Jesus alone is Immaculate?

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Regarding the Immaculate Conception, I found a few quotes that seem to support the idea that only Jesus can be regarded as Immaculate. Consider the following:

St. Augustine: “Whatever flesh of sin Jesus took, He took of the flesh of the sin of his mother. Jesus did not partake of sin, but took of his mother, which came under the judgment of sin.”

Pope Leo 1 (A.D. 440):
  1. “ The Lord Jesus Christ alone among the sons of men was born immaculate.”(sermon 24 in Nativ. Dom.)
  2. “It belongs alone to the immaculate lamb to have no sin at all.” (Gellasii papae dicta, vol. 4, col 1241, Paris, 1671)
Does not the idea that Mary “came under the judgment of sin” conflict with Church teaching?

God bless,

Chris
 
As I understand the doctrine of the Immaculate Conception, Mary as are we all, was subject to Original Sin, but was preserved from it in order to bear Jesus. She was given this grace through the merits of Jesus and for no other reason. Jesus also died for His mother, she, however, received His cleansing grace before she was born in order that she could be pure, as the Ark of the Covenant.

I think what was being said in the quote is that Jesus alone was without sin, as God is without sin, because of who He is and not through the grace of another. Mary, on the other hand was completely human and therefore was subject to the sin of Adam and Eve the same as any other human. Her Immaculate Conception is a sort of prequel to the grace we all receive through Jesus because of His life, death and resurrection.
 
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I think what was being said in the quote is that Jesus alone was without sin, as God is without sin, because of who He is and not through the grace of another. Mary, on the other hand was completely human and therefore was subject to the sin of Adam and Eve the same as any other human. Her Immaculate Conception is a sort of prequel to the grace we all receive through Jesus because of His life, death and resurrection.
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This passage, particularly the bolded text, helps distinguish between Jesus’ “sinless by nature” and Mary’s “sinless by grace”. Thanks for the help.

God bless,

Chris
 
Mary’s conception was fundamentally different than Jesus’ conception. Mary’s conception was a “structure” of (1) being subject to Original Sin, but (2) being preserved from it, by the grace won on the cross.

Probably, the “touching” of Jesus’ divinity to an Original-Sin-tainted ova within Mary would have destroyed the ova, and Mary, the same way looking directly at God would have killed Moses. See Exodus 33:20. Consequently, a process was necessary to protect Mary, and Jesus’ ova, from the special presence, within the womb, of sheer divinity.

Jesus Himself required no such protection.

That is the difference between them.
 
I’ve heard this idea before, and while it makes a lot of sense, someone pointed out an opposing argument that also makes sense: do you not think that Jesus, in all of His divine wisdom, could protect Mary from destruction even if she was tainted by Original Sin?

God bless,

Chris
 
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Thepeug:
I’ve heard this idea before, and while it makes a lot of sense, someone pointed out an opposing argument that also makes sense: do you not think that Jesus, in all of His divine wisdom, could protect Mary from destruction even if she was tainted by Original Sin?

God bless,

Chris
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Of course. Jesus was and is divine.

Do you not think that Jesus, in all of His divine wisdom, could have saved us in some other way than His passion and crucifixion?

Of course. Jesus was and is divine.

He did what was fitting and proper.

Peace in Christ…Salmon
 
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Thepeug:
I’ve heard this idea before, and while it makes a lot of sense, someone pointed out an opposing argument that also makes sense: do you not think that Jesus, in all of His divine wisdom, could protect Mary from destruction even if she was tainted by Original Sin?

God bless,

Chris
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If Mary was “tainted” by the STAIN of Original Sin, then she would not be the Woman who was the enemy of Satan.

MaggieOH
 
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Salmon:
Do you not think that Jesus, in all of His divine wisdom, could have saved us in some other way than His passion and crucifixion?
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Good point.
 
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