Jesus as "My personal Lord and Savior"

[DLG123]

Popular theology is lazy these days. Society wants to have free will, but believe in eternal security. These are logical opposites.

Well said… Can you imagine the believers today living back in the first century the threat of being fed to lions? Sola Fide had a different meaning in those days.

DLG

 

[Rightlydivide]

Its a Baptist/evangelical tradition. It is not used in scripture.
So you simply say, “never heard that phrase in scripture, where is it?”
They cannot find it. They make quote John 3:16 or some other passages but none will use that terminology.
As you can tell, it is a source of conflict between some Fundamentalists and other groups like Baptists and Evangelicals.

 

[Sandalwood]

Its a Baptist/evangelical tradition. It is not used in scripture.
So you simply say, “never heard that phrase in scripture, where is it?”
They cannot find it. They make quote John 3:16 or some other passages but none will use that terminology.
As you can tell, it is a source of conflict between some Fundamentalists and other groups like Baptists and Evangelicals.

yeah but you can’t say “never heard that phrase in scripture, where is it?” and not have them come back with “neither is the word ‘Trinity’ or Pope, or all the Marian doctrines, etc, etc, where is that in Scripture?”

you can’t have it both ways.

 

[DLG123]

Its a Baptist/evangelical tradition. It is not used in scripture.
So you simply say, “never heard that phrase in scripture, where is it?”
They cannot find it. They make quote John 3:16 or some other passages but none will use that terminology.
As you can tell, it is a source of conflict between some Fundamentalists and other groups like Baptists and Evangelicals.

Hello RightlyDivided thanks for the post… What is the difference in Fundamentalists and Baptists and Evangelicals? I always thought they were the same. any light you can shed would be great.

Thanks and Peace,
DLG

 

[josephback]

Well said… Can you imagine the believers today living back in the first century the threat of being fed to lions? Sola Fide had a different meaning in those days.

DLG

Thanks. I should have clarified that God’s part of the bargain is garaunteed. The part that isn’t would be our response to God’s grace. Free will is both beautiful and tricky.

I imagine a lot of us today would apostasize at swordpoint/threats of lions. Can only hope that I wouldn’t be one of them.

 

[Kristin234]

@Kristen
Thanks for the reply…
The conversation was in regards to Salvation that this is the ONLY way and my agruement (since his particular church is solo scriptua) that it is not specifically stated in the Bible that this is the only way for salvation. You must do some extrapolating to get to this conclusion in my opinion.

Yes baptism follows but first acceptance of Jesus must occur. It isn’t the other way around. Baptism itself cannot get you saved if you do not believe that Jesus is your savior. So accepting Jesus as your personal savior is the only way to attain salvation…and then everything else follows that.

If you declare with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. For it is with your heart that you believe and are justified, and it is with your mouth that you profess your faith and are saved. As scripture says, anyone who believes in Him will never be put to shame Romans. 10:9-11.

 

[Rightlydivide]

Hello RightlyDivided thanks for the post… What is the difference in Fundamentalists and Baptists and Evangelicals? I always thought they were the same. any light you can shed would be great.

Thanks and Peace,
DLG

Fundamentalists hold to a literal 6 day creation, an innerant Bible, and follow’s the Bible’s teachings on women preachers and so forth.
Evangelicals might…and they might not.
Many Fundamentalists are indeed Baptist but often (Fundamentalist Baptists) will hold extrabiblical views about something they call a sinners prayer and the topic you brought up.

 

[Protector]

… He said “So your Catholic? You know that wont get you saved. The only way to be saved is to have Jesus as your personal Lord and Savior.” My reply was “You know that the Bible never uses that phrase. Not to say it is not somewhat scriptural but I dont believe it is in there anywhere.” I dont remember ever reading this in the NT am I wrong on this? Any help would be appreciated.
Peace, DLG

You are quite right in part DLG123; the Bible does not use that phrase, but it makes the same statement using other words viz, *“Neither is there salvation in any other. For there is no other name under heaven given to men, whereby we must be saved.” * Acts 4:12 Douay-Rheims Holy Bible.

Protector.

 

[Rightlydivide]

You are quite right in part DLG123; the Bible does not use that phrase, but it makes the same statement using other words viz, *“Neither is there salvation in any other. For there is no other name under heaven given to men, whereby we must be saved.” * Acts 4:12 Douay-Rheims Holy Bible.

Protector.

No. It does not make the same statement. This verse does not reflect the same use of words. Its a man made tradition and millions of people believe asking Jesus to be their personal savior will get them to heaven. But the Bible never says that.

 

[Protector]

No. It does not make the same statement. This verse does not reflect the same use of words. Its a man made tradition and millions of people believe asking Jesus to be their personal savior will get them to heaven. But the Bible never says that.

Very true Rightlydivide, but what I meant was, in essence, saying that, “The only way to be saved is to have Jesus as your personal Lord and Savior,” is the same as quoting Acts 4:12, because there truly is, *"…no other name under heaven given to men, whereby we must be saved." Acts 4:12 Douay-Rheims *

 

[minkymurph]

MinkyMurph
Very well stated… Thank you for the (name removed by moderator)ut.

Peace
DLG

I would also like to add to my post that Catholics (and other Protestant denominations for that matter) don’t have children baptized simply to avoid hell. Christianity is about much more than avoiding hell. All the other aspects I referred to in my post are just as important in terms of salvation as believing you are pre-destined, (saved) or have a personal relationship with Jesus.

Being baptized or ‘saved’ does not mean you can rest on you’re laurels, and no further effort is required because you’ve ‘got you’re spot’ in heaven and no matter what else you do, you’re in.

 

[FromTheAshes777]

I agree with you 100%. I cannot speak on behalf of non-Catholics,but for many Catholics I believe their faith is superficial and barely touches the surface. Many simply go through the “motions” of being Catholic and believe that is sufficient. :ehh:uch:

Trust me, every faith community that I have ever encountered has a good number of them. I have been one of these types before and try my hardest not to be one anymore, so I do not judge these people, at least they are in the pews.

I would dare say though they are the majority, which is sad and frightening. People who want to pick out one particular church/faith community and say they have the most of these types need to remove the plank from their own eye before removing the speck from their neighbor’s eye.

I never ever try to deny the fact that there are a lot of lapsed Catholics out there when I engage in apologetics. I try to charitably point out that there are plenty of lapsed protestants out there too and that all churches have this problem, not just the Catholic Church as some would try to argue when they knock on your front door.

 

[Kristin234]

Trust me, every faith community that I have ever encountered has a good number of them. I have been one of these types before and try my hardest not to be one anymore, so I do not judge these people, at least they are in the pews.

I would dare say though they are the majority, which is sad and frightening. People who want to pick out one particular church/faith community and say they have the most of these types need to remove the plank from their own eye before removing the speck from their neighbor’s eye.

I never ever try to deny the fact that there are a lot of lapsed Catholics out there when I engage in apologetics. I try to charitably point out that there are plenty of lapsed protestants out there too and that all churches have this problem, not just the Catholic Church as some would try to argue when they knock on your front door.

:yup: They are everywhere. The Orthodox church that most of my family goes to has a lot of them…it is funny because the ones who say “oh this and this person isn’t a real Christian they just go through the motions” are exactly like them. There are also a lot of people who go to my church that are like that too. You will find people like this anywhere

 

[Jedimonk]

It’s not that easy, at least as a Baptist. I had to have counsel with my preacher and Sunday school teacher to make sure I understood what I was doing (kind of like a CCD class type of thing). Then I had to be Baptised. I also had communion. At that point, I do believe I could truly say He was my personal Lord AND SAVIOR. I had, with full knowledge, accepted what Jesus Christ did for me on the Cross and with His Resurrection. I mean, He was always my Savior, but I didn’t have the action of my accepting what He did for me, repenting of my sins, and my living a full life in His Saving Grace. I think I am not saying this very well, I hope you can understand what I’m trying to say!!!

It’s not like I was walking down the street and ‘boom!’ automatic ticket because I said He’s my Savior.

Does this make sense?

Your experience does not represent the whole of Protestantism. Many, many, many Protestants teach and believe that you must only pray the “Sinner’s Prayer” to be saved. This prayer is typically repenting for sins, acknowledging Christ as the Savior and “inviting Him into your heart.”

That’s it. Baptism comes later. The traditions that I was raised in made no claims that Baptism was remotely connected to Salvation. Baptism was simply an outward sign of our conversion.

 

[valentino]

Of course we believe Jesus is our Savior.Who did he think we thought saves us?

 

[Kristin234]

Your experience does not represent the whole of Protestantism. Many, many, many Protestants teach and believe that you must only pray the “Sinner’s Prayer” to be saved. This prayer is typically repenting for sins, acknowledging Christ as the Savior and “inviting Him into your heart.”

That’s it. Baptism comes later. The traditions that I was raised in made no claims that Baptism was remotely connected to Salvation. Baptism was simply an outward sign of our conversion.

My church believes the baptism is necessary because Christ commanded it. The only thing is that you need to repent first and acknowledge him as your savior then you get baptized, but we do see it simply as an outward sign of our conversion. Your actual conversion is when you receive the Holy Spirit by accepting Christ as Lord and Savior and repenting.

We believe that you should be baptized because in Acts it says repent and be baptized. We don’t believe that it is connected to salvation because Paul himself said that he was not sent to baptize but to preach the gospel. If baptism was necessary for salvation then Paul would have found it necessary to baptize and preach the gospel.

The Holy Spirit is received before you get baptized. In Acts 10 it says the the Holy Spirit came on all who heard the message and then they got baptized. Peter ordered the baptism of those who had already received the Holy Spirit.

That’s why we see it the way we do

 

[DLG123]

My church believes the baptism is necessary because Christ commanded it. The only thing is that you need to repent first and acknowledge him as your savior then you get baptized, but we do see it simply as an outward sign of our conversion. Your actual conversion is when you receive the Holy Spirit by accepting Christ as Lord and Savior and repenting.

We believe that you should be baptized because in Acts it says repent and be baptized. We don’t believe that it is connected to salvation because Paul himself said that he was not sent to baptize but to preach the gospel. If baptism was necessary for salvation then Paul would have found it necessary to baptize and preach the gospel.

The Holy Spirit is received before you get baptized. In Acts 10 it says the the Holy Spirit came on all who heard the message and then they got baptized. Peter ordered the baptism of those who had already received the Holy Spirit.

That’s why we see it the way we do

Doesn’t the Holy Spirit decend in the form of a Dove AFTER Jesus is Baptized?
Luke 3:21-22
21 After all the people had been baptized and Jesus also had been baptized and was praying, heaven was opened 22 and the holy Spirit descended upon him in bodily form like a dove. And a voice came from heaven, "You are my beloved Son; with you I am well pleased

In the same Chapter of Act it says this…
Acts 10:36-38
You know the word (that) he sent to the Israelites as he proclaimed peace through Jesus Christ, who is Lord of all, 37 what has happened all over Judea, beginning in Galilee after the baptism that John preached, 38 how God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the holy Spirit and power. He went about doing good and healing all those oppressed by the devil, for God was with him.

I uess it can be done either way?

Peace
DLG

 

[mackbrislawn]

Thanks for the post… Thats is kinda what I was trying to get across is that the Personal part takes the dominate role as opposed to the Lord and Savior part. Very good post

Thanks again and Peace
DLG

What I have noticed about use of the phrase “my personal Lord and Savior,” is that it often gets shortened to “my personal Savior”! “Savior” gets emphasized and “Lord” gets forgotten!

So, let us shorten it the other way, and say, “my personal Lord.” What is “Lord”? Well, lord is someone you obey. Therefore, when you accept Jesus as your personal Lord, you are promising personally to obey Him. However, that part seems to be mostly ignored by those who spout that they have accepted Jesus as their “personal Lord and Savior”!

The full phrase is “personal Lord and Savior.” Jesus must be your Lord first before He can be your savior. He cannot be your savior unless He is first your lord. And, His being your lord means your doing the works He has commanded you. Hence, imbedded in the very terminology of “Lord and Savior,” is the acknowledgement of the necessity of works.

It seems to me then, that many people have a very superficial and shallow understanding of their own phraseology.

 

[josephback]

Many Fundamentalists are indeed Baptist but often (Fundamentalist Baptists) will hold extrabiblical views about something they call a sinners prayer and the topic you brought up.

Does anyone know the history of the Sinner’s Prayer? Wikipedia only does a halfway job in this article:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sinner%27s_prayer

Suffice to say I prayed it six times (although I was already baptized as a baby, no one explained this to me), could never feel assurance, and found out the thing is only a FEW HUNDRED YEARS old Really we need to get educated people!

 

[josephback]

Usually this phrase is used in conjunction with the connotation that all you need is a direct line to Jesus. You do not need “organized religion” or a church to be saved.

God bless the Church! I wouldn’t know what to do without it! Had enough of this “personal” bs. We need community!