Surah Al Imran verse 55, an important reality emerges: While Surah Al Imran states that Jesus was raised up to God’s presence and does not mention that he died or was killed, Surah Maryam speaks of the day on which he will die. This second death can only be possible after he returns and lives on Earth for a period of time. (Only God knows for certain.)

So the writer of this article believes that Jesus died once and that he will come to the world for the second death? Besides, verse 5:117 clearly states that Jesus died when Allah took Him up. If the teaching that Jesus has not died yet is true, then Jesus must be looking for poor people in Paradise now so as to give them almsgiving:

19:31. And hath made me blessed wheresoever I may be, and hath enjoined upon me prayer and almsgiving so long as I remain alive.

Interestingly, the expression used by Jesus while talking of His death and resurrection in chapter 19 (Maryam) is the same as the one used for John the Baptist :

19:15. Peace on him the day he was born, and the day he dieth and the day he shall be raised alive!

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  1. “… you could speak to people in the cradle and when you were fully grown …”
Another piece of evidence for Jesus’s return is the word kahlaan, used Surat al-Ma’ida 5:110 and Surah Al `Imran 3:46. These verses say:

Remember when God said: “Jesus, son of Mary, remember My blessing to you and to your mother when I reinforced you with the Purest Spirit so that you could speak to people in the cradle and when you were fully grown (kahlaan)…”(Qur’an, 5:110)

He will speak to people in the cradle, and also when fully grown (kahlaan), and will be one of the righteous. (Qur’an, 3:46)

Kahlaan, which is used only in these two verses, only in reference to Jesus, and to express Jesus’ adulthood means “someone between the age of 30 and 50, someone who is no longer young, someone who has reached the perfect age.” Islamic scholars agree that it denotes the age of 35 or above. They base their views on a hadith reported by Ibn ‘Abbas that Jesus was raised up to God’s presence in his early 30s, and that he will live for 40 years when he comes again. Therefore, they suggest that this verse is evidence for Jesus’ return, since his old age will occur following his second coming. (Muhammed Khalil Herras, Fasl al-Maqal fi rafi Isa hayyan wa nuzulihi wa qatlihi ad-Dajjal (Cairo: Maktabat as-Sunnah, 1990), 20.)

The so-called evidence comes from the combination of a certain assumption in the Hadiths with the specific words denoting adulthood in the verse, but the Koran remains silent on the issue of Jesus’ age. Since it is impossible to find in the Koran how old Jesus was when He was raised up, it is impossible to conclude that Jesus was taken up before reaching adulthood and thus the fulfillment of the prophecy was inevitably forwarded in time.

Above all, the Koran verse in question never distinguishes the period of Jesus’ speaking to people in the cradle from the period of His speaking to them when fully grown. This again makes it clear that the Koran does not support the claim that Jesus will come down and have a second prophetic ministry.

In short, the miracle of the second coming of Jesus, revealed in a great many hadiths, is also mentioned in the Qur’an.

Jesus did not die, and will return to Earth again.

In short, the Koran does not teach that Jesus will come back from heaven on the day of Judgment. However, we believe that Jesus died, rose on the third day, ascended into Heaven, is seated at the right hand of the Father. He will come again in glory to judge the living and the dead, and His kingdom will have no end.

Tomshaikh, may I ask you a personal question? Are you Turkish? I am asking this question on the basis of your many references to Turkish sources. 🙂
 
All of your “evidence” comes from a false book inspired by the devil. How can something false be evidence?
 
Angelos said:
Tomshaikh, may I ask you a personal question? Are you Turkish? I am asking this question on the basis of your many references to Turkish sources. 🙂
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First of all i would like to thank you for your time to answer my many references and read those. Secondly i am not Turkish. I ordered one CD named MIRACLES OF THE QURAN from some islamic website and got to know this turkish site which make sense to me and interesting and knowledgeable. So i thought i share with you all guyz. I am Indian.
 
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I am blushing here 😊
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Oh my friend, no need to blush.
You are one of the lucky ones that has found the road to true salvation. And your defense and wisdom of the faith will be rewarded by God, especially since you do it all with grace and such intelligence.
Keep up the good work, i only wish i had an ounce of your knowledge!
God bless you
 
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First of all i would like to thank you for your time to answer my many references and read those. Secondly i am not Turkish. I ordered one CD named MIRACLES OF THE QURAN from some islamic website and got to know this turkish site which make sense to me and interesting and knowledgeable. So i thought i share with you all guyz. I am Indian.
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OK. Thanks for answering my question. Peace to you and your beloved ones. 🙂
 
Angelos said:
I am quoting the Koran verse that allegedly regards Jesus’ return as a clear sign of the Hour:

Surah 43.61 And most surely it is a knowledge of the hour, therefore have no doubt about it and follow me: this is the right path.

This is the plain verse purified from the brackets inserted by people who deliberately distort their own Scripture! Although many Muslim commentators surprisingly discover Jesus here, their discovery is to no avail because this verse and the whole chapter belong to the period when Mohammad had taught his followers nothing about Jesus’ death or supposed assumption. Since this verse - Mecca period - precedes the verses - Medina period - denying Jesus’ crucifixion and teaching His assumption, it would be impossible for the one devising this sentence to have Jesus in mind while talking about the signs of the Hour. 😃
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Is that so. Funnily enough when you quote that verse in context a different picture emerges…

And when the son of Mary is quoted as an example, behold! the people raise a clamour thereat,
And say: Are our gods better, or is he? They raise the objection only for the sake of argument. Verily they are a contentious folk.
He is nothing but a slave on whom We bestowed favour, and We made him a example for the Children of Israel.
And had We willed We could have set among you angels to be viceroys in the earth.
And verily he is a sign of the Hour. So don’t ye doubt concerning it, but follow Me. This is the right path.
And let not Satan turn you aside. Verily he is an open enemy for you.
When Jesus came with clear proofs, he said: I have come unto you with wisdom, and to make plain some of that concerning which you differ. So keep your duty to God, and obey me.
Surely God is my Lord and your Lord. So worship Him. This is a right path.
But the factions among them differed. Then woe unto those who do wrong from the doom of a painful day.
Do they only wait for the Hour, that it shall come upon them suddenly, when they do not know not? (43:57-66)

Sorry, I don’t know whether that came from you deliberately lying or you were just arrogant enough to speak without even checking your facts, but I’ve really lost all interest in continuing this discussion with you now. You clearly have no idea what you’re talking about, at best.
 
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