Jesus as "My personal Lord and Savior"

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I was having a conversation with a somewhat friend of mine (who is a self proclaimed know it all) about the Baptism of my newest boy. He said “So your Catholic? You know that wont get you saved. The only way to be saved is to have Jesus as your personal Lord and Savior.” My reply was “You know that the Bible never uses that phrase. Not to say it is not somewhat scriptural but I dont believe it is in there anywhere.” I dont remember ever reading this in the NT am I wrong on this?

I said you know how the Trinity is no where stated in the Bible and he said “Whats the Trinity?” so I ended the conversation. That said I am no a Biblcal scholor but I am trying to learn more day by day…

My problem with the statement is the “MY” part… It seem to be making Jesus belong to me as where we are HIS sheep and belong to him… Does this make since?
This is not saying that you should not have a personal relationship…

Any help would be appreciated

Peace,
DLG
 
Yes, what you said about us being “His sheep” makes sense. I think that what are other christian borthers miss about the “personal” relationship business is that think that the relationship they have with Our Lord, is that our relationship HAS to be the same as theirs. I always say, we are differnt people, so we all respnd to Christ in our own way.
 
It just depends on how you use it in conversation. In church I have heard my Pastor multiple times say “Our personal Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.” When I am talking to someone I say “I have accepted Jesus Christ as my personal Lord and Savior.”

When I say My I don’t mean that he belongs to me instead of me belonging to him. When I say it I mean that I chose to rely on, to love, and to cling to him. I am fully aware that I belong to him and that we are his sheep.
 
If you were the only sinner Jesus would still come for you. Jesus saves each of us very personally. Jesus came to save you and you alone. That does not change the reality that He came to save me and me alone. It does not get any more personal than that.

peace
 
as a former Baptist, I can tell you that it isn’t that He belongs to “me”. It’s like me saying “my friend” Jane…well, I’m also HER friend too. It doesn’t mean it’s a one way relationship or ownership. And other faiths stress having a personal relationship with Jesus because Jesus came to save each and every one of us. That makes it very personal!! My walk with Jesus (to use another phrase) is going to be different than say, my son Xander’s walk with Him. So my relationship with Jesus IS a personal relationship between Him and me. What I “talk” about (pray about) with Jesus is not the same as the next person’s and where I’m at in my faith, how devoted, etc, is also different than the next person’s. This makes it a very personal relationship. Jesus is in my life and my thoughts, my decisions, absolutely everything I do. This is as personal as it gets! Jesus knows me better than anyone has ever known me. I tell Him things no one else knows. This is extremely personal! THAT’S what is meant when faiths say “my personal Lord and Savior.”

Hope this helps clear it up!
 
as a former Baptist, I can tell you that it isn’t that He belongs to “me”. It’s like me saying “my friend” Jane…well, I’m also HER friend too. It doesn’t mean it’s a one way relationship or ownership. And other faiths stress having a personal relationship with Jesus because Jesus came to save each and every one of us. That makes it very personal!! My walk with Jesus (to use another phrase) is going to be different than say, my son Xander’s walk with Him. So my relationship with Jesus IS a personal relationship between Him and me. What I “talk” about (pray about) with Jesus is not the same as the next person’s and where I’m at in my faith, how devoted, etc, is also different than the next person’s. This makes it a very personal relationship. Jesus is in my life and my thoughts, my decisions, absolutely everything I do. This is as personal as it gets! Jesus knows me better than anyone has ever known me. I tell Him things no one else knows. This is extremely personal! THAT’S what is meant when faiths say “my personal Lord and Savior.”

Hope this helps clear it up!
Amen to that! I also always say in conversation with others that I eat His body and drink His blood every every week, and you can’t get any more personal than that!
 
I always found it odd when people accuse Catholics of not “accepting Jesus as their personal Lord and Savior”. I mean, Jesus is the most important person in Catholic teaching, if a person rejects Him they are definitely not Catholic.

I always think as well, “what about all those Baptists, Methodists, Pentacostals, Presbyterians, ect ect ect who deep down also reject Christ?”

I think it’s irrespective of faith community definitely. i think the vast majority of people in pews these days don’t have a faith that is personally impacting on their lives. To accuse one faith community of being guilty of this more than another is silly and ignorant, especially when one has plenty of these types in their own church/flock. I would say the vast majority of people don’t have a belief that truly impacts their lives in a major way, which is sad. We need to pray big time.
 
It just depends on how you use it in conversation. In church I have heard my Pastor multiple times say “Our personal Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.” When I am talking to someone I say “I have accepted Jesus Christ as my personal Lord and Savior.”

When I say My I don’t mean that he belongs to me instead of me belonging to him. When I say it I mean that I chose to rely on, to love, and to cling to him. I am fully aware that I belong to him and that we are his sheep.
@Kristen
Thanks for the reply…
The conversation was in regards to Salvation that this is the ONLY way and my agruement (since his particular church is solo scriptua) that it is not specifically stated in the Bible that this is the only way for salvation. You must do some extrapolating to get to this conclusion in my opinion.
 
My problem with the statement is the “MY” part… It seem to be making Jesus belong to me as where we are HIS sheep and belong to him… Does this make since?
“The Lord is MY shepherd” 🙂
 
as a former Baptist, I can tell you that it isn’t that He belongs to “me”. It’s like me saying “my friend” Jane…well, I’m also HER friend too. It doesn’t mean it’s a one way relationship or ownership. And other faiths stress having a personal relationship with Jesus because Jesus came to save each and every one of us. That makes it very personal!! My walk with Jesus (to use another phrase) is going to be different than say, my son Xander’s walk with Him. So my relationship with Jesus IS a personal relationship between Him and me. What I “talk” about (pray about) with Jesus is not the same as the next person’s and where I’m at in my faith, how devoted, etc, is also different than the next person’s. This makes it a very personal relationship. Jesus is in my life and my thoughts, my decisions, absolutely everything I do. This is as personal as it gets! Jesus knows me better than anyone has ever known me. I tell Him things no one else knows. This is extremely personal! THAT’S what is meant when faiths say “my personal Lord and Savior.”

Hope this helps clear it up!
Sandalwood…
Very good explaination Thanks for that I agree with what you are saying… but
I guess it the way its phrased… I definately get the personal relationship with Jesus but is that the same thing as personal savior? I know in my experience that I was a luke warm Catholic until a tragedy happened in my life and that affected my personal relationship with Jesus but not the fact that his is the Savior of the world. I believe that he came to save each and everyone of us but all I have to do is say that he is my personal Lord and Savior and thats it boom automatic ticket to Heaven is something that I cannot agree with. Is this against the doctrines of the Church?

Peace,
DLG
 
@Kristen
Thanks for the reply…
The conversation was in regards to Salvation that this is the ONLY way and my agruement (since his particular church is solo scriptua) that it is not specifically stated in the Bible that this is the only way for salvation. You must do some extrapolating to get to this conclusion in my opinion.
Jesus teaches that baptism is a condition to being saved;

John 3:3
**Jesus answered and said **to him, “Amen, amen, I say to you, **no one can see the kingdom of God without being born 3 from above.” **
4
Nicodemus said to him, “How can a person once grown old be born again? Surely he cannot reenter his mother’s womb and be born again, can he?”
5
**Jesus answered, "Amen, amen, I say to you, no one can enter the kingdom of God without being born of water and Spirit. **6
What is born of flesh is flesh and what is born of spirit is spirit.
7
Do not be amazed that I told you, ‘You must be born from above.’

The scriptures confirm that baptism saves you NOW.

1Peter 3:20
who had once been disobedient while God patiently waited in the days of Noah during the building of the ark, in which a few persons, eight in all, were saved through water.
21
This prefigured baptism, which saves you now.

From the sacramental graces that come upon the believer from the baptismal waters allows the saved to enter and see the kingdom of God.

Once one has entered the kingdom of God without spot or wrinkle is joined to Christ in a personal living relationship from the biblical principles as bride to husband. This intimate personal relationship of marriage is consumated in the Eucharist when the bride and husband become one flesh. Mystically speaking during communion with Jesus at the altar in heaven witnessed on earth, “on earth as it is in heaven”, Jesus consumes us to himself, not vice versa.

Ephesians describes this personal relationship;

Ephesians 5:23
For the husband is head of his wife just as Christ is head of the church, he himself the savior of the body.
24
As the church is subordinate to Christ, so wives should be subordinate to their husbands in everything.
25
Husbands, love your wives, **even as Christ loved the church and handed himself over for her **
26
to sanctify her, cleansing her by the bath of water with the word,
27
that **he might present to himself the church in splendor, without spot or wrinkle or any such thing, that she might be holy and without blemish. **
28
So (also) husbands should love their wives as their own bodies. He who loves his wife loves himself.
29
For no one hates his own flesh but rather nourishes and cherishes it, even as Christ does the church, **
30
because we are members of his body.
31
"For this reason a man shall leave (his) father and (his) mother and be joined to his wife, and
the two shall become one flesh." **
32
**This is a great mystery, but I speak in reference to Christ and the church. **

It is here were we grow in love and knowledge of him, when the saved begin to “work out your salvation with fear and trembling”, for one cannot begin this path of salvation without first being saved by water and the Word = baptism.

Philipians 2:12 So then, my beloved, obedient as you have always been, not only when I am present but all the more now when I am absent, **work out your salvation with fear and trembling. **

As another poster posted, you can’t get more intimate in a relationship with Jesus when you become one flesh with His in the Eucharist.

This is just an introduction:)
Peace be with you
 
Savior and thats it boom automatic ticket to Heaven is something that I cannot agree with. Is this against the doctrines of the Church?

Peace,
DLG
Yes it is. The Catechism and Vatican II Doctrine explain all this.

But this is speaking from what we as Catholics believe. In other words I’m not up on what everyone is believeing as far as Christian Denominations.

God Bless, Gary
 
I was having a conversation with a somewhat friend of mine (who is a self proclaimed know it all) about the Baptism of my newest boy. He said “So your Catholic? You know that wont get you saved. The only way to be saved is to have Jesus as your personal Lord and Savior.” My reply was “You know that the Bible never uses that phrase. Not to say it is not somewhat scriptural but I dont believe it is in there anywhere.” I dont remember ever reading this in the NT am I wrong on this?

I said you know how the Trinity is no where stated in the Bible and he said “Whats the Trinity?” so I ended the conversation. That said I am no a Biblcal scholor but I am trying to learn more day by day…

My problem with the statement is the “MY” part… It seem to be making Jesus belong to me as where we are HIS sheep and belong to him… Does this make since?
This is not saying that you should not have a personal relationship…

Any help would be appreciated

Peace,
DLG
First, I would say to your friend that Catholic baptism is kind of like a formal introduction to Jesus Christ, OUR Lord and Savior. That without an introduction, how can one ever hope to develop that deep personal relationship? I know this is not entirely accurate from a doctrinal point of view, but it does sort of convey the Catholic perspective on Baptism (as the initiation of the Christian life on a persona level, while at the same time putting the child in right relationship with God and joining him or her to the Church.)

The second thing I would say is that all Christians (Catholic or Otherwise) should consider Christ their own personal Lord and Savior and have a deep personal relationship with Him. The use of “my” from the Protestant circles is something that prickles me too, but I understand that they do not meen it in a self-possessory way, but to stress the personal nature of the relationship. Remember what the Apostle Thomas said,

“My Lord and My God.” I don’t think he meant Christ was only *his *savior. Rather, he meant that Christ was his *only *savior.

Hope my two cents added something here.

Peace,
Robert
 
Sandalwood…
Very good explaination Thanks for that I agree with what you are saying… but
I guess it the way its phrased… I definately get the personal relationship with Jesus but is that the same thing as personal savior? I know in my experience that I was a luke warm Catholic until a tragedy happened in my life and that affected my personal relationship with Jesus but not the fact that his is the Savior of the world. I believe that he came to save each and everyone of us but all I have to do is say that he is my personal Lord and Savior and thats it boom automatic ticket to Heaven is something that I cannot agree with. Is this against the doctrines of the Church?

Peace,
DLG
It’s not that easy, at least as a Baptist. I had to have counsel with my preacher and Sunday school teacher to make sure I understood what I was doing (kind of like a CCD class type of thing). Then I had to be Baptised. I also had communion. At that point, I do believe I could truly say He was my personal Lord AND SAVIOR. I had, with full knowledge, accepted what Jesus Christ did for me on the Cross and with His Resurrection. I mean, He was always my Savior, but I didn’t have the action of my accepting what He did for me, repenting of my sins, and my living a full life in His Saving Grace. I think I am not saying this very well, I hope you can understand what I’m trying to say!!!

It’s not like I was walking down the street and ‘boom!’ automatic ticket because I said He’s my Savior.

Does this make sense?
 
I said you know how the Trinity is no where stated in the Bible and he said “Whats the Trinity?” so I ended the conversation.
Not to get too off topic, but your friend doesn’t believe in the Trinity? What denomination is he, if you don’t mind me asking.
 
Usually this phrase is used in conjunction with the connotation that all you need is a direct line to Jesus. You do not need “organized religion” or a church to be saved.
 
I was having a conversation with a somewhat friend of mine (who is a self proclaimed know it all) about the Baptism of my newest boy. He said “So your Catholic? You know that wont get you saved. The only way to be saved is to have Jesus as your personal Lord and Savior.” My reply was “You know that the Bible never uses that phrase. Not to say it is not somewhat scriptural but I dont believe it is in there anywhere.” I dont remember ever reading this in the NT am I wrong on this?

I said you know how the Trinity is no where stated in the Bible and he said “Whats the Trinity?” so I ended the conversation. That said I am no a Biblcal scholor but I am trying to learn more day by day…

My problem with the statement is the “MY” part… It seem to be making Jesus belong to me as where we are HIS sheep and belong to him… Does this make since?
This is not saying that you should not have a personal relationship…

Any help would be appreciated

Peace,
DLG
tell your friend it’s great for him to have Jesus as his personal Lord and Savior. tell him too that you’ll pray that he has better understanding of God’s ways and not be like God who knows who’s saved and not.🙂
 
Jesus teaches that baptism is a condition to being saved;

John 3:3
**Jesus answered and said **to him, “Amen, amen, I say to you, **no one can see the kingdom of God **without being born 3 from above.”
4
Nicodemus said to him, “How can a person once grown old be born again? Surely he cannot reenter his mother’s womb and be born again, can he?”
5
**Jesus answered, "Amen, amen, I say to you, no one can enter the kingdom of God **without being born of water and Spirit. 6
What is born of flesh is flesh and what is born of spirit is spirit.
7
Do not be amazed that I told you, ‘You must be born from above.’

The scriptures confirm that baptism saves you NOW.

1Peter 3:20
who had once been disobedient while God patiently waited in the days of Noah during the building of the ark, in which a few persons, eight in all, were saved through water.
21
This prefigured baptism, which saves you now.

From the sacramental graces that come upon the believer from the baptismal waters allows the saved to enter and see the kingdom of God.

Once one has entered the kingdom of God without spot or wrinkle is joined to Christ in a personal living relationship from the biblical principles as bride to husband. This intimate personal relationship of marriage is consumated in the Eucharist when the bride and husband become one flesh. Mystically speaking during communion with Jesus at the altar in heaven witnessed on earth, “on earth as it is in heaven”, Jesus consumes us to himself, not vice versa.

Ephesians describes this personal relationship;

Ephesians 5:23
For the husband is head of his wife just as Christ is head of the church, he himself the savior of the body.
24
As the church is subordinate to Christ, so wives should be subordinate to their husbands in everything.
25
Husbands, love your wives, **even as Christ loved the church and handed himself over for her **
26
to sanctify her, cleansing her by the bath of water with the word,
27
that **he might present to himself **the church in splendor, without spot or wrinkle or any such thing, that she might be holy and without blemish.
28
So (also) husbands should love their wives as their own bodies. He who loves his wife loves himself.
29
For no one hates his own flesh but rather nourishes and cherishes it, even as Christ does the church, **
30
because we are members of his body.
31
"For this reason a man shall leave (his) father and (his) mother and be joined to his wife, and
the two shall become one flesh." **
32
**This is a great mystery, but I speak in reference to Christ and the church. **

It is here were we grow in love and knowledge of him, when the saved begin to “work out your salvation with fear and trembling”, for one cannot begin this path of salvation without first being saved by water and the Word = baptism.

Philipians 2:12 So then, my beloved, obedient as you have always been, not only when I am present but all the more now when I am absent, **work out your salvation with fear and trembling. **

As another poster posted, you can’t get more intimate in a relationship with Jesus when you become one flesh with His in the Eucharist.

This is just an introduction:)
Peace be with you
Gabriel…
Great post I will be writing those verses down and try to commit them to memory… I once had a Priest tell me after the passing of my 2 year old son “Do not cry for him he was baptizes 8 months ago and is to young and unable to commit sin. There are no stops for your child on his way to Heaven” This was when I realized the power and beauty of Baptism.

Thanks for the post,
Peace
DLG
 
Yes it is. The Catechism and Vatican II Doctrine explain all this.

But this is speaking from what we as Catholics believe. In other words I’m not up on what everyone is believeing as far as Christian Denominations.

God Bless, Gary
Hello Gary… I have read your posts in the past and think you are a very knowledgeable so I will take what you say as truthful… I can honestly say that I never knew that the Church taught that all that is required for salvation is to “confess” that “Jesus is your personal Lord and Savior”? Can you tell me where in the Catechism and which Vatical II Documents I can read?
I thought you had to be Baptized, recieve Holy Communion, and not be in a state of mortal sin at the time of your passing.
 
My problem with the statement is the “MY” part… It seem to be making Jesus belong to me as where we are HIS sheep and belong to him… Does this make since?
This is not saying that you should not have a personal relationship…

Any help would be appreciated

Peace,
DLG
You raise a good point about the “my.” As a former non-Catholic, I noticed that when it came to our “personal relationship with Jesus Christ,” we often placed more emphasis on “personal” than on “Jesus.” Thus we were able to ignore things like Jesus’ emphasis on works/obedience, the fact that he founded a church, etc. Doctrinal issues took second chair to our personal feelings about what we thought Jesus happened to be saying to us right here, right now.

The result, at least for me, was my own imaginary-friend-version of Jesus who had very little to do with the Bible or Tradition. Being a Catholic helps me to have a relationship (especially through the Eucharist) while also being objective about who Jesus actually is and what he truly teaches.
 
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