Jesus and Mary

[adstrinity]

This is all hypothesis and speculative unless somebody knows of an approved apparition where this was discussed.

Mary is sinless and Jesus is perfect. That being said, do you think, Jesus ever, as a child, either before the age of reason or after, frustrated His Mother? Do you think that He, from just being an energetic little child, running around all day, caused OBM to lose her temper? Do you think She grew frustrated with Him because She would have to repeat the same thing over and over and over…and over and over again to teach Him and, maybe, just maybe, He wasn’t, as children don’t, catch on right away? Do you think He resisted potty training?

…Am I thinking too much like a 20th Century person with all this?

I’m thinking of when Jesus was a child. We know Jesus was in the Temple (He wasn’t told NOT to be…and He wasn’t told, as far as we know, that His family was leaving), and therefore, neither He nor His Mother sinned in that regard. I know that Jesus was human in every way, and Mary is perfect as is Jesus, so, as far as obeying His Mother is concerned, and as far as Her patience and human tolerance goes, how do you see this happening?

Ta muchly.

 

[LilyM]

I don’t believe that either He or she were sinfully angry, ever - it is abundantly clear that both were without sin.

Now Jesus probably acted like a normal kid who sometimes does annoying things without realising that may be sinful (like the rest of us, He ‘grew in grace and wisdom’ as He got older).

And He certainly caused Our Lady and St Joseph grief (remember the ticking off she gave Him when they found Him in the Temple?) but that was a reasonable rebuke and not sinful or excessive - I mean a twelve year old in the big city should probably know better than to wander away from His parents, right?

And they didn’t know at the time that He had a specific mission to fulfil in so doing. Apart from being His first public revelation that God and not Joseph was His father, it prefigured His passion - where once again He would be ‘lost’ in Jerusalem at Passover and ‘found’ again three days later.

 

[Christy_Beth]

I don’t think that Mary ever got angry with him. I think the scene in the temple showed her fear for his safety. She and Joseph had been looking for him for three days. Wouldn’t that scare any parent?

 

[cpayne]

A verse somewhere in the NT says, “Be angry, but sin not.” Evidently it’s possible to become angry without sinning.

 

[T700]

A verse somewhere in the NT says, “Be angry, but sin not.” Evidently it’s possible to become angry without sinning.

Ephesians 4:26-27 RSV

Be angry but do not sin; do not let the sun go down on your anger, and give no opportunity to the devil.

 

[Grace_Angel]

This is all hypothesis and speculative unless somebody knows of an approved apparition where this was discussed.

Mary is sinless and Jesus is perfect. That being said, do you think, Jesus ever, as a child, either before the age of reason or after, frustrated His Mother? Do you think that He, from just being an energetic little child, running around all day, caused OBM to lose her temper? Do you think She grew frustrated with Him because She would have to repeat the same thing over and over and over…and over and over again to teach Him and, maybe, just maybe, He wasn’t, as children don’t, catch on right away? Do you think He resisted potty training?

…Am I thinking too much like a 20th Century person with all this?

I’m thinking of when Jesus was a child. We know Jesus was in the Temple (He wasn’t told NOT to be…and He wasn’t told, as far as we know, that His family was leaving), and therefore, neither He nor His Mother sinned in that regard. I know that Jesus was human in every way, and Mary is perfect as is Jesus, so, as far as obeying His Mother is concerned, and as far as Her patience and human tolerance goes, how do you see this happening?

Ta muchly.

Hello Adstrinity,
I often think of these things also. Buts its interesting on this morning (her in Australia) I was thinking that Mary’s state of being must have been like a child/and infant, without guile, and without knowledge of how to sin. I kept thinking of the image of a beautiful child and the images of Mary and they are alike. We are also told in the Gospel that unless we :“become like children we cannot ener into the Kingdom” Its the innocence that is lost through the originating sin of first parents. The kind of sin which removes wonder, awe, lack of malice, no guile, inocence.
Anyway these are just thoughts.
GraceAngel.

 

[adstrinity]

Thank you to all who have replied and keep the answers coming!

I was thinking about this question yesterday at Mass, too. A baby was going, “Ahhh! Ahhh! Ahhh! Ahhh!” throughout the homily, not complaining about anything but rather making noise because the baby knew he or she had that ability. It made me wonder if Jesus did this at the temple or synagogue. Just screaming as a baby during a reading from The Book of Wisdom or something, or, would God as a baby be more respectful during a Scripture reading?

 

[CB_Catholic]

Thank you to all who have replied and keep the answers coming!

I was thinking about this question yesterday at Mass, too. A baby was going, “Ahhh! Ahhh! Ahhh! Ahhh!” throughout the homily, not complaining about anything but rather making noise because the baby knew he or she had that ability. It made me wonder if Jesus did this at the temple or synagogue. Just screaming as a baby during a reading from The Book of Wisdom or something, or, would God as a baby be more respectful during a Scripture reading?

I think Jesus grew and developed just like any other child, learned to walk and talk and go to the potty like everyone else, and He probably was just as curious as any other child, played like the others, and got into His share of mischief. And, like any other child, he had to be taught what children are taught. He was, after all, human, and the Gospels give us a picture of a man who got tired, hungry, frustrated, depressed, hurt, sad, and even angry at times, as well as loving, compassionate, wise, humble, and holy. But unlike us, He did not sin. He experienced the full range of human feelings and emotions just like us, except that He did not allow any of these to lead Him into sin. He was, in fact, fully human, more fully human in the way God intended us to be than any of us are. He showed us how to be human the way we were created to be.

And I believe Mary experienced the same things any Mother and wife does. She had to bathe Him, feed Him, change His poopy diapers, run after Him to keep Him safe, clean up His childish messes, stay up at night to take care of the needs of a newborn. She also had to cook and clean, carry water, grind grain, take care of her husband–all the things a normal Jewish housewife had to do. And I am sure she got tired and frustrated at times, too. She is after all, human. But God granted her the grace to live her human life without sinning.

And that is the true beauty of it all–to live a fully human life, to experience all that entails being human without falling into the ugliness of sin.