Jesus as God and intercessor?

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Hi. It is established that Jesus is God, part of the Trinity. We pray to God. There is no one above Him. We can pray only to God. When we pray to the saints, we are actually praying through them asking their intercession before God to grant our petition.

i am currently reading a book (more like a tome:)) The Holy Sacrifice Of The Mass by Nicholas Gihr which has an Imprimatur. Among other things it says Christ presents to the Father the wounds (from His Passion) in order to obtain the Father’s favor for our petitions. This is why Jesus’ glorious, risen body retained these marks.

In addition, the book references John 14:16 which never particularly struck me before. John 14:16 states: (Douay-Rheims Bible) bible.cc/john/14-16.htm
“And I will ask the Father, and he shall give you another Paraclete, that he may abide with you for ever.”

It seems that Jesus can act as an intercessor for us.

If Jesus is God and there is no one above Him, why would He need to ask of the Father for anything since this would imply God, the Father is above God, the Son? Are not all parts of the Trinity equal in power and substance?

Can Jesus be both God and intercessor? At the same time for the same petition?

Any help sorting this out is appreciated.👍

Thank you.
 
Jesus is True God and True Man…

464 The unique and altogether singular event of the Incarnation of the Son of God does not mean that Jesus Christ is part God and part man, nor does it imply that he is the result of a confused mixture of the divine and the human. He became truly man while remaining truly God. Jesus Christ is true God and true man.

Read Heb 7:25

From the Catechism:

III. PRAYER OF INTERCESSION

2634 Intercession is a prayer of petition which leads us to pray as Jesus did. He is the one intercessor with the Father on behalf of all men, especially sinners.112 He is "able for all time to save those who draw near to God through him, since he always lives to make intercession for them."113 The Holy Spirit "himself intercedes for us . . . and intercedes for the saints according to the will of God."114

2635 Since Abraham, intercession - asking on behalf of another has been characteristic of a heart attuned to God’s mercy. In the age of the Church, Christian intercession participates in Christ’s, as an expression of the communion of saints. In intercession, he who prays looks “not only to his own interests, but also to the interests of others,” even to the point of praying for those who do him harm.115

2636 The first Christian communities lived this form of fellowship intensely.116 Thus the Apostle Paul gives them a share in his ministry of preaching the Gospel117 but also intercedes for them.118 The intercession of Christians recognizes no boundaries: “for all men, for kings and all who are in high positions,” for persecutors, for the salvation of those who reject the Gospel.119
 
Thank you for information. This proves sufficiently Jesus can be prayed through as an intercessor.

Can Jesus be prayed to as a God?

Can Jesus not be prayed to at the same time in the same prayer as an intercessor and as a God since this would be confusing His two natures?

i’m trying to come full circle here, making sure i can grasp the entire concept.

Any further help from anyone is appreciated.

Thank you.
 
fulbert4605 said:
Thank you for information. This proves sufficiently Jesus can be prayed through as an intercessor.

Can Jesus be prayed to as a God?

Can Jesus not be prayed to at the same time in the same prayer as an intercessor and as a God since this would be confusing His two natures?

i’m trying to come full circle here, making sure i can grasp the entire concept.

Any further help from anyone is appreciated.

Thank you.
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another good source for you

vatican.va/archive/compendium_ccc/documents/archive_2005_compendium-ccc_en.html#The%20Profession%20of%20the%20Christian%20Faith

Not as “a” God…he is God. (I imagine that is what you meant) Third Person of the Blessed Trinity …so yes!

vatican.va/archive/catechism/p1s2c1p2.htm#II

He is one person (divine) with two natures…

So yes…

From the Catechism:

Jesus hears our prayer

2616 Prayer to Jesus is answered by him already during his ministry, through signs that anticipate the power of his death and Resurrection: Jesus hears the prayer of faith, expressed in words (the leper, Jairus, the Canaanite woman, the good thief)84 or in silence (the bearers of the paralytic, the woman with a hemorrhage who touches his clothes, the tears and ointment of the sinful woman).85 The urgent request of the blind men, “Have mercy on us, Son of David” or “Jesus, Son of David, have mercy on me!” has-been renewed in the traditional prayer to Jesus known as the Jesus Prayer: "Lord Jesus Christ, Son of God, have mercy on me, a sinner!"86 Healing infirmities or forgiving sins, Jesus always responds to a prayer offered in faith: “Your faith has made you well; go in peace.”
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St. Augustine wonderfully summarizes the three dimensions of Jesus' prayer: "He prays for us as our priest, prays in us as our Head, and is prayed to by us as our God. Therefore let us acknowledge our voice in him and his in us."87
I would suggest reading the whole third part of the Catechism…on prayer…it is very rich.

vatican.va/archive/catechism/p4s1.htm just keep hitting the arrow forward as you read…or read it in book form …
 
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